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Post by Mary on Apr 17, 2015 5:07:41 GMT -5
If you believe in exorcism Nathan, why do you not attend a church that believes in it?
Paul did not just speak in a known language. He said though I speak with the tongues of men and angels, (a known language and a spiritual language).
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 17, 2015 5:08:32 GMT -5
Let us go by what Narrele wrote And this is VERY disturbing for a teenager to write before she killed herself.Narelle had written in a note, mentioning Kurt Cobain (killed himself in 1993) had influence, the weeks before she killed herself in 1994. She wrote " Satan, I need help, I want to SERVE you, and be a Devil worshipper, God is DEAD and no one cares. I am planning to Kill myself Tuesday. When I die, let me be a devil, or a demon and Destroy everyone who hurts me. I might have a séance and try to communicate with Kurt Corbain. I Love him. When I die, can I meet him, please. I need to. Let me be a devil or demon, please Satan. I love you." The high school student, Narelle wrote on her arm "Kurt Corbain is a legend." www.votisalive.com/print/3173 Nathan., - Let's see what else Narrele said : The Daily Telegraph Mirror Wed, Nov.1 1995 (Pg 20) - "Fear of church led children to suicide."
Coroner Jacinta Heffy stated that Narrele's and Stephen's fear of attending a religious camp (convention, Nathan, -convention as we know the term) was "uppermost in the children's minds and was the immediate motivation behind the joint suicide" The children were due to attend a 4 day camp (convention, Nathan, -convention as we know the term) being held by their mother's nameless, non-denominational Christian group the next day. They were only 14 & 12 years old, Nathan!
They took their father's rifle & put the gun in their mouths & shot themselves.
Narrele shot herself first & Stephen reloaded the gun & shot himself in his mouth. 14 & 12 years old! Now that we are hearing more & more stories of child sex abuse taking place, -who knows what those two may have went through at previous "camps" (convention, Nathan, -convention as we know the term)
Exactly DMG !
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Post by maryhig on Apr 17, 2015 5:29:42 GMT -5
The works of the flesh Nathan. Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. ' The fruit of the spirit. Galatians 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. Do you not feel though that the works of the flesh are done through letting Satan into your heart? I feel that Satan is the cause of hatred etc. So if we let Satan in our hearts then we can't inherit God's kingdom in our hearts as that's where his kingdom is in earth! Jesus said the kingdom of God is within you. We have a choice everyday, if we choose to sin, we wont receive Christ and we won't inherit Gods Holy Spirit!
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Post by bubbles on Apr 17, 2015 7:22:32 GMT -5
I think you are over reacting. Seriously I dont know your son. I cant imagine the connection. I was trying to help you understand how sexual perversion works. I wasnt talking about mental illness. I will delete the post. You have taken my words the wrong way. Completely. I could very well be "over reacting."
When you have known from the time your son was two years old that your son was having problems,- when you went all over the country to so many doctors you can't remember them all, -had him on so many different medications you can't remember them all, -you can get kind of touchy at times.
I'm sorry, I know you didn't mean anything "mean" by your post. Bubbles, -I very much doubt you have even one small "mean bone" in your whole body! I'm Sorry.
Awww..D..I dont know what to say. Thank you. I am very sorry for what you have had to endure. I couldnt imagine how difficult that would have been for you. We love our children so much and when something is wrong we feel it. So poignantly. Im sending you a big hug. I will try to be more sensitive. Thank you for your kind words.
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Post by rational on Apr 17, 2015 8:20:39 GMT -5
Why don't you get in contact with their parents Nathan, ask them what their view is on you saying Narelle was possessed ! Once again you have gone off what you think you know ! Let us go by what Narrele wrote And this is VERY disturbing for a teenager to write before she killed herself.Narelle had written in a note, mentioning Kurt Cobain (killed himself in 1993) had influence, the weeks before she killed herself in 1994. She wrote " Satan, I need help, I want to SERVE you, and be a Devil worshipper, God is DEAD and no one cares. I am planning to Kill myself Tuesday. When I die, let me be a devil, or a demon and Destroy everyone who hurts me. I might have a séance and try to communicate with Kurt Corbain. I Love him. When I die, can I meet him, please. I need to. Let me be a devil or demon, please Satan. I love you." The high school student, Narelle wrote on her arm "Kurt Corbain is a legend." www.votisalive.com/print/3173 NathanB, have you ever worked with teenagers? Read a little about teen angst.
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Post by snow on Apr 17, 2015 12:55:33 GMT -5
Nathan., - Let's see what else Narrele said : The Daily Telegraph Mirror Wed, Nov.1 1995 (Pg 20) - "Fear of church led children to suicide."
Coroner Jacinta Heffy stated that Narrele's and Stephen's fear of attending a religious camp (convention, Nathan, -convention as we know the term) was "uppermost in the children's minds and was the immediate motivation behind the joint suicide" The children were due to attend a 4 day camp (convention, Nathan, -convention as we know the term) being held by their mother's nameless, non-denominational Christian group the next day. They were only 14 & 12 years old, Nathan!
They took their father's rifle & put the gun in their mouths & shot themselves.
Narrele shot herself first & Stephen reloaded the gun & shot himself in his mouth. 14 & 12 years old! Now that we are hearing more & more stories of child sex abuse taking place, -who knows what those two may have went through at previous "camps" (convention, Nathan, -convention as we know the term)
I don't know too many kids raising in the truth hate going to conventions. I believe Narrele is the 1st case that I know of killing herself out of hundreds thousands, but knowing her background she was having serious problems. If they don't like it then they leave after they moved out from their parents, nobody is in their right mind kill themselves just for NOT wanting going to convention.Every one reacts to things differently Nathan. How you would react isn't a precondition for how others react. I hated going to convention and no, I didn't kill myself. But then I wasn't sexually abused at convention. If I had been who knows what I might have done. I dreaded it enough and was forced to attend. If I was afraid along with that hate of convention it is conceivable I would have tried to find a way out too. Their method was extreme which tells me their situation was extreme, at least in their minds. For you to say that they were possessed by demons is nothing but an insult and a way of negating their experience. As Rational suggested, read a bit about teen angst and don't presume to know about teenagers just because you were one once. Obviously we all were one once and I can bet that none of us had an identical experience.
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Post by snow on Apr 17, 2015 13:15:15 GMT -5
Every one reacts to things differently Nathan. How you would react isn't a precondition for how others react. I hated going to convention and no, I didn't kill myself. But then I wasn't sexually abused at convention. If I had been who knows what I might have done. I dreaded it enough and was forced to attend. If I was afraid along with that hate of convention it is conceivable I would have tried to find a way out too. Their method was extreme which tells me their situation was extreme, at least in their minds. For you to say that they were possessed by demons is nothing but an insult and a way of negating their experience. As Rational suggested, read a bit about teen angst and don't presume to know about teenagers just because you were one once. Obviously we all were one once and I can bet that none of us had an identical experience. When I was in the work I saw kids, teenagers raising in the truth, many love going to convention with their parents and those who didn't, they usually leave the 2x2 group right after they leave home. Some returned after tasted the world and felt it didn't offer them much joy, satisfaction like the prodigal son. They show much love and respect for the faith in God, they had been raised in than ever. One of my companions was that prodigal son.
So those who don't love convention and will kill themselves to avoid it are somehow possessed by demons? Or could it be avoidance of CSA?
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Post by emy on Apr 17, 2015 14:52:16 GMT -5
Coroner Jacinta Heffy stated that Narrele's and Stephen's fear of attending a religious camp ...was "uppermost in the children's minds and was the immediate motivation behind the joint suicide"
How was that determined by a CORONER after the deaths? No doubt she did an investigation, but what was said and by whom to make this the reality? Do the children's parents believe this? Is it a fact or a supposition that they were sexually abused?
Nate is quoting words Narelle wrote when she was alive. I think praying to Satan to help her and make her a demon would put her at very great risk. Unless you believe Satan has no power or doesn't exist.
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Post by bubbles on Apr 17, 2015 15:15:17 GMT -5
The works of the flesh Nathan. Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. ' The fruit of the spirit. Galatians 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. Do you not feel though that the works of the flesh are done through letting Satan into your heart? I feel that Satan is the cause of hatred etc. So if we let Satan in our hearts then we can't inherit God's kingdom in our hearts as that's where his kingdom is in earth! Jesus said the kingdom of God is within you. We have a choice everyday, if we choose to sin, we wont receive Christ and we won't inherit Gods Holy Spirit! Our flesh when tempted leads us to sin. Lets take adultry. It can begin with someone seducing a person over time with words. The seed is planted in their mind. I wont repent for anything until im convicted by the holy spirit. That is the correct time for repentance. Some christians will tell others openly. ' YOU are a sinner you need to repent.'if a person repents to please another person then that often is ineffective. They turn around and do it again. With true repentance there is evidence of the fruit of repentance which is the person doesnt ever fall like that again. That is the reason I would not tell anyone to repent. Bible says we are to resist the devil ad he will flee from us. There is only one unforgivable sin. Blaspheming the holy spirit. Sin will always be a part of our lives. I think the only reason a person allowed satan to enter their heart would be if they openly became a satanist. I think that is forgivable too. Becoming a satanist isnt IMO blaspheming the holy spirit. Ive known satanist who came to christ. Also known murders, thieves, gang members who vomited up blood because of canabalisim in their ancestory when they had deliverance. These wild people become beautiful heart changed individuals because of Christ. What happens when people are prayed for there is a transferance of gods power from one to another. The kingdom of god from one person to another and that is how the process of laying on of hands works. Luke 10:9 Matt8:28 As for the reasons that happens. (Becoming a satanist) My opinion is that god is a god of mercy and knows all things. He knows what hurts us and breaks us. He can heal any wound. I think I just knocked over much of my needed talkin quota for the day..lol
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 17, 2015 15:39:40 GMT -5
Nathan., - Let's see what else Narrele said : The Daily Telegraph Mirror Wed, Nov.1 1995 (Pg 20) - "Fear of church led children to suicide."
Coroner Jacinta Heffy stated that Narrele's and Stephen's fear of attending a religious camp (convention, Nathan, -convention as we know the term) was "uppermost in the children's minds and was the immediate motivation behind the joint suicide" The children were due to attend a 4 day camp (convention, Nathan, -convention as we know the term) being held by their mother's nameless, non-denominational Christian group the next day. They were only 14 & 12 years old, Nathan!
They took their father's rifle & put the gun in their mouths & shot themselves.
Narrele shot herself first & Stephen reloaded the gun & shot himself in his mouth. 14 & 12 years old! Now that we are hearing more & more stories of child sex abuse taking place, -who knows what those two may have went through at previous "camps" (convention, Nathan, -convention as we know the term)
I don't know too many kids raising in the truth hate going to conventions. I believe Narrele is the 1st case that I know of killing herself out of hundreds thousands, but knowing her background she was having serious problems. If they don't like it then they leave after they moved out from their parents, nobody is in their right mind kill themselves just for NOT wanting going to convention. You personally knew her background, Nathan? How well did you know her ? Were you actually in that area & knew her and her brother Stephen, and their parents?
They were only 14 & 12 years old, - leaving home was not an option.
What happened at that convention that would be so terrible that children would kill themselves rather than to go there?
Some people might think that she influenced her younger brother, -but remember she killed herself first, then Stephen had to take gun from her dead body, and reload it before he could shoot himself. For a 12 year old that would be show quite a lot of determination.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 17, 2015 15:43:57 GMT -5
NathanB, have you ever worked with teenagers? Read a little about teen angst. Yes, I was a teenager once so I know what they are going through. When I was in the work we talked, listen to their problems, struggles, etc. I have a 18 yrs old son. He said "work" with teenagers! We ALL were teenagers once.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 17, 2015 15:58:58 GMT -5
So Nathan that proves what exactly ? It proves Satan was/is her god and master. She wanted to be one of his demons. She wanted to be with Satan and her rock idol Kurt Corbin, leader of the Rock band music, forever after death. That is serious stuff. Satan granted her wish gladly. God doesn't want to force anyone to love Him. People are free to choose who they want to serve to be with Satan or Him for eternity
Why did she want to want to "be one of his demons?" "Satan, I need help, I want to SERVE you, and be a Devil worshipper, God is DEAD and no one cares. I am planning to Kill myself Tuesday. When I die, let me be a devil, or a demon and Destroy everyone who hurts me. I might have a séance and try to communicate with Kurt Corbain. I Love him. When I die, can I meet him, please. I need to. Let me be a devil or demon, please Satan. I love you."
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 17, 2015 16:12:02 GMT -5
Do you not feel though that the works of the flesh are done through letting Satan into your heart? I feel that Satan is the cause of hatred etc. So if we let Satan in our hearts then we can't inherit God's kingdom in our hearts as that's where his kingdom is in earth! Jesus said the kingdom of God is within you. We have a choice everyday, if we choose to sin, we wont receive Christ and we won't inherit Gods Holy Spirit! Our flesh when tempted leads us to sin. Lets take adultry. It can begin with someone seducing a person over time with words. The seed is planted in their mind. I wont repent for anything until im convicted by the holy spirit. That is the correct time for repentance. Some christians will tell others openly. ' YOU are a sinner you need to repent.'if a person repents to please another person then that often is ineffective. They turn around and do it again. With true repentance there is evidence of the fruit of repentance which is the person doesnt ever fall like that again. That is the reason I would not tell anyone to repent. Bible says we are to resist the devil ad he will flee from us. There is only one unforgivable sin. Blaspheming the holy spirit. Sin will always be a part of our lives. I think the only reason a person allowed satan to enter their heart would be if they openly became a satanist. I think that is forgivable too. Becoming a satanist isnt IMO blaspheming the holy spirit. Ive known satanist who came to christ. Also known murders, thieves, gang members who vomited up blood because of canabalisim in their ancestory when they had deliverance. These wild people become beautiful heart changed individuals because of Christ. What happens when people are prayed for there is a transferance of gods power from one to another. The kingdom of god from one person to another and that is how the process of laying on of hands works. Luke 10:9 Matt8:28 As for the reasons that happens. (Becoming a satanist) My opinion is that god is a god of mercy and knows all things. He knows what hurts us and breaks us. He can heal any wound. I think I just knocked over much of my needed talkin quota for the day..lol When one thinks about that one unforgivable sin, Blaspheming ,- it seems interesting that god gives people "free will" but not "free speech!
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 17, 2015 16:35:04 GMT -5
When one thinks about that one unforgivable sin, Blaspheming ,- it seems interesting that god gives people "free will" but not "free speech!
Jesus said there is free speech in his kingdom but there is a limitation so, don't cross over the line of Blasphemy! against the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 12:31-32 The Unpardonable Sin
Jesus said in Matt. 12:31-32 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come." Yes, Yes! I know all that scripture, Nathan!
Still I think that it is odd to give people "free will" to do as they want but by they can't have "free speech!"
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Post by xna on Apr 17, 2015 16:44:57 GMT -5
When one thinks about that one unforgivable sin, Blaspheming ,- it seems interesting that god gives people "free will" but not "free speech!
Good point. Also NO free thought - thought sins "... Matt 5:28 "but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
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Post by maryhig on Apr 17, 2015 17:33:12 GMT -5
Our flesh when tempted leads us to sin. Lets take adultry. It can begin with someone seducing a person over time with words. The seed is planted in their mind. I wont repent for anything until im convicted by the holy spirit. That is the correct time for repentance. Some christians will tell others openly. ' YOU are a sinner you need to repent.'if a person repents to please another person then that often is ineffective. They turn around and do it again. With true repentance there is evidence of the fruit of repentance which is the person doesnt ever fall like that again. That is the reason I would not tell anyone to repent. Bible says we are to resist the devil ad he will flee from us. There is only one unforgivable sin. Blaspheming the holy spirit. Sin will always be a part of our lives. I think the only reason a person allowed satan to enter their heart would be if they openly became a satanist. I think that is forgivable too. Becoming a satanist isnt IMO blaspheming the holy spirit. Ive known satanist who came to christ. Also known murders, thieves, gang members who vomited up blood because of canabalisim in their ancestory when they had deliverance. These wild people become beautiful heart changed individuals because of Christ. What happens when people are prayed for there is a transferance of gods power from one to another. The kingdom of god from one person to another and that is how the process of laying on of hands works. Luke 10:9 Matt8:28 As for the reasons that happens. (Becoming a satanist) My opinion is that god is a god of mercy and knows all things. He knows what hurts us and breaks us. He can heal any wound. I think I just knocked over much of my needed talkin quota for the day..lol When one thinks about that one unforgivable sin, Blaspheming ,- it seems interesting that god gives people "free will" but not "free speech!
We are given free will and freedom of speech. But, we are judged on both!
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 17, 2015 17:52:12 GMT -5
So, dmg and xna... Do you think we have a free speech in this free country of America and can do anything as we pleased? Even If a person making threats against the president of the USA. Will he/she get arrested for his/her free speech against the president of USA.Yes, Yes! I know all that scripture, Nathan!
Still I think that it is odd to give people "free will" to do as they want but by they can't have "free speech!"
You can have free speech in America but if someone threaten to harm or kill the President of the USA with your free speech amendment, then the Secret Service agents will come and knocking at your door! ASAP and lock him/her up for a long time. And indeed I do know that also , Nathan, just as I know the scripture you were posting .
I was speaking about what is claimed by Christianity, Nathan, -not the governing of the USA.
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Post by Greg on Apr 17, 2015 18:33:00 GMT -5
Legend tells of demons taking R&R in the minds of fanatics. For their own grins and giggles they will make their host proclaim outrageous claims of what demons do and control. The reasons they do this is to make their existence seem less true to many and to hide their true agenda, which is Supposedly their true agenda is known by few, but impossible to make known. The demons know how to control all communication of their true agenda. Neither written nor pictorial nor verbal nor sign language nor any other means has been able to convey the true agenda of the demons. The demons are even able to erase memories of such knowledge and communications.
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Post by bubbles on Apr 17, 2015 18:45:43 GMT -5
Our flesh when tempted leads us to sin. Lets take adultry. It can begin with someone seducing a person over time with words. The seed is planted in their mind. I wont repent for anything until im convicted by the holy spirit. That is the correct time for repentance. Some christians will tell others openly. ' YOU are a sinner you need to repent.'if a person repents to please another person then that often is ineffective. They turn around and do it again. With true repentance there is evidence of the fruit of repentance which is the person doesnt ever fall like that again. That is the reason I would not tell anyone to repent. Bible says we are to resist the devil ad he will flee from us. There is only one unforgivable sin. Blaspheming the holy spirit. Sin will always be a part of our lives. I think the only reason a person allowed satan to enter their heart would be if they openly became a satanist. I think that is forgivable too. Becoming a satanist isnt IMO blaspheming the holy spirit. Ive known satanist who came to christ. Also known murders, thieves, gang members who vomited up blood because of canabalisim in their ancestory when they had deliverance. These wild people become beautiful heart changed individuals because of Christ. What happens when people are prayed for there is a transferance of gods power from one to another. The kingdom of god from one person to another and that is how the process of laying on of hands works. Luke 10:9 Matt8:28 As for the reasons that happens. (Becoming a satanist) My opinion is that god is a god of mercy and knows all things. He knows what hurts us and breaks us. He can heal any wound. I think I just knocked over much of my needed talkin quota for the day..lol When one thinks about that one unforgivable sin, Blaspheming ,- it seems interesting that god gives people "free will" but not "free speech!
Heres the thing. Blaspheming speaking evil, insulting towards god? I dont think it means that. I think it would be more say someone who has known the holy spirit, seen him move in power, touching peoples hearts changing lives. Then for that person to turn away from the lord and speak untruths and lies and curse. I dont think a non believer could blaspheme and suffer the consequences because an unbeliever wouldnt understand the holy spirit. Then theres the concept of 'speaking'. When god spoke. It was so. When man speaks he can curse or bless with his mouth. The spoken word is powerful either way. Cursing brings you down. Blessing encourages you.
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Post by xna on Apr 17, 2015 18:50:01 GMT -5
So, dmg and xna... Do you think we have a free speech in this free country of America and can do anything as we pleased? This is my understanding of exceptions to free speech under USA law en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptionsThere is an interesting distinction between; exceptions to free speech, and blasphemy. Let say you go in your home alone, shut the door, then break all of the exceptions to free speech. Are you guilty of any crime? Then you say; there are no gods. Are you guilty of blasphemy? There are no limitations to free thought in USA law.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 17, 2015 19:14:26 GMT -5
Coroner Jacinta Heffy stated that Narrele's and Stephen's fear of attending a religious camp ...was "uppermost in the children's minds and was the immediate motivation behind the joint suicide"How was that determined by a CORONER after the deaths?
No doubt she did an investigation, but what was said and by whom to make this the reality? Do the children's parents believe this? Is it a fact or a supposition that they were sexually abused? Nate is quoting words Narelle wrote when she was alive. I think praying to Satan to help her and make her a demon would put her at very great risk. Unless you believe Satan has no power or doesn't exist. Emy, good question. The same thought came to me about what proof that the coroner had for her statement. I don't know to research it.
In the article, nothing is said about what their mother but I thought their father made a stange statement! He said, the children were merely bored, not afraid of the church group.. He said, "I think that they got carried away,...they may have thought they could get back from heaven."
As far as being sexually abused, it isn't a fact as far as I know. I don't know much more then what we see in the newspaper, -although Cherie may have more information.
No, I don't believe that "praying to Satan to help her and make her a demon would put her at very great risk."
When I first read what you said, I thought that you had meant that because she was "praying to Satan to help her and make her a demon", that it indicated that she had a severe mental illness and at risk of suicide.
I don't think Satan has any power because I don't think that Satan exists.
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Post by Greg on Apr 17, 2015 19:25:07 GMT -5
Legend tells of demons taking R&R in the minds of fanatics. For their own grins and giggles they will make their host proclaim outrageous claims of what demons do and control. The reasons they do this is to make their existence seem less true to many and to hide their true agenda, which is Supposedly their true agenda is known by few, but impossible to make known. The demons know how to control all communication of their true agenda. Neither written nor pictorial nor verbal nor sign language nor any other means has been able to convey the true agenda of the demons. The demons are even able to erase memories of such knowledge and communications. Hey! I did not write that!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 20:26:55 GMT -5
The Unforgiveable Sin. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, yes? Just what is that?
When one denies the Holy Spirit as God, how, why should they ever expect to be forgiven, as that is the very means by which forgiveness is given and received. No, I don't even expect non-believers to comprehend this nor understand it. Let such party on in a dream world of non-belief. Not for me.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 17, 2015 20:43:02 GMT -5
Nathan., - Let's see what else Narrele said : The Daily Telegraph Mirror Wed, Nov.1 1995 (Pg 20) - "Fear of church led children to suicide."
Coroner Jacinta Heffy stated that Narrele's and Stephen's fear of attending a religious camp (convention, Nathan, -convention as we know the term) was "uppermost in the children's minds and was the immediate motivation behind the joint suicide" The children were due to attend a 4 day camp (convention, Nathan, -convention as we know the term) being held by their mother's nameless, non-denominational Christian group the next day. They were only 14 & 12 years old, Nathan!
They took their father's rifle & put the gun in their mouths & shot themselves.
Narrele shot herself first & Stephen reloaded the gun & shot himself in his mouth. 14 & 12 years old! Now that we are hearing more & more stories of child sex abuse taking place, -who knows what those two may have went through at previous "camps" (convention, Nathan, -convention as we know the term)
I don't know too many kids raising in the truth hate going to conventions. I believe Narrele is the 1st case that I know of killing herself out of hundreds thousands, but knowing her background she was having serious problems. If they don't like it then they leave after they moved out from their parents, nobody is in their right mind kill themselves just for NOT wanting going to convention.Here you go again Nathan ! Just because you are not aware of kids raised in the "Truth" that don't want to go to Convention does not mean there are not ! A lot of kids were too scared to say they didn't want to go & were forced to go. How do you know her background Nathan ? Did you know her personally, do you know her parents ? Do you know the worker that was in that area who has since been charged for CSA ? This is another example of you making a statement about something you know nothing about!
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 17, 2015 20:51:35 GMT -5
So those who don't love convention and will kill themselves to avoid it are somehow possessed by demons? Or could it be avoidance of CSA? I only know, heard and read of two cases of sexual abused at conventions Bob W. and the boy in Alaska convention. I heard and know of only 2 Henderson teenagers killed themselves to avoid going convention because they want to serve Satan and be his demons. According to demon-possessed girl in Germany 1980s she hated to be around holy relics, churches, or anything to do with God. Those who are NOT born again are already under the control of Satan, and the demons. Satan and his demons will get them, one way or another because they belong to the gods of this world.Well Nathan this proves that you make statements without finding the facts out first, " you only know, heard & read of two cases of sexual abuse at Convention" Wow, wake up Nathan ! So anyone that has been abused at Convention is going to come & tell you are they Nathan !!!
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Post by xna on Apr 17, 2015 21:13:25 GMT -5
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Post by bubbles on Apr 17, 2015 22:30:11 GMT -5
Legend tells of demons taking R&R in the minds of fanatics. For their own grins and giggles they will make their host proclaim outrageous claims of what demons do and control. The reasons they do this is to make their existence seem less true to many and to hide their true agenda, which is Supposedly their true agenda is known by few, but impossible to make known. The demons know how to control all communication of their true agenda. Neither written nor pictorial nor verbal nor sign language nor any other means has been able to convey the true agenda of the demons. The demons are even able to erase memories of such knowledge and communications. Hey! I did not write that!! Haha@you. Who did then? I didnt think it sounded like you Greg.
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Post by bubbles on Apr 17, 2015 22:37:56 GMT -5
Haha@you. Who did then? I didnt think it sounded like you Greg. haha.... the Devil made him do it.Lol.. Why does this remind me of the chatroom?
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