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Post by snow on Apr 16, 2015 16:39:20 GMT -5
I think maybe this board is demon-possessed. Quick, where are the pigs?! What in the world do people have against pigs!!! Jesus was mean to send all those demons into those poor unsuspecting innocent pigs! Where were the Animal Rights people I say!!!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 16, 2015 18:04:33 GMT -5
I have heard that about the Bible's, translation from others maybe I'm wrong I will check! Sky wouldn't be used in the place of heaven, if you know God then you will know what's right on your heart, and when you read the Bible you can discern what's right! Given the hundreds of different meanings that have been given to biblical verses it would seem that most people most people don't know god. How do people determine if they are the 'right' ones? Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye word of god that be above the heavensDoesn't sound right either. i know what it means
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2015 20:08:36 GMT -5
What is it about "mental illness" that it is the last of the diseases that people want to claim as being from "demonic bondage ?" At different times in history, many diseases were thought to be due to "demonic bondage." Why is it that "mental illness" is still believed to be caused by "demons?"
People right here on TMB keep saying, "take you medicine, -don't stop taking your medicine," all the while acting as if "mental illness" is due to "demons!"
Is it because that it affects our "mind" & therefore we think that we are in control of our minds or should be control of our minds and if not, it is "demon" causing it? Is that the reason that the last of our organs, the brain, is considered to be in "demon bondage?"
Whereas, if it were our liver, our heart, our bladder, our lungs, etc.,- we would not think that it was "demon" related!" Can't we understand that our "brain" is an organ just as is our lungs and that our mind has physical function as does our lungs etc.? Your twisting the lemon D Where did I say that? Today I was remembering a few people with mental illness on meds and none were told to stop taking them . Dont mix my words up with anyone elses. My advice if you really want to know this subject is take yourself along to a local church that ministers in the power of the holy spirit. Bubbles you did state that, "Demons are real they do affect peoples lives.
You did say, "For some reason on TMB the argument against demonic bondage seem to only be about mental illness. What about all the others? Il brain storm..."
What did you meant by, "Il(?) brain storm.."
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2015 20:31:13 GMT -5
Of course some mentally ill people with schizophrenia report hearing or seeing "demonic voices or faces!" How else would they describe their hallucinations ? Do YOU actually believe that they DO see and hear "demons?"
schizophrenia Definition By Mayo Clinic
Schizophrenia is a severe brain disorder in which people interpret reality abnormally. Schizophrenia may result in some combination of hallucinations, delusions, and extremely disordered thinking and behavior.
Contrary to popular belief, schizophrenia isn't a split personality or multiple personality. The word "schizophrenia" does mean "split mind," but it refers to a disruption of the usual balance of emotions and thinking.
Schizophrenia is a chronic condition, requiring lifelong treatment.
Hmmm. "A disruption of the usual balance of emotions and thinking. " We all have days like that! "Schizophrenia is a chronic condition, requiring lifelong treatment."
To say "We all have days like that!" doesn't understand the problems facing a person that has to deal with a chronic disease. Schizophrenia is a chronic condition.
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Post by bubbles on Apr 16, 2015 20:31:44 GMT -5
I don't need to read or study any newer translations at all, they are all taken from the king James! I have a feeling that this is not the case.How do you know what the correct translation should be? Unless you know ancient greek, sumarian and phoenician ya stuffed really arent you. We have to rely on english because that is the interpretation.
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Post by bubbles on Apr 16, 2015 20:34:22 GMT -5
I think maybe this board is demon-possessed. Quick, where are the pigs?! What in the world do people have against pigs!!! Jesus was mean to send all those demons into those poor unsuspecting innocent pigs! Where were the Animal Rights people I say!!! These days they have cute little pigs as house guests. Very clean animals apparently.
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Post by xna on Apr 16, 2015 20:39:10 GMT -5
If you have the time (2hrs 47 min), a classic; The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark - Carl Sagan youtu.be/Py52GgxxfkA
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Post by bubbles on Apr 16, 2015 20:45:46 GMT -5
Your twisting the lemon D Where did I say that? Today I was remembering a few people with mental illness on meds and none were told to stop taking them . Dont mix my words up with anyone elses. My advice if you really want to know this subject is take yourself along to a local church that ministers in the power of the holy spirit. Bubbles you did state that, "Demons are real they do affect peoples lives.
You did say, "For some reason on TMB the argument against demonic bondage seem to only be about mental illness. What about all the others? Il brain storm..."
What did you meant by, "Il(?) brain storm.."
Brain storm is put my thinking cap on and real quick try to remember the list to give the answer im looking for From experience. Using my mind my brain. The thing is I wasnt thinking about mental illness I was thinking of what I had witnessed. Ive seen quite a bit watching as part of a local church and then in the ministry when people need prayer. I generally refer back to my life experience as a christian. I knew someone with schizophrenia. One of my close friends suffered shocking depression where she struggled to get out of bed. Few months later shes right as rain. Within a yr wallop shes down again. If you knew her life story. Im surprised shes lived through it. She explained about chemical imbalance.
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Post by bubbles on Apr 16, 2015 20:50:39 GMT -5
I have heard that about the Bible's, translation from others maybe I'm wrong I will check! Sky wouldn't be used in the place of heaven, if you know God then you will know what's right on your heart, and when you read the Bible you can discern what's right! Given the hundreds of different meanings that have been given to biblical verses it would seem that most people most people don't know god. How do people determine if they are the 'right' ones? Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye word of god that be above the heavensDoesn't sound right either. It wont sound right to you because you dont believe in a heaven. There are 3 heavens so it does make sense.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2015 21:15:52 GMT -5
I find it disgusting, rude, unfeeling and simply without any compassion of to state that a family member of mine has any connection what-so-ever with any demon-possession...!
You know nothing of his struggles! You know nothing about his ADHD, his BIPOLAR, his problems trying to live in a world that is viewed by some people like you who consider him possessed with "demons!" You know absolutely nothing about the fact that he showed symptoms of mental illness from the time he was born!
I find it absolutely appalling and disgusting! I resent very much that just because he has a mental illness that you consider him possessed by demons!
I dont see anywhere nate mentioned a family member D.? Post by NathanB on yesterday at 14:30
"Mental illness, and sexual perversion have SOME connection with demon-possession... "
Did he not include everyone with mental illness, including my son, -in this statement by saying, "Mental illness,has SOME connection with demon-possession? "
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2015 21:22:00 GMT -5
Bubbles you did state that, "Demons are real they do affect peoples lives.
You did say, "For some reason on TMB the argument against demonic bondage seem to only be about mental illness. What about all the others? Il brain storm..."
What did you meant by, "Il(?) brain storm.."
Brain storm is put my thinking cap on and real quick try to remember the list to give the answer im looking for From experience. Using my mind my brain. The thing is I wasnt thinking about mental illness I was thinking of what I had witnessed. Ive seen quite a bit watching as part of a local church and then in the ministry when people need prayer. I generally refer back to my life experience as a christian. I knew someone with schizophrenia. One of my close friends suffered shocking depression where she struggled to get out of bed. Few months later shes right as rain. Within a yr wallop shes down again. If you knew her life story. Im surprised shes lived through it. She explained about chemical imbalance. Not IF, I HAVE have heard many such life stories like hers.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2015 21:42:24 GMT -5
I don't need to read or study any newer translations at all, they are all taken from the king James! Some have even translated heaven to sky! Regardless of which version we have, The Spirit in our hearts will tell us what's right and wrong, and my heart tells me it's wrong to say sick people are possessed by demons! Here is a brief, very brief, list of translations of the bible.
Fourteenth Century 1300-1399 c. 1380 John Wycliffe's Bible. First English translation of the Bible. c. 1388 John Purvey's revision of Wycliffe's Bible into more idiomatic English.Fifteenth Century 1400-1499 1455 - Gutenberg Bible published - First Bible printed using movable type. Sixteenth Century 1500-1599 1509 - King Henry VIII ascends the throne. 1516 - Desiderius Erasmus' Greek/Latin Novum Instrumentum New Testament published - Later editions would be utilized by early translators. 1522 - Martin Luther's Das Neue Testament Deůtzsch published. 1525 - William Tyndale's printing of the New Testament (in English, from Erasmus' third edition) in the city of Cologne is terminated in a raid by Catholic authorities. Tyndale evades capture but loses a portion of his work. 1526 - William Tyndale's translation of the New Testament from the Greek successfully published at Worms. 1530 - William Tyndale's translation of the Pentateuch from the Hebrew published.
1534 - Martin Luther's complete Bible, Biblia das ist die gantze Heilige Schrifft Deudsch published 1534 - William Tyndale's translation of New Testament from the Greek published (first revision). 1535 - William Tyndale's translation of New Testament from the Greek published (second revision). 1535 - Myles Coverdale's version of the Bible. First complete Bible printed in English. 1536 - Death of William Tyndale - 6 October 1536 (Executed by strangling and burning at the stake.) 1537 - Thomas Matthew Bible published. Combination of Tyndale's and Coverdale's translations. 1539 - Great Bible published. 1547 - King Edward VI ascends the throne. 1553 - Queen Mary ascends the throne. 1557 - William Whittingham translation of the New Testament published (Whittingham also worked on the Geneva Bible). 1558 - Queen Elizabeth I ascends the throne. 1560 - Geneva Bible published. 1568 - Bishops' Bible published. 1569 - Death of Myles Coverdale - 20 January 1569 1582 - Rheims New Testament published. 1589 - First edition William Fulke's "confutation" of the Rheims New Testament. Contains the Bishops' Bible in parallel with the Rheims New Testament. (Later editions published in 1601, 1617, and 1633). Seventeenth Century 1600-1699 1603 - King James I ascends the throne. 1609 - Douay Old Testament volume 1 published. 1610 - Douay Old Testament volume 2 published. 1611 - Authorized Version of the Bible published. (Also known as the King James Version). 1625 - King Charles I ascends the throne. 1649 - Execution of King Charles I, beginning of Commonwealth. 1653 - Henry Hammond's A Paraphrase, and Annotations Upon all the Books of The New Testament published.
1660 - Restoration of King Charles II. 1663 - First Bible printed in America by John Eliot - a translation into Algonquian, a Native American Language. 1684 - Woodhead, Walker & Allestrey's A Paraphrase and Annotations upon All the Epistles of St Paul published. 1685 - King James II ascends the throne. 1689 - William & Mary ascend the throne. Eighteenth Century 1700-1799
1702 - Queen Anne ascends the throne. 1714 - King George I ascends the throne. 1718 - The New Testament Of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, Newly Translated out of the Latin Vulgat by Cornelius Nary published.
1727 - King George II ascends the throne. 1729 - Daniel Mace translation of the New Testament published with a revised Greek text.
1743 - First American Bible in a European Language (German) by Christoph Saur. 1745 - William Whiston's Primitive New Testament published. 1749 - Bishop Challoner's first revision of the Rheims New Testament published.
1750 - Bishop Challoner's first revision of the Douay Old Testament published. 1755 - John Wesley's Explanatory Notes upon the New Testament published. 1760 - King George III ascends the throne. 1764 - Anthony Purver's translation of the Bible published.
1776 - United States Declaration of Independence 1777 - First publication of the King James Version New Testament in America.
1782 - First publication of the King James Version Bible in America.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2015 21:48:52 GMT -5
Post by NathanB on yesterday at 14:30
"Mental illness, and sexual perversion have SOME connection with demon-possession... "
Did he not include everyone with mental illness, including my son, -in this statement by saying, "Mental illness,has SOME connection with demon-possession? "
I cant answer for nate.D have you heard the story of the guy that was a serial rapist on death row. We saw his video when we were youth leaders. As a child he was exposed to porn. He then began to perve women at night sneaking into their houses watching them undress then it went further to becoming a rapist and serial killer. Ted Bundy. This would be a classic case of evil spirits operating in a persons life. He raped and murdered 35 women. Bubbles, how dare you include TED BUNDY in any post that we have been talking about that includes my son!
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Post by bubbles on Apr 16, 2015 22:27:18 GMT -5
I cant answer for nate.D have you heard the story of the guy that was a serial rapist on death row. We saw his video when we were youth leaders. As a child he was exposed to porn. He then began to perve women at night sneaking into their houses watching them undress then it went further to becoming a rapist and serial killer. Ted Bundy. This would be a classic case of evil spirits operating in a persons life. He raped and murdered 35 women. Bubbles, how dare you include TED BUNDY in any post that we have been talking about that includes my son!
I think you are over reacting. Seriously I dont know your son. I cant imagine the connection. I was trying to help you understand how sexual perversion works. I wasnt talking about mental illness. I will delete the post. You have taken my words the wrong way. Completely.
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Post by bubbles on Apr 16, 2015 22:35:33 GMT -5
When you look at indigineous tribes around the earth and most gods that are worshiped it includes evil spirits. On that note. I suggest we drop this subject. I dont want people hurt by anything I say on here. It is never my intention to offend.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 16, 2015 22:58:26 GMT -5
Post by NathanB on yesterday at 14:30
"Mental illness, and sexual perversion have SOME connection with demon-possession... "
Did he not include everyone with mental illness, including my son, -in this statement by saying, "Mental illness,has SOME connection with demon-possession? "
If your son had some of these signs then he was demon possessed. If he didn't then he had just a regular mental illness and need to take and stay on his medications.
Descriptions of demonic possessions often include erased memories or personalities, convulsions, "fits" and fainting as if one were dying. Other descriptions include access to hidden knowledge (gnosis) and foreign languages (glossolalia), drastic changes in vocal intonation and facial structure, the sudden appearance of injuries (scratches, bite marks) or lesions, and superhuman strength. Unlike in channeling or other forms of possession, the subject has no control over the possessing entity and so it will persist until forced to leave the victim, usually through a form of exorcism. www.demonic.name/demonic-possession/Here is a basic list of some of these kinds of demons:Lust, Fornication, Adultery, Pornography, Pedophilia Rape, Incest, Homosexuality, Transvestism, Transsexuality Sexual Orgies, Wife swapping, Prostitution, Bestiality, Sadomasochism Here are some of the main function names of the demons who specialize in this kind of extreme evil activity:Murder, Hate, Rage, Anger, Violence, Death, Revenge, Destruction, Darkness, Suicide, Abortion, Jealousy, Sadism, Fighting, The Occult, Lust, Pride, Mental Health, Unforgiveness, Sickness, Different Kinds of Vices, False Religions Fortunetelling – of any kind such as palm reading , crystal ball gazing, numerology, or seeing psychics. Tarot Cards, Ouija Boards and Automatic Writing, Seances and any involvement with mediums or spiritists. Astrology and any form of horoscopes, Hypnotism, Transcendental Meditation or any type of Far Eastern Meditation. Crystals, Witchcraft, Satanism, Voodoo, Channeling, Reincarnation, Astral Projection, ESP Dungeons and Dragons – role-playing games. New Age Movement techniques and activities. www.bible-knowledge.com/different-kinds-of-demonic-spirits/ ~~ When a person is NOT born again by God's Spirit he/she is already part of Satan's kingdom/slaves on earth. He/she needs to be deliverance from Satan's hold on them. The nonbelievers belong to Satan because he is god of this earth/world.Nathan, please give up while you are ahead ! The statement you have made above about DMG's son is wrong ! How dare you assume to know this ! It reminds me of your view on the Henderson children & saying Narelle was demon possessed ! Do some study on Mental Illness, then come back with your opinions. You have no idea, you have never suffered from depression or lived with a person with Bi-polar !
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 16, 2015 23:00:20 GMT -5
When you look at indigineous tribes around the earth and most gods that are worshiped it includes evil spirits. On that note. I suggest we drop this subject. I dont want people hurt by anything I say on here. It is never my intention to offend. I think Nathan needs to do some study on mental illness before he makes anymore statements, also I hope he has taken down the rubbish on his web site about the Henderson children !
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Post by bubbles on Apr 16, 2015 23:22:26 GMT -5
When you look at indigineous tribes around the earth and most gods that are worshiped it includes evil spirits. On that note. I suggest we drop this subject. I dont want people hurt by anything I say on here. It is never my intention to offend. I think Nathan needs to do some study on mental illness before he makes anymore statements, also I hope he has taken down the rubbish on his web site about the Henderson children ! I havent been to nates website. I also dont read every post. Who are the henderson children. I live in oz but dont know many friends here.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 17, 2015 1:25:05 GMT -5
So you still have it on there Nathan ! Wow if that is an example of your research & your views on mental illness are an example of your research I think you need to do more !!!
You have stated something about people you don't even know & a situation you don't know !
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Post by maryhig on Apr 17, 2015 1:49:25 GMT -5
I don't need to read or study any newer translations at all, they are all taken from the king James! Some have even translated heaven to sky! Regardless of which version we have, The Spirit in our hearts will tell us what's right and wrong, and my heart tells me it's wrong to say sick people are possessed by demons! Here is a brief, very brief, list of translations of the bible.
Fourteenth Century 1300-1399 c. 1380 John Wycliffe's Bible. First English translation of the Bible. c. 1388 John Purvey's revision of Wycliffe's Bible into more idiomatic English.Fifteenth Century 1400-1499 1455 - Gutenberg Bible published - First Bible printed using movable type. Sixteenth Century 1500-1599 1509 - King Henry VIII ascends the throne. 1516 - Desiderius Erasmus' Greek/Latin Novum Instrumentum New Testament published - Later editions would be utilized by early translators. 1522 - Martin Luther's Das Neue Testament Deůtzsch published. 1525 - William Tyndale's printing of the New Testament (in English, from Erasmus' third edition) in the city of Cologne is terminated in a raid by Catholic authorities. Tyndale evades capture but loses a portion of his work. 1526 - William Tyndale's translation of the New Testament from the Greek successfully published at Worms. 1530 - William Tyndale's translation of the Pentateuch from the Hebrew published.
1534 - Martin Luther's complete Bible, Biblia das ist die gantze Heilige Schrifft Deudsch published 1534 - William Tyndale's translation of New Testament from the Greek published (first revision). 1535 - William Tyndale's translation of New Testament from the Greek published (second revision). 1535 - Myles Coverdale's version of the Bible. First complete Bible printed in English. 1536 - Death of William Tyndale - 6 October 1536 (Executed by strangling and burning at the stake.) 1537 - Thomas Matthew Bible published. Combination of Tyndale's and Coverdale's translations. 1539 - Great Bible published. 1547 - King Edward VI ascends the throne. 1553 - Queen Mary ascends the throne. 1557 - William Whittingham translation of the New Testament published (Whittingham also worked on the Geneva Bible). 1558 - Queen Elizabeth I ascends the throne. 1560 - Geneva Bible published. 1568 - Bishops' Bible published. 1569 - Death of Myles Coverdale - 20 January 1569 1582 - Rheims New Testament published. 1589 - First edition William Fulke's "confutation" of the Rheims New Testament. Contains the Bishops' Bible in parallel with the Rheims New Testament. (Later editions published in 1601, 1617, and 1633). Seventeenth Century 1600-1699 1603 - King James I ascends the throne. 1609 - Douay Old Testament volume 1 published. 1610 - Douay Old Testament volume 2 published. 1611 - Authorized Version of the Bible published. (Also known as the King James Version). 1625 - King Charles I ascends the throne. 1649 - Execution of King Charles I, beginning of Commonwealth. 1653 - Henry Hammond's A Paraphrase, and Annotations Upon all the Books of The New Testament published.
1660 - Restoration of King Charles II. 1663 - First Bible printed in America by John Eliot - a translation into Algonquian, a Native American Language. 1684 - Woodhead, Walker & Allestrey's A Paraphrase and Annotations upon All the Epistles of St Paul published. 1685 - King James II ascends the throne. 1689 - William & Mary ascend the throne. Eighteenth Century 1700-1799
1702 - Queen Anne ascends the throne. 1714 - King George I ascends the throne. 1718 - The New Testament Of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, Newly Translated out of the Latin Vulgat by Cornelius Nary published.
1727 - King George II ascends the throne. 1729 - Daniel Mace translation of the New Testament published with a revised Greek text.
1743 - First American Bible in a European Language (German) by Christoph Saur. 1745 - William Whiston's Primitive New Testament published. 1749 - Bishop Challoner's first revision of the Rheims New Testament published.
1750 - Bishop Challoner's first revision of the Douay Old Testament published. 1755 - John Wesley's Explanatory Notes upon the New Testament published. 1760 - King George III ascends the throne. 1764 - Anthony Purver's translation of the Bible published.
1776 - United States Declaration of Independence 1777 - First publication of the King James Version New Testament in America.
1782 - First publication of the King James Version Bible in America.It doesn't matter how many translations there are, my God is a living God, and he gives us his spirit to show us in our hearts what's right and wrong in any Bible! And sky isn't a good translation of heaven, neither vapour for water! Nor many other things that sound so wrong in these translations! I quite like William Tyndale's new testament, I have that one, (apparently his life was made hard and he was executed because he translated the Bible) that's so sad! You've also missed one! George lamsa's pesh-ta Bible! Taken from the aramaic texts, that's a good one too. Although he has got some bits wrong also. It's great for reading in a clearer English. Although I only use it as a reference! I only really read the kjv!
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 17, 2015 2:08:59 GMT -5
So you still have it on there Nathan ! Wow if that is an example of your research & your views on mental illness are an example of your research I think you need to do more !!! You have stated something about people you don't even know & a situation you don't know ! So, tell us something that we don't know about Henderson case.Why don't you get in contact with their parents Nathan, ask them what their view is on you saying Narelle was possessed ! Once again you have gone off what you think you know !
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 17, 2015 3:12:38 GMT -5
So Nathan that proves what exactly ?
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Post by Mary on Apr 17, 2015 3:27:53 GMT -5
Some of those things you mentioned above Nathan are works of the flesh. There is the world, the flesh and the devil but you attribute everything to the devil. The Bible does not say everything we do 'wrong' is the devil. It is sin, the flesh. Fornication, adultery etc are works of the flesh. That also depends on the culture you are in too. Some cultures have more than one wife which cannot be classed as a sin. In your case, Solomon must have had a lot of devils in him with all those wives. Paul also must have had a demon according to you because he spoke in tongues as did many others in the Bible.
As medication helps in a lot of cases it shows that it has a genetic cause not a demon. A flaw in a person's genetic makeup not the devil. If someone you know had depression would you say he had a demon or would you look at genetic causes? If you had a bad heart would you say you have a demon or a physical complaint?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 17, 2015 3:40:43 GMT -5
Bubbles, how dare you include TED BUNDY in any post that we have been talking about that includes my son!
I think you are over reacting. Seriously I dont know your son. I cant imagine the connection. I was trying to help you understand how sexual perversion works. I wasnt talking about mental illness. I will delete the post. You have taken my words the wrong way. Completely. I could very well be "over reacting."
When you have known from the time your son was two years old that your son was having problems,- when you went all over the country to so many doctors you can't remember them all, -had him on so many different medications you can't remember them all, -you can get kind of touchy at times.
I'm sorry, I know you didn't mean anything "mean" by your post. Bubbles, -I very much doubt you have even one small "mean bone" in your whole body! I'm Sorry.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 17, 2015 4:00:18 GMT -5
I think you are over reacting. Seriously I dont know your son. I cant imagine the connection. I was trying to help you understand how sexual perversion works. I wasnt talking about mental illness. I will delete the post. You have taken my words the wrong way. Completely. I could very well be "over reacting."
When you have known from the time your son was two years old that your son was having problems,- when you went all over the country to so many doctors you can't remember them all, -had him on so many different medications you can't remember them all, -you can get kind of touchy at times.
I'm sorry, I know you didn't mean anything "mean" by your post. Bubbles, -I very much doubt you have even one small "mean bone" in your whole body! I'm Sorry.
This is why I don't think it's right saying people who are ill have demons! A 2 year old is innocent. I think it's a terrible thing to say! My heart goes out to you DMG, it sounds like you've been through a lot. I totally understand why you would get upset by some of the comments here. I've been upset also, I've helped look after family members with dementia, one in my family is suffering with this illness now and we all take turns to look after her. But bubbles is a softy, as you know and I can't see her intending to hurt anyone. I don't see sickness as demonic possession, if anyone is going down that road, then they should be looking at child abusers and wicked cruel hearts etc. Not sick people!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 17, 2015 4:16:01 GMT -5
1) Mary wrote: Some of those things you mentioned above Nathan are works of the flesh. There is the world, the flesh and the devil but you attribute everything to the devil. ~~ Satan is the god of this earth/world. He is into everything you can think of in the world, and every sexual sins there are. He runs the world we live in. He deceives the whole world.I look at it like this:- Spiritual Heart disorder Wickedness, being spiteful, hatred, hardness, cruelty. Etc. As letting Satan in your heart and living it out! Physical heart disorder, Heart attack, faulty valve etc. Spiritual brain disorder Letting Satan in, wicked thoughts, cruel thoughts, hateful thoughts, selfishness etc. And not stopping them and letting them fester! Physical brain disorder Any physical illness associated with the brain Both totally different! Illness is not demonic possession!
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 17, 2015 4:46:42 GMT -5
Why don't you get in contact with their parents Nathan, ask them what their view is on you saying Narelle was possessed ! Once again you have gone off what you think you know ! Let us go by what Narrele wrote And this is VERY disturbing for a teenager to write before she killed herself.Narelle had written in a note, mentioning Kurt Cobain (killed himself in 1993) had influence, the weeks before she killed herself in 1994. She wrote " Satan, I need help, I want to SERVE you, and be a Devil worshipper, God is DEAD and no one cares. I am planning to Kill myself Tuesday. When I die, let me be a devil, or a demon and Destroy everyone who hurts me. I might have a séance and try to communicate with Kurt Corbain. I Love him. When I die, can I meet him, please. I need to. Let me be a devil or demon, please Satan. I love you." The high school student, Narelle wrote on her arm "Kurt Corbain is a legend." www.votisalive.com/print/3173 Nathan., - Let's see what else Narrele said : The Daily Telegraph Mirror Wed, Nov.1 1995 (Pg 20) - "Fear of church led children to suicide."
Coroner Jacinta Heffy stated that Narrele's and Stephen's fear of attending a religious camp (convention, Nathan, -convention as we know the term) was "uppermost in the children's minds and was the immediate motivation behind the joint suicide" The children were due to attend a 4 day camp (convention, Nathan, -convention as we know the term) being held by their mother's nameless, non-denominational Christian group the next day. They were only 14 & 12 years old, Nathan!
They took their father's rifle & put the gun in their mouths & shot themselves.
Narrele shot herself first & Stephen reloaded the gun & shot himself in his mouth. 14 & 12 years old! Now that we are hearing more & more stories of child sex abuse taking place, -who knows what those two may have went through at previous "camps" (convention, Nathan, -convention as we know the term)
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Post by Mary on Apr 17, 2015 5:02:07 GMT -5
The works of the flesh Nathan.
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. '
The fruit of the spirit.
Galatians 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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