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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 22:48:53 GMT -5
According to my observation God and Christ are in control most of the time. God allowed men follies to encourage us to trust more in His guidance. trouble is not all see that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 22:50:26 GMT -5
Well, that is NOT universal practice... Most meeting places in USA the guest non-2x2 believers can speak and partake the emblems if they wish for awhile, but after so many months they must declare if this is the fellowship they want to be part of. Well alrighty, then! After a few months Christ would have to declare that He wanted to be a part of the 2x2 fellowship by professing through the Workers. Lord knows they wouldn't recognize Him on His own. why? and why?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 22:54:33 GMT -5
LUKE 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. So.....if He shows up carrying a sword, and without a garment, He might be accepted, right? it shall also be also noted that we are to obey the law of the land and those with a lamb nature they wouldn't dream of carrying an offensive weapon and don't forget do in Rome as the Romans do
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 22:55:51 GMT -5
John wrote in I John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but test the spirits whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. Here's my test Nathan: and what do you mean
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 22:57:39 GMT -5
Let's put it this way: If Christ showed up at a meeting, He'd be required to profess through a Worker before He'd be allowed to speak and partake of the emblems. He'd have to get a haircut, too. And stop wearing those floor-length evening gowns. why would He need a hair cut?
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Post by whyisitso on Mar 31, 2015 0:13:59 GMT -5
I am not aware of that practice either; my understanding is that one cannot even partake of the emblems until they have been baptised; when I myself was baptised the brother worker who baptised me said to me, you can now partake of the emblems. When I professed I was told that I was free to pray and speak in meetings. In the US people visiting meetings for the first time may take part not realizing it's not appropriate. From my experience, meeting folks don't mind. I know of a visitor who took part for a while until she was told by an elderly (not active) worker to stop. I don't think anyone else minded her taking part, even appreciated it and were touched by it. Of course, there was an expectation that she would profess. Also one can partake of emblems before they are baptized. I assume that in yours and Fred's part of the world visitors are not allowed in Sunday and Wednesday meetings? Visitors are allowed but you have to 'word them up' before you go. It would not be the done thing for them to take part. I can almost see the flock squirming in their seats
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Post by maryhig on Mar 31, 2015 2:29:12 GMT -5
In the US people visiting meetings for the first time may take part not realizing it's not appropriate. From my experience, meeting folks don't mind. I know of a visitor who took part for a while until she was told by an elderly (not active) worker to stop. I don't think anyone else minded her taking part, even appreciated it and were touched by it. Of course, there was an expectation that she would profess. Also one can partake of emblems before they are baptized. I assume that in yours and Fred's part of the world visitors are not allowed in Sunday and Wednesday meetings? That was my situation, Maja... the workers allowed me to partake the emblems because I didn't know the rules... little by little the Spirit revealed to me about these things... Looking back from the experience the workers were very wise! in handling my situation. I would have been offended if they told me I wasn't saved and not part of the fellowship so I shouldn't partake the emblems. I would be out of the door so fast! Let the Spirit teaches people about these things. Trust the Spirit and wait patiently. Don't count the chickens before it hatches.
God's timing is perfect every time! human's timing sometimes is too soon, and too early...
The spirit teaches me that you don't have to be in a certain religion to enter in. You have to believe and follow Jesus! God doesn't see religion, he sees the heart! And those who love him and follow his son! There may be someone far more worthy than me that doesn't come to our meetings. So I can't judge, only God can do that!
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Post by maryhig on Mar 31, 2015 2:47:35 GMT -5
The spirit teaches me that you don't have to be in a certain religion to enter in. You have to believe and follow Jesus! God doesn't see religion, he sees the heart! And those who love him and follow his son! There may be someone far more worthy than me that doesn't come to our meetings. So I can't judge, only God can do that! Your understanding is different than from mine.... After 5000 and 3000 people converted to Christ.... The apostles didn't tell them go back to your own religion, or join the Pharisees, or Sadducee group, etc. The Bible tells us they join and had fellowship with the apostles and other believers in Acts 2:41-42 Then those who gladly received his words were baptized, and that same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in the breaking of bread and in prayers.
Jesus said in John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold. Them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice; and there shall be one fold and one Shepherd.
Nathan, can you read what I wrote again please, I said those that believe and follow Jesus. I'm talking about they that are following Christ not like the pharasees at all! What I'm saying is you don't have to follow Jesus in a religion. You can follow him and love God from your heart! I'm talking about organised religion. Not about the men of God like Paul etc. They didn't follow the traditions of men. They followed Jesus and loved God with all their heart! The fellowship are all that follow Jesus and are at fellowship with him and God and his people not just those of one religion!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 4:14:05 GMT -5
I am not aware of that practice either; my understanding is that one cannot even partake of the emblems until they have been baptised; when I myself was baptised the brother worker who baptised me said to me, you can now partake of the emblems. When I professed I was told that I was free to pray and speak in meetings. In the US people visiting meetings for the first time may take part not realizing it's not appropriate. From my experience, meeting folks don't mind. I know of a visitor who took part for a while until she was told by an elderly (not active) worker to stop. I don't think anyone else minded her taking part, even appreciated it and were touched by it. Of course, there was an expectation that she would profess. Also one can partake of emblems before they are baptized. I assume that in yours and Fred's part of the world visitors are not allowed in Sunday and Wednesday meetings? The occasional visitor may attend a Sunday or a Wednesday night meeting; that visitor,usually from overseas, may be a member of the family or close friend/ guest of one of the professing friends who attends meetings. Partaking of the emblems before baptism is definitely not allowed, so this is an example of the non universal practice within the fellowship.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 4:23:31 GMT -5
According to my observation God and Christ are in control most of the time. God allowed men follies to encourage us to trust more in His guidance. trouble is not all see that Yep, and to many, seeing is believing, eh!
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Post by Greg on Mar 31, 2015 4:54:37 GMT -5
Depends what you mean by "involved." If you think Jesus must appear in person at every church for every service
... then then let us all know what church you attend.
But if Christ is involved through obedience to the scripture and to the spirit, then I would say yes, Christ IS involved in most things in the ministry.
And the corollary, is Christ involved in mainstream churches? I would say that if He is, then He must be quite schizophrenic. my question was in answer to this statement [In the 2x2 group, the ministry maintains control.] funny thing is who controls the ministry? Self-policed. Should have an "Internal Affairs Bureau". The policing type,
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Post by mdm on Mar 31, 2015 9:17:05 GMT -5
In the US people visiting meetings for the first time may take part not realizing it's not appropriate. From my experience, meeting folks don't mind. I know of a visitor who took part for a while until she was told by an elderly (not active) worker to stop. I don't think anyone else minded her taking part, even appreciated it and were touched by it. Of course, there was an expectation that she would profess. Also one can partake of emblems before they are baptized. I assume that in yours and Fred's part of the world visitors are not allowed in Sunday and Wednesday meetings? Not exactly 'not allowed', but certainly actively discouraged. Ok. Our friends in Scotland were surprised when we told them we attended meetings as visitors for a long time before we professed.
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Post by mdm on Mar 31, 2015 9:31:28 GMT -5
In the US people visiting meetings for the first time may take part not realizing it's not appropriate. From my experience, meeting folks don't mind. I know of a visitor who took part for a while until she was told by an elderly (not active) worker to stop. I don't think anyone else minded her taking part, even appreciated it and were touched by it. Of course, there was an expectation that she would profess. Also one can partake of emblems before they are baptized. I assume that in yours and Fred's part of the world visitors are not allowed in Sunday and Wednesday meetings? That was my situation, Maja... the workers allowed me to partake the emblems because I didn't know the rules... little by little the Spirit revealed to me about these things... Looking back from the experience the workers were very wise! in handling my situation. I would have been offended if they told me I wasn't saved and not part of the fellowship so I shouldn't partake the emblems. I would be out of the door so fast! Let the Spirit teaches people about these things. Trust the Spirit and wait patiently. Don't count the chickens before it hatches.
God's timing is perfect every time! human's timing sometimes is too soon, and too early...I don't agree that people interested in meetings should not be told that they are seen as "not saved" if they are really seen that way. If what it takes for them to profess is to come to the conclusions they are "not saved" and if professing is seen by f&w as the way to heaven, why not be upfront about such an important detail? I understood that I was seen by f&w's as an outsider and possibly not saved, but I wasn't offended and didn't run away. I agree that most people would be though. Still, if that piece of information is such an important part of the Gospel, why keep it a secret?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 9:36:18 GMT -5
That was my situation, Maja... the workers allowed me to partake the emblems because I didn't know the rules... little by little the Spirit revealed to me about these things... Looking back from the experience the workers were very wise! in handling my situation. I would have been offended if they told me I wasn't saved and not part of the fellowship so I shouldn't partake the emblems. I would be out of the door so fast! Let the Spirit teaches people about these things. Trust the Spirit and wait patiently. Don't count the chickens before it hatches.
God's timing is perfect every time! human's timing sometimes is too soon, and too early...
The spirit teaches me that you don't have to be in a certain religion to enter in. You have to believe and follow Jesus! God doesn't see religion, he sees the heart! And those who love him and follow his son! There may be someone far more worthy than me that doesn't come to our meetings. So I can't judge, only God can do that! To be honest we all make judgments from time to time, man does make outward judgments but a fundamental difference is that while man may judge Unrighteously, God judges righteously, by examining our hearts and by knowing everything about us.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 31, 2015 9:41:53 GMT -5
The spirit teaches me that you don't have to be in a certain religion to enter in. You have to believe and follow Jesus! God doesn't see religion, he sees the heart! And those who love him and follow his son! There may be someone far more worthy than me that doesn't come to our meetings. So I can't judge, only God can do that! To be honest we all make judgments from time to time, man does make outward judgments but a fundamental difference is that while man may judge Unrighteously, God judges righteously, by examining our hearts and by knowing everything about us. Yes partaker your right, I've said that in another post. We definitely aren't good to judging others we judge outwardly. God looks at the heart.
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Post by snow on Mar 31, 2015 10:51:44 GMT -5
There is a lot of discussion over something that is really quite simple. If you are not a professing, baptized by the workers human being then you are going to hell. I know this to be true because I was told this by a worker when I asked why my non professing family were going to hell. So there you go. Nathan is the only one still in the 'way' that is honest about this. Discussion over.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 15:25:32 GMT -5
There is a lot of discussion over something that is really quite simple. If you are not a professing, baptized by the workers human being then you are going to hell. I know this to be true because I was told this by a worker when I asked why my non professing family were going to hell. So there you go. Nathan is the only one still in the 'way' that is honest about this. Discussion over. Please clarify;what do you know to be true. 1. if you are not a professing, baptised, by the workers human being then you are going to hell. You know it to be true because you were told this by a worker, so it must be true what they say?? Or 2, You know it to be true that the workers do make, or have made such a claim. Is Nathan the only one still in the "way" that is honest about what exactly? that workers have made such a claim, or what they claim is true?? ps. Just seeking clarification as I am :)getting a little slow these days.
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Post by Child of God on Mar 31, 2015 15:37:52 GMT -5
Interesting that I have not heard of any workers telling someone they were not saved... in fact I talked to one worker who said he has never told anyone such a thing.
I am not saying none of them do... but not in my circle has anyone heard of that happening. Yes I have seen them come, take part, in testimony and emblems, decide they weren't helping anyone so they left
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Post by snow on Mar 31, 2015 17:09:28 GMT -5
There is a lot of discussion over something that is really quite simple. If you are not a professing, baptized by the workers human being then you are going to hell. I know this to be true because I was told this by a worker when I asked why my non professing family were going to hell. So there you go. Nathan is the only one still in the 'way' that is honest about this. Discussion over. Please clarify;what do you know to be true. 1. if you are not a professing, baptised, by the workers human being then you are going to hell. You know it to be true because you were told this by a worker, so it must be true what they say?? Or 2, You know it to be true that the workers do make, or have made such a claim. Is Nathan the only one still in the "way" that is honest about what exactly? that workers have made such a claim, or what they claim is true?? ps. Just seeking clarification as I am :)getting a little slow these days. no you're not slow partaker, I was likely unclear. It's a bit of all of the above actually. Here is the short form of what happened when I was 12 and quit professing (I hope) My parents, 1 aunt, 1 paternal grandfather and 1 maternal grandmother were the only ones in my family that professed. So I had lots of relatives that I loved dearly that did not profess. I was upset by this because I had learned all my life that in order to go to heaven you needed to be in the Truth. That meant not only my beloved relatives were going to hell, but an awful lot of other really good people were too. This didn't make sense to me as I got older and it didn't seem very fair. I also knew there were not a lot of professing people in the world so I started to conclude that there wouldn't be a lot of people in heaven and an awful lot of people in hell, being tortured for eternity. I also grew up being told that God was all merciful, all loving and all powerful. So I had questions because it meant a lot to me to understand. I asked the workers. They told me all the stuff about how the way is straight and the gates are narrow etc. How God loved everyone but not everyone was willing to live like they should and that was their fault. I just couldn't seem to see how this was right so I kept asking more and more questions. That angered the workers finally and one of them finally told me I was the spawn of the devil. This of course shocked me and scared me. I wasn't meaning to be a problem, I was truly troubled and needed to know why. I was looking for comfort I suppose when I look back on it all. Instead I learned you don't question and that yes, all the 'world' was going to hell unless they professed and were baptized by the workers. That was the only way to be saved. So that answers #1 and #2. #3 about Nathan, he is honest about me not going to heaven when I have asked him outright. He doesn't sugar coat it by saying he isn't God and only God can be the judge. He truly believes if I don't profess and I am not baptized and a member of the Truth that I am not saved. And, he is the only one here that has ever said it straight out like that. There may be others that think it, but he's the only one that has been honest enough to 'put it in writing'. Hopefully that clarifies it better?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 17:55:53 GMT -5
Thank you snow for your patience, now I got it, and I can understand your position clearly. I am sure that a Lot of unfortunate utterances have been made in the past by workers and friends which on hind sight is most regrettable, as words spoken can never be recalled. Some times it is possible to forgive but it is much more difficult to forget, since certain experiences become indelibly printed/impressed on the minds of individuals, a sort of trauma, emotional shock; however time is a great healer that enables us to overcome as we mature. Sorry to hear about your unpleasant experiences, I think they have made you into a more well developed person.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 31, 2015 18:00:42 GMT -5
Please clarify;what do you know to be true. 1. if you are not a professing, baptised, by the workers human being then you are going to hell. You know it to be true because you were told this by a worker, so it must be true what they say?? Or 2, You know it to be true that the workers do make, or have made such a claim. Is Nathan the only one still in the "way" that is honest about what exactly? that workers have made such a claim, or what they claim is true?? ps. Just seeking clarification as I am :)getting a little slow these days. no you're not slow partaker, I was likely unclear. It's a bit of all of the above actually. Here is the short form of what happened when I was 12 and quit professing (I hope) My parents, 1 aunt, 1 paternal grandfather and 1 maternal grandmother were the only ones in my family that professed. So I had lots of relatives that I loved dearly that did not profess. I was upset by this because I had learned all my life that in order to go to heaven you needed to be in the Truth. That meant not only my beloved relatives were going to hell, but an awful lot of other really good people were too. This didn't make sense to me as I got older and it didn't seem very fair. I also knew there were not a lot of professing people in the world so I started to conclude that there wouldn't be a lot of people in heaven and an awful lot of people in hell, being tortured for eternity. I also grew up being told that God was all merciful, all loving and all powerful. So I had questions because it meant a lot to me to understand. I asked the workers. They told me all the stuff about how the way is straight and the gates are narrow etc. How God loved everyone but not everyone was willing to live like they should and that was their fault. I just couldn't seem to see how this was right so I kept asking more and more questions. That angered the workers finally and one of them finally told me I was the spawn of the devil. This of course shocked me and scared me. I wasn't meaning to be a problem, I was truly troubled and needed to know why. I was looking for comfort I suppose when I look back on it all. Instead I learned you don't question and that yes, all the 'world' was going to hell unless they professed and were baptized by the workers. That was the only way to be saved. So that answers #1 and #2. #3 about Nathan, he is honest about me not going to heaven when I have asked him outright. He doesn't sugar coat it by saying he isn't God and only God can be the judge. He truly believes if I don't profess and I am not baptized and a member of the Truth that I am not saved. And, he is the only one here that has ever said it straight out like that. There may be others that think it, but he's the only one that has been honest enough to 'put it in writing'. Hopefully that clarifies it better? Hi Snow, do you think a man can know who is going to heaven? I don't! The reason I say, I'm not God and only God judges, is because how can any man who has sinned say where a person is going when they die? Lots of religions think there way is the only way, but they are wrong. It doesn't say that anywhere in the Bible. It says we're to believe in God and follow Jesus! Jesus went against the Jews because they didn't follow God's ways but they instead followed the traditions of men! And they thought they were right too! John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. He is the way not through a religion or through a man, but through Jesus! A man can only bring God to us, not plan out our destiny! Not one single human being in this earth can know who is going to heaven. Not one! For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3). So we have no right to dare say things like that. Just remember people who say that, are judging others. Judging people they have never met. There is absolutely no way they could possibly know who is worthy in God's eyes! And finally Matt 7 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Those who judge others as being hell bound need to be careful, because they are sinners themselves and God week judge them! God decides who goes where, not man! We just need to get out hearts right whilst were here. And there is no better way of doing that than by letting Gods spirit into our hearts to do his work! Please clarify;what do you know to be true. 1. if you are not a professing, baptised, by the workers human being then you are going to hell. You know it to be true because you were told this by a worker, so it must be true what they say?? Or 2, You know it to be true that the workers do make, or have made such a claim. Is Nathan the only one still in the "way" that is honest about what exactly? that workers have made such a claim, or what they claim is true?? ps. Just seeking clarification as I am :)getting a little slow these days. no you're not slow partaker, I was likely unclear. It's a bit of all of the above actually. Here is the short form of what happened when I was 12 and quit professing (I hope) My parents, 1 aunt, 1 paternal grandfather and 1 maternal grandmother were the only ones in my family that professed. So I had lots of relatives that I loved dearly that did not profess. I was upset by this because I had learned all my life that in order to go to heaven you needed to be in the Truth. That meant not only my beloved relatives were going to hell, but an awful lot of other really good people were too. This didn't make sense to me as I got older and it didn't seem very fair. I also knew there were not a lot of professing people in the world so I started to conclude that there wouldn't be a lot of people in heaven and an awful lot of people in hell, being tortured for eternity. I also grew up being told that God was all merciful, all loving and all powerful. So I had questions because it meant a lot to me to understand. I asked the workers. They told me all the stuff about how the way is straight and the gates are narrow etc. How God loved everyone but not everyone was willing to live like they should and that was their fault. I just couldn't seem to see how this was right so I kept asking more and more questions. That angered the workers finally and one of them finally told me I was the spawn of the devil. This of course shocked me and scared me. I wasn't meaning to be a problem, I was truly troubled and needed to know why. I was looking for comfort I suppose when I look back on it all. Instead I learned you don't question and that yes, all the 'world' was going to hell unless they professed and were baptized by the workers. That was the only way to be saved. So that answers #1 and #2. #3 about Nathan, he is honest about me not going to heaven when I have asked him outright. He doesn't sugar coat it by saying he isn't God and only God can be the judge. He truly believes if I don't profess and I am not baptized and a member of the Truth that I am not saved. And, he is the only one here that has ever said it straight out like that. There may be others that think it, but he's the only one that has been honest enough to 'put it in writing'. Hopefully that clarifies it better?
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Post by Scott Ross on Mar 31, 2015 18:15:36 GMT -5
LUKE 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. So.....if He shows up carrying a sword, and without a garment, He might be accepted, right? Some of Jesus apostles were Zealots they thought they needed swords to fight and overthrow the Romans gov't but their thoughts were incorrect. Jesus came the first time to die for our sins, and be king in our hearts NOT to overthrow the Romans oppression. He taught them his kingdom is NOT of this world, but they continued ignoring his teachings. So, he yielded to their demand that One sword is good enough.
It was Peter's sword that cut off the ears of the servant high priest in the garden, then Jesus told Peter to put it away and he healed the servant's ear.
If Jesus showed up without a garment we would ask him to put on his clothes on before he can speak in our meetings. we don't read anywhere in the book of Acts that the apostles carried any sword because they understood it clearly it was a spiritual kingdom which they were ambassadors to all the world.I think Peter only cut off one ear, not both..... And..... Jesus didn't tell Peter to get rid of his sword, did he? We don't read of any of the Apostles going poop either I don't think, but pretty sure they did. Since most folks in those days probably carried a sword, it wouldn't be a big deal not mentioning it.
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Post by Scott Ross on Mar 31, 2015 18:19:30 GMT -5
LUKE 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. So.....if He shows up carrying a sword, and without a garment, He might be accepted, right? it shall also be also noted that we are to obey the law of the land and those with a lamb nature they wouldn't dream of carrying an offensive weapon and don't forget do in Rome as the Romans do and those with a lamb nature they wouldn't dream of carrying an offensive weaponCould you explain the difference between an offensive sword, and a defensive sword? Since it was clear that Jesus told anyone without a sword to get one, I am wondering about your definition.....
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Post by snow on Mar 31, 2015 18:36:52 GMT -5
Thank you snow for your patience, now I got it, and I can understand your position clearly. I am sure that a Lot of unfortunate utterances have been made in the past by workers and friends which on hind sight is most regrettable, as words spoken can never be recalled. Some times it is possible to forgive but it is much more difficult to forget, since certain experiences become indelibly printed/impressed on the minds of individuals, a sort of trauma, emotional shock; however time is a great healer that enables us to overcome as we mature. Sorry to hear about your unpleasant experiences, I think they have made you into a more well developed person. It's true that it stayed with me for a long time and hurt me as well as shocked me. After all I was quite a serious kid and my beliefs were my life at the time. I wanted to be a worker and I truly thought they were the ones I could go to for anything. I was seriously scared for quite awhile after that, until I decided I needed to rethink it all. Thankfully I was able to do that.
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Post by snow on Mar 31, 2015 18:46:46 GMT -5
maryhig, to answer your question about whether man can tell another man if they are going to heaven, I would have to say 'no'. But then I would say that because I don't think anyone can even know for sure there is a heaven to go to. Or a hell for that matter. I think it's pointless to judge anyone. We have no idea what they are going through. All I care about it trying to walk through life doing the least amount of harm possible. Caring about others, helping if I can and learning how to be as loving as possible. Beyond that I want to learn everything I can possibly learn so I can try and make somewhat informed decisions about things. For me, God, Heaven and Hell just aren't an issue to be concerned about.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 3:28:23 GMT -5
it shall also be also noted that we are to obey the law of the land and those with a lamb nature they wouldn't dream of carrying an offensive weapon and don't forget do in Rome as the Romans do and those with a lamb nature they wouldn't dream of carrying an offensive weaponCould you explain the difference between an offensive sword, and a defensive sword? Since it was clear that Jesus told anyone without a sword to get one, I am wondering about your definition..... where do you carry yours?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 3:32:03 GMT -5
trouble is not all see that Yep, and to many, seeing is believing, eh! the lack of faith
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Post by Scott Ross on Apr 1, 2015 12:11:23 GMT -5
and those with a lamb nature they wouldn't dream of carrying an offensive weaponCould you explain the difference between an offensive sword, and a defensive sword? Since it was clear that Jesus told anyone without a sword to get one, I am wondering about your definition..... where do you carry yours? I carry modern weapons when I carry one. That wasn't the question I asked of you though......
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