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Post by maryhig on Mar 7, 2015 3:34:58 GMT -5
If she is following someone who was with Irvine and Co, would she just say so? I'm not sure her group is a part of Coonyites, but possibly got some of what they believe from him. She states her uncle knew him so it's possible. I think it's interesting. As far as her 'just saying so', that's a question for her, not me. Hiya again, Well apparently yes in Ireland we have been called the coonyites, but I don't know about Ireland but here in Wales we don't call ourselves that; we follow Jesus. But I know and have always known about Edward Cooney and William Irvine (well from when I was older anyway) I've been told more about Edward because it is him who my uncle knew more about. I'll explain what we believe, We believe in one God, The Almighty God. His son Jesus and the holy spirit. We don't believe in the trinity and believe they are all separate but of one heart. This is how they are one, and we can be at one with them when we let God into our hearts We don't believe That it's Jesus' death on cross that saves you, it's his life, by him coming here and baring all the sins the world through satan threw at him and showing love and not sinning. And he tells us to follow. By telling us to take up our cross, deny ourselves and follow him. Which we believe and i believe in my heart to mean dealing with any suffering we have in this world at the hands of men and showing love, deny sins in our hearts and follow him, because he did all this. I don't believe in that in a self righteous way. Because I know the sins of my heart. And without letting God in my heart and following Jesus' life. I would be a totally different person! In the book of James it says," Yea, a man may say, Thou has faith and I have works: Show me thy faith without they works and I will show you my failh by my works." (James chapter 2.)We believe the death on the cross is death to satan in the heart and Jesus denied him to the end of his life, and he can help us do this too, as far as we are willing to go!. We are the shape of the cross. When he says to take up our cross he doesn't mean a wooden one, it's baring the sufferings in this world We believe he fulfilled the scriptures throughout his life and even suffering the death on the cross and still showing love. I feel Romans 6 explains how we believe. (I opened it the other night and thought it show's clearly what we believe} We believe that you have to follow him with free will not having anything forced on you, I've never been forced to do anything I don't want to, we've been told what the bible says is right to do but never been made to do anything. I had a typical childhood, and did the same as all the other kids in my school and loved music and dancing My mum has always advised me to not go to far and has always been there to help me. I went to the meetings of my own free will and anything I have stopped doing has been of my own free will because of my conscience which I believe is the spirit in the heart guiding me through my life. We don't believe in an organization and don't have workers and overseers or elders etc. We are all the same except some are stronger in God than others so we see them as elders in the way of being stronger in God, but they don't call themselves that. We believe that if you are willing, then you follow Jesus as far as you are willing to go, and the more you let God into your heart, the stronger in God you get. We don't believe that you have to hear the word of God through one of our people, we believe God looks at the heart. That he loves us all, and that we live by example, but we can only do this by letting God and Christ in our hearts. We believe that it's through Jesus we are saved, and only God decides who's saved, it's not just the people who believe in our way. We believe in staying humble, as if you go to above yourself then you end up coming first before God. So it's not a good thing to build up, in your life and in your heart. We believe that if you follow Jesus you will follow his commandments to love the lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and your neighbour as yourself. We believe anyone we meet is our neighbour and if they need help we have to help. We believe that by following these 2 commandments you will also follow the 10 in the old testament, because if you love God and your neighbour as yourself, then you will follow those in your heart as well. Our doors are open to everyone, you don't have to be of a certain religion to come. Jesus preached to everyone, whatever they believed in. And you don't have to profess through one of our people. We believe you go to God in your own heart. Jesus even ate and preached in Matthew the tax collectors home, who would have been hated by the jews but Jesus saw him differently. Jesus was accused of eating with sinners, yet this man became on of his apostles! We can never judge anyone and everyone is welcome. I personally dislike saying one person is better than another because we all have faults in one way or another none are perfect so we have no right to judge. I myself am a sinner and it's only the love of God that saves me not anything I do myself, for it is his love in my heart that stops me from sinning. But i still sin everyday, I just try not to purposely and try to listen to my conscience. When I do wrong I prey to God for forgiveness. I don't go to any man for forgiveness. But I do go to people I trust for advice then make my own mind up. We only meet in homes, We read the KJV of the bible and sing from the Hymns old and New. Sorry for the long post but I just thought I would let you know how we believe as people were wondering what we believe in. Mary
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Post by Mary on Mar 7, 2015 4:22:01 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing Maryhig and explaining your beliefs. Great to have a real Cooneyite on here if you don't mind us saying that. The 2x2s don't have a name but people call them that for convenience. I think there is some respect for Edward on here by some. Did you realize that this board was the church which Edward was part of before going out on his own? I met with one of Fred Wood's daughter's in Ireland. She came to the meeting I went to in Enniskillen and stayed on a few days while i stayed there. Patrica Roberts had copies of the book she wrote on The Life and Ministry of Edward Cooney so someone in your church in Ireland will have copies as she was of your fellowship.
Again, great to have you on this board even if we don't agree with some your interpretation of the Bible. A lot of it is similar to the 2x2s we came out of.
Written from my phone so excuse any errors as it's hard writing from a phone.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 7, 2015 4:51:13 GMT -5
Rational we are all Gods children,... I reject that claim unless you have something to substantiate your claim! I love my children, with all my heart and all the same. But if one of my children turned round telling people that they didn't believe in me and said they want to go there own way in life at the same time mocking me and insulting me. I would have to respect that knowing that on the way they may suffer because of the decision they make but I would still have to let them go but always be there for them because I love them. For example, if my son was a soldier and went to war, and had decided he wanted to do it no matter what I thought. And in this war I know that many who go in to join don't come back out. I would be heartbroken and worried but I would still have to let him go knowing the enemy could kill him and take him from me. But he has free will and had to make his own decisions. On the other hand my other children love me and are with me so they see my face daily. And I am able to help them because they are close to me. And I can help to keep them from trouble! I can't do that for my child that's not close to me because they have decided to walk away from me. All of these are still my children and I love them all the same regardless and would just want them all back and close to me.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 7, 2015 4:57:31 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing Maryhig and explaining your beliefs. Great to have a real Cooneyite on here if you don't mind us saying that. The 2x2s don't have a name but people call them that for convenience. I think there is some respect for Edward on here by some. Did you realize that this board was the church which Edward was part of before going out on his own? I met with one of Fred Wood's daughter's in Ireland. She came to the meeting I went to in Enniskillen and stayed on a few days while i stayed there. Patrica Roberts had copies of the book she wrote on The Life and Ministry of Edward Cooney so someone in your church in Ireland will have copies as she was of your fellowship. Again, great to have you on this board even if we don't agree with some your interpretation of the Bible. A lot of it is similar to the 2x2s we came out of. Written from my phone so excuse any errors as it's hard writing from a phone. Thank you Mary, I have asked about Patricia Roberts' book, apparently a couple of people have one, and are going to find me a copy to read. Thanks for telling me about it. It will be interesting!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 5:29:38 GMT -5
Makes the mind boggle. Christians are supposed to be united in Christ but they are divided in the various forms of worship through adopted doctrines. The Anglians broke away from the Roman Catholics, the Metodists broke away from something, the Weslian Holiness broke away from the Metodists, and I believe that the Pilgrim Holiness broke away from the Weslian Holiness, or vice versa. Then they are the various Pentecostalists. The followers of Edward Cooney broke away from the followers if William Irvine; But They all claim to be followers of the ONE JESUS and they claim to believe in One AlMIGHTY GOD. The important thing is that they all gather in the name of Jesus and I believe that He is there in the midst of them all; and God will be the righteous judge when that time of judgment comes. So folks/believers, look after your own salvation with much fear and trembling. Non believes do your own thing; my motto is: LIVE AND LET LIVE, EACH TO HIS/HER OWN. Life can still be beautiful, life is what we make of it folks, make it hard and it will be hard, so make it as soft as is possible and survive as best as you can, accepting and tolerating the things that you are helpless to change and cannot change after trying so to do; if at first you do not succeed, try, try again; the one thing that beats a trial is a failure.; and that goes for trying to live a life to please God also. These are my thoughts and no doubt some will try to pick them to pieces and that is ok with me, no man is an island.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 7, 2015 5:31:59 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing Maryhig and explaining your beliefs. Great to have a real Cooneyite on here if you don't mind us saying that. The 2x2s don't have a name but people call them that for convenience. I think there is some respect for Edward on here by some. Did you realize that this board was the church which Edward was part of before going out on his own? I met with one of Fred Wood's daughter's in Ireland. She came to the meeting I went to in Enniskillen and stayed on a few days while i stayed there. Patrica Roberts had copies of the book she wrote on The Life and Ministry of Edward Cooney so someone in your church in Ireland will have copies as she was of your fellowship. Again, great to have you on this board even if we don't agree with some your interpretation of the Bible. A lot of it is similar to the 2x2s we came out of. Written from my phone so excuse any errors as it's hard writing from a phone. Yes, I agree Maryh, has similar belief to most of the 2x2 workers and friends today. Maryh wrote " We believe in one God, The Almighty God. His son Jesus and the holy spirit. We don't believe in the trinity and believe they are all separate but of one heart. This is how they are one, and we can be at one with them when we let God into our hearts."
Maryh, doesn't believe Jesus is God/the Son, the Trinity. Like most Christians and 2x2s today don't KNOW what is the doctrine of the Trinity. William Irvine and some of the early 2x2 workers believed and taught the Trinity, the Deity of Christ. Jesus is God (the Son like unto the Father). It seems these teaching got lost or didn't preach enough through the years, so now most 2x2s believe in Jesus is the son of God, the humanity part of Jesus and having little very clue about His Divinity/Godhead side. The word God refers ONLY to the Father and NOT the Son.
The 2x2s believe we are SAVED by His death but we practice or live by His life/teachings in our daily lives.
Good to have you on TMB, maryh. I have read about Edward Cooney belief and teachings.
Thanks Nathan, It's good to speak to you all, it's really interesting to see how everyone on here believes. I was thinking about different Christian beliefs the other day, and I saw that dress on the TV where it was the same dress but people saw the colour differently (I don't know if you saw it. But it's in the internet) but anyway all my family where debating to whether it was blue and black or white and gold. And I thought that's like us here, we see the same God, but we see him in different ways. But he looks at the sincerity and love in our hearts not the religion. :-)
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Post by maryhig on Mar 7, 2015 6:29:14 GMT -5
Many of the friends, Kathy Lewis who had written a book: The Church without a name, RossB. on here in the last 25 yrs have left the 2x2 fellowship because they recognized most of the 2x2 workers do NOT understand the Godhead doctrine, the Deity of Christ, the Trinity, Jesus is God/the Son. The churches they attend believe, teach and know these things as part of their churches foundation doctrines. I don't believe in the trinity myself, because I believe there is only one God! And Jesus is his son but they are of one heart mind and strength it also says in the Bible we can be at one with them too when we believe. This is the how I believe they're one. I've never seen the word trinity or triune in the Bible. If people choose to leave a religion and join another because of this, then that is their choice. But it's not for me. We will have to agree to disagree on this one I'm afraid :-)
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Post by maryhig on Mar 7, 2015 6:32:08 GMT -5
I don't believe in the trinity myself, because I believe there is only one God! And Jesus is his son but they are of one heart mind and strength it also says in the Bible we can be at one with them too when we believe. This is the how I believe they're one. I've never seen the word trinity or triune in the Bible. If people choose to leave a religion and join another because of this, then that is their choice. But it's not for me. We will have to agree to disagree on this one I'm afraid :-) May I ask, what is your understanding of the Trinity?I don't believe in the trinity, it's not in the Bible. I won't argue about this, it's my beliefs, you will have to believe in what you think is right.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 6:48:44 GMT -5
I believe in the Biinity (bi-inity) of the Father and the Son. It's in the bible, but no-one talks about it. But sometimes I just like to think of the moninity, (singular) ie "I am God and there is no-one beside me.)
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Post by maryhig on Mar 7, 2015 6:55:19 GMT -5
I don't believe in the trinity, it's not in the Bible. I won't argue about this lol, it's my beliefs, you will have to believe in what you think is right. You don't believe in the Trinity but you worship the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit in your Sunday morning meetings, how can that be?We only worship God, we believe in all three and that all the are of one heart and mind and the holy spirit teaches us about God if we let God into our hearts. Once we let Jesus into our lives and hearts and love God with all our heart we become at one with them because they are in us and we are in them. Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. I worship God but love Jesus his son from the depths of my heart. As I said, you must believe in what your heart tells you Nathan! Right I'm off to make lunch for my hubby, I'll speak to you later :-) I don't believe in the trinity, it's not in the Bible. I won't argue about this lol, it's my beliefs, you will have to believe in what you think is right. You don't believe in the Trinity but you worship the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit in your Sunday morning meetings in the homes, how can that be? We know the word Bible is NOT in the Bible but you read, speak the scriptures from the Bible. Isn't that a contradiction? Shouldn't you stop reading the Bible period! because the word Bible is NOT in the Bible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 7:08:09 GMT -5
The last 30 yrs, many of the friends, Kathy Lewis who had written a book: The Church without a name, and those like RossB. have left the 2x2 fellowship because they recognized most of the 2x2 workers do NOT understand the Godhead doctrine, the Deity of Christ, the Trinity, Jesus is God/the Son. The churches they attend believe, teach and know these things as part of their churches foundation doctrines. Sometimes, the 2x2 workers wonder why, many of the friends are leaving the fellowship, this is one of the reasons.
If the workers don't understand these doctrine clearly then how can they teach the friends? You can't teach others this or that doctrine if you don't understand it yourself. I still struggle with the doctrine of transubstantiation. The purgatory doctrine has me stumped (references, please?) The doctrine of indulgences (paying your way into heaven) is in the same category. How many doctrines does the RCC teach? How many have been superseded or updated? If some want to leave the truth because they aren't being taught about doctrines like Papal Infallibility then they are welcome to Go - and I suggest, go quickly.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 7, 2015 7:13:22 GMT -5
We only worship God, we believe in all three and that all the are of one heart and mind and the holy spirit teaches us about God if we let God into our hearts. If Jesus and the Holy Spirit are NOT God then why are you worshiping, given thanks to Jesus, and asking the Holy Spirit to be in your Sunday morning worship gathering? You know ONLY God to be worshipped, right?Nathan this is the last thing i'm saying for now. When I pray, I say our father, not our Trinity, who art in heaven. Jesus said why do you call me good there's none good but God he referred to only God being good! He never reverenced himself at all! Yet he is above all and sitting on the right hand of God. But he isn't God. I pray to God for strength and he sends the comforter which is the holy spirit. Nathan this is how I believe, you have to follow your own heart. I won't be back till later so im not being ignorant but I won't be able to answer you. I've got sausages on and hungry mouths to feed lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 7:24:13 GMT -5
The last 30 yrs, many of the friends, Kathy Lewis who had written a book: The Church without a name, and those like RossB. have left the 2x2 fellowship because they recognized most of the 2x2 workers do NOT understand the Godhead doctrine, the Deity of Christ, the Trinity, Jesus is God/the Son. The churches they attend believe, teach and know these things as part of their churches foundation doctrines. Sometimes, the 2x2 workers wonder why, many of the friends are leaving the fellowship, this is one of the reasons.
If the workers don't understand these doctrine clearly then how can they teach the friends? You can't teach others this or that doctrine if you don't understand it yourself.
In other words the blind are leading the blind, and we will all fall into the ditch mislead by our shepherds??? We need to cry out like the Etheopian Eunuch cried out to Philip: how can we understand unless someone that knows explains it properly to us.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 7, 2015 7:30:14 GMT -5
Nathan this is the last thing i'm saying for now. When I pray, I say our father, not our Trinity, who art in heaven. Jesus said why do you call me good there's none good but God he referred to only God being good! He never reverenced himself at all! Yet he is above all and sitting on the right hand of God. But he isn't God. I pray to God for strength and he sends the comforter which is the holy spirit. Nathan this is how I believe, you have to follow your own heart. I won't be back till later so im not being ignorant but I won't be able to answer you. I've got sausages on and hungry mouths to feed lol In your Sunday worship gathering, You address the Father in heaven but at closing of each prayer you include Jesus name. If Jesus isn't God like His Father then why would you end your prayers or thanksgiving of the emblems with His/Jesus name.We pray to God, and end our prayer with through our lord Jesus Christ Amen. But we don't pray to Jesus! Speak later. My phone keeps flashing and I'm having lunch lol,. So must go.
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Post by Greg on Mar 7, 2015 7:40:32 GMT -5
I believe most of the friends around the world have feeding too much milk of the word the last 75 yrs and NOT enough meat/teaching of the word such as Godhead, Trinity, the Divinity of Christ and Jesus is God like the Father, the word God refers to the Father and Son department. The friends are handicapped or NOT fully spiritually mature in Christ. Ummm . . . wow, just wow.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 7:41:26 GMT -5
We are baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit- three entities, and the definition of the word "entity" is separate, isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 7:48:28 GMT -5
In your Sunday worship gathering, You address the Father in heaven but at closing of each prayer you include Jesus name. If Jesus isn't God like His Father then why would you end your prayers or thanksgiving of the emblems with His/Jesus name. We pray to God, and end our prayer with through our lord Jesus Christ Amen. But we don't pray to Jesus! Speak later. My phone keeps flashing and I'm having lunch lol,. So must go. I Agree, Jesus is our mediator,comforter, Saviour and we pray through Him and for His sake considering what He has done for us, paying our debts that He did not owe.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 7, 2015 9:00:35 GMT -5
I don't believe in the trinity, it's not in the Bible. I won't argue about this lol, it's my beliefs, you will have to believe in what you think is right. You don't believe in the Trinity but you worship the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit in your Sunday morning meetings in the homes, how can that be? We know the word Bible is NOT in the Bible but you read, speak the scriptures from the Bible. Isn't that a contradiction? Shouldn't you stop reading the Bible period! because the word Bible is NOT in the Bible.I don't pray to the Bible though Nathan, and I don't pray to a trinity, I pray to God! One God, not three, you seem to go ballistic just because I don't agree with you. That's my beliefs! I see you mentioned milk and meat. That has nothing to do with the trinity either! When a baby has milk it's very young and had little understanding of the things around it. That's like us when we are more interested in ourselves than God we have little understanding in God! We can only listen about the smallest things in God. As we grow older we can take solids, and become more aware. When we are mature we can take meat because we have stronger teeth and don't need it cut up for us. And our mind is fully aware of what's around us. In God, the meat is revelation which is wisdom and having a higher understanding. And if we have this we are able to teach others the right way in God! Paul was full of wisdom and could take strong meat and because of this high understanding he was very strong in God! That's why Paul said the following! Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. This has nothing to do with the trinity, if it did then Paul would have said so! He would have told then they will only have milk because they don't understand the trinity! He never he wanted to here wisdom from their mouths and he wasn't hearing it, so he knew they weren't progressing in God!
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Post by bubbles on Mar 7, 2015 10:14:05 GMT -5
The last 30 yrs, many of the friends, Kathy Lewis who had written a book: The Church without a name, and those like RossB. have left the 2x2 fellowship because they recognized most of the 2x2 workers do NOT understand the Godhead doctrine, the Deity of Christ, the Trinity, Jesus is God/the Son. The churches they attend believe, teach and know these things as part of their churches foundation doctrines. Sometimes, the 2x2 workers wonder why, many of the friends are leaving the fellowship, this is one of the reasons.
If the workers don't understand these doctrine clearly then how can they teach the friends? You can't teach others this or that doctrine if you don't understand it yourself.
In other words the blind are leading the blind, and we will all fall into the ditch mislead by our shepherds??? We need to cry out like the Etheopian Eunuch cried out to Philip: how can we understand unless someone that knows explains it properly to us. Jesus always will glorify the father. The father and the holy spirit always glorify the son.
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Post by CherieKropp on Mar 7, 2015 10:23:09 GMT -5
MaryH: There is a comparison of the beliefs of the 3 factions started by Wm Irvine on the TTT website. Can you tell us if thsi comparison accurately reflects the beliefs of the group nicknamed "Cooneyites" (who take no name)? Do you know any who practice and believe as you do who live in Ireland? Enniskillen? Fermanagh County? LINK: www.tellingthetruth.info/founder_book/23wmibook.php/Are you aware of these books written about your group by a member of your group: By Patricia Roberts (Passed away Sept. 29, 2014) 1. The Life and Ministry of Edward Cooney, 1867-1960, 1990 (ISBN 0 9510109 4 8) 2. Selected Letters, Hymns and Poems of Edward Cooney, 1867-1960, 1991 3. Selected Letters of Fred Wood 1890-1986, 1997 4. The Go Preacher Movement- An Anthology, 2000 Published by William Trimble, Ltd., Enniskillen, N. Ireland Who do you look to as your group's leader? Just curious, Cherie
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Post by snow on Mar 7, 2015 10:52:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure her group is a part of Coonyites, but possibly got some of what they believe from him. She states her uncle knew him so it's possible. I think it's interesting. As far as her 'just saying so', that's a question for her, not me. Hiya again, Well apparently yes in Ireland we have been called the coonyites, but I don't know about Ireland but here in Wales we don't call ourselves that; we follow Jesus. But I know and have always known about Edward Cooney and William Irvine (well from when I was older anyway) I've been told more about Edward because it is him who my uncle knew more about. I'll explain what we believe, We believe in one God, The Almighty God. His son Jesus and the holy spirit. We don't believe in the trinity and believe they are all separate but of one heart. This is how they are one, and we can be at one with them when we let God into our hearts We don't believe That it's Jesus' death on cross that saves you, it's his life, by him coming here and baring all the sins the world through satan threw at him and showing love and not sinning. And he tells us to follow. By telling us to take up our cross, deny ourselves and follow him. Which we believe and i believe in my heart to mean dealing with any suffering we have in this world at the hands of men and showing love, deny sins in our hearts and follow him, because he did all this. I don't believe in that in a self righteous way. Because I know the sins of my heart. And without letting God in my heart and following Jesus' life. I would be a totally different person! In the book of James it says," Yea, a man may say, Thou has faith and I have works: Show me thy faith without they works and I will show you my failh by my works." (James chapter 2.)We believe the death on the cross is death to satan in the heart and Jesus denied him to the end of his life, and he can help us do this too, as far as we are willing to go!. We are the shape of the cross. When he says to take up our cross he doesn't mean a wooden one, it's baring the sufferings in this world We believe he fulfilled the scriptures throughout his life and even suffering the death on the cross and still showing love. I feel Romans 6 explains how we believe. (I opened it the other night and thought it show's clearly what we believe} We believe that you have to follow him with free will not having anything forced on you, I've never been forced to do anything I don't want to, we've been told what the bible says is right to do but never been made to do anything. I had a typical childhood, and did the same as all the other kids in my school and loved music and dancing My mum has always advised me to not go to far and has always been there to help me. I went to the meetings of my own free will and anything I have stopped doing has been of my own free will because of my conscience which I believe is the spirit in the heart guiding me through my life. We don't believe in an organization and don't have workers and overseers or elders etc. We are all the same except some are stronger in God than others so we see them as elders in the way of being stronger in God, but they don't call themselves that. We believe that if you are willing, then you follow Jesus as far as you are willing to go, and the more you let God into your heart, the stronger in God you get. We don't believe that you have to hear the word of God through one of our people, we believe God looks at the heart. That he loves us all, and that we live by example, but we can only do this by letting God and Christ in our hearts. We believe that it's through Jesus we are saved, and only God decides who's saved, it's not just the people who believe in our way. We believe in staying humble, as if you go to above yourself then you end up coming first before God. So it's not a good thing to build up, in your life and in your heart. We believe that if you follow Jesus you will follow his commandments to love the lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and your neighbour as yourself. We believe anyone we meet is our neighbour and if they need help we have to help. We believe that by following these 2 commandments you will also follow the 10 in the old testament, because if you love God and your neighbour as yourself, then you will follow those in your heart as well. Our doors are open to everyone, you don't have to be of a certain religion to come. Jesus preached to everyone, whatever they believed in. And you don't have to profess through one of our people. We believe you go to God in your own heart. Jesus even ate and preached in Matthew the tax collectors home, who would have been hated by the jews but Jesus saw him differently. Jesus was accused of eating with sinners, yet this man became on of his apostles! We can never judge anyone and everyone is welcome. I personally dislike saying one person is better than another because we all have faults in one way or another none are perfect so we have no right to judge. I myself am a sinner and it's only the love of God that saves me not anything I do myself, for it is his love in my heart that stops me from sinning. But i still sin everyday, I just try not to purposely and try to listen to my conscience. When I do wrong I prey to God for forgiveness. I don't go to any man for forgiveness. But I do go to people I trust for advice then make my own mind up. We only meet in homes, We read the KJV of the bible and sing from the Hymns old and New. Sorry for the long post but I just thought I would let you know how we believe as people were wondering what we believe in. Mary Thank you for letting us know what your group believes. There are some similarities and some differences. The fact you don't have workers, overseers etc is one difference and imo, a really good one. You sound much more tolerant of others and their beliefs than the 2x2's. The home meetings are being adopted by those leaving some of the traditional churches now so it's a way of fellowship that seems to be preferred by some. When I was part of the group I was never taught about the trinity. I never even knew the concept until I started researching the history of many of the world's religions. I remember viewing Jesus as an older brother, a role model that taught us how to live in the world. I think we differ in that the cross and resurrection was considered important too though.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 7, 2015 11:02:04 GMT -5
MaryH: There is a comparison of the beliefs of the 3 factions started by Wm Irvine on the TTT website. Can you tell us if thsi comparison accurately reflects the beliefs of the group nicknamed "Cooneyites" (who take no name)? Do you know any who practice and believe as you do who live in Ireland? Enniskillen? Fermanagh County? LINK: www.tellingthetruth.info/founder_book/23wmibook.php/Are you aware of these books written about your group by a member of your group: By Patricia Roberts (Passed away Sept. 29, 2014) 1. The Life and Ministry of Edward Cooney, 1867-1960, 1990 (ISBN 0 9510109 4 8) 2. Selected Letters, Hymns and Poems of Edward Cooney, 1867-1960, 1991 3. Selected Letters of Fred Wood 1890-1986, 1997 4. The Go Preacher Movement- An Anthology, 2000 Published by William Trimble, Ltd., Enniskillen, N. Ireland Who do you look to as your group's leader? Just curious, Cherie Cherie, I will have a look when I get a chance and let you know :-)
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Post by maryhig on Mar 7, 2015 12:58:55 GMT -5
Hiya again, Well apparently yes in Ireland we have been called the coonyites, but I don't know about Ireland but here in Wales we don't call ourselves that; we follow Jesus. But I know and have always known about Edward Cooney and William Irvine (well from when I was older anyway) I've been told more about Edward because it is him who my uncle knew more about. I'll explain what we believe, We believe in one God, The Almighty God. His son Jesus and the holy spirit. We don't believe in the trinity and believe they are all separate but of one heart. This is how they are one, and we can be at one with them when we let God into our hearts We don't believe That it's Jesus' death on cross that saves you, it's his life, by him coming here and baring all the sins the world through satan threw at him and showing love and not sinning. And he tells us to follow. By telling us to take up our cross, deny ourselves and follow him. Which we believe and i believe in my heart to mean dealing with any suffering we have in this world at the hands of men and showing love, deny sins in our hearts and follow him, because he did all this. I don't believe in that in a self righteous way. Because I know the sins of my heart. And without letting God in my heart and following Jesus' life. I would be a totally different person! In the book of James it says," Yea, a man may say, Thou has faith and I have works: Show me thy faith without they works and I will show you my failh by my works." (James chapter 2.)We believe the death on the cross is death to satan in the heart and Jesus denied him to the end of his life, and he can help us do this too, as far as we are willing to go!. We are the shape of the cross. When he says to take up our cross he doesn't mean a wooden one, it's baring the sufferings in this world We believe he fulfilled the scriptures throughout his life and even suffering the death on the cross and still showing love. I feel Romans 6 explains how we believe. (I opened it the other night and thought it show's clearly what we believe} We believe that you have to follow him with free will not having anything forced on you, I've never been forced to do anything I don't want to, we've been told what the bible says is right to do but never been made to do anything. I had a typical childhood, and did the same as all the other kids in my school and loved music and dancing My mum has always advised me to not go to far and has always been there to help me. I went to the meetings of my own free will and anything I have stopped doing has been of my own free will because of my conscience which I believe is the spirit in the heart guiding me through my life. We don't believe in an organization and don't have workers and overseers or elders etc. We are all the same except some are stronger in God than others so we see them as elders in the way of being stronger in God, but they don't call themselves that. We believe that if you are willing, then you follow Jesus as far as you are willing to go, and the more you let God into your heart, the stronger in God you get. We don't believe that you have to hear the word of God through one of our people, we believe God looks at the heart. That he loves us all, and that we live by example, but we can only do this by letting God and Christ in our hearts. We believe that it's through Jesus we are saved, and only God decides who's saved, it's not just the people who believe in our way. We believe in staying humble, as if you go to above yourself then you end up coming first before God. So it's not a good thing to build up, in your life and in your heart. We believe that if you follow Jesus you will follow his commandments to love the lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and your neighbour as yourself. We believe anyone we meet is our neighbour and if they need help we have to help. We believe that by following these 2 commandments you will also follow the 10 in the old testament, because if you love God and your neighbour as yourself, then you will follow those in your heart as well. Our doors are open to everyone, you don't have to be of a certain religion to come. Jesus preached to everyone, whatever they believed in. And you don't have to profess through one of our people. We believe you go to God in your own heart. Jesus even ate and preached in Matthew the tax collectors home, who would have been hated by the jews but Jesus saw him differently. Jesus was accused of eating with sinners, yet this man became on of his apostles! We can never judge anyone and everyone is welcome. I personally dislike saying one person is better than another because we all have faults in one way or another none are perfect so we have no right to judge. I myself am a sinner and it's only the love of God that saves me not anything I do myself, for it is his love in my heart that stops me from sinning. But i still sin everyday, I just try not to purposely and try to listen to my conscience. When I do wrong I prey to God for forgiveness. I don't go to any man for forgiveness. But I do go to people I trust for advice then make my own mind up. We only meet in homes, We read the KJV of the bible and sing from the Hymns old and New. Sorry for the long post but I just thought I would let you know how we believe as people were wondering what we believe in. Mary Thank you for letting us know what your group believes. There are some similarities and some differences. The fact you don't have workers, overseers etc is one difference and imo, a really good one. You sound much more tolerant of others and their beliefs than the 2x2's. The home meetings are being adopted by those leaving some of the traditional churches now so it's a way of fellowship that seems to be preferred by some. When I was part of the group I was never taught about the trinity. I never even knew the concept until I started researching the history of many of the world's religions. I remember viewing Jesus as an older brother, a role model that taught us how to live in the world. I think we differ in that the cross and resurrection was considered important too though. Hi snow, I don't know if you saw in that post that I said about the the death we believe in being explained well in Roman's 6, it also explains what we believe about the resurrection too. It is too hard for me to explain in writing. But that chapter explains it well. :-)
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Post by emy on Mar 7, 2015 13:06:37 GMT -5
In your Sunday worship gathering, You address the Father in heaven but at closing of each prayer you include Jesus name. If Jesus isn't God like His Father then why would you end your prayers or thanksgiving of the emblems with His/Jesus name. We pray to God, and end our prayer with through our lord Jesus Christ Amen. But we don't pray to Jesus! Speak later. My phone keeps flashing and I'm having lunch lol,. So must go. I agree. And Jesus clearly said to ask in his name. It's constant proof to God that we understand the power Jesus had.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 7, 2015 16:22:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure her group is a part of Coonyites, but possibly got some of what they believe from him. She states her uncle knew him so it's possible. I think it's interesting. As far as her 'just saying so', that's a question for her, not me. Hiya again, Well apparently yes in Ireland we have been called the coonyites, but I don't know about Ireland but here in Wales we don't call ourselves that; we follow Jesus. But I know and have always known about Edward Cooney and William Irvine (well from when I was older anyway) I've been told more about Edward because it is him who my uncle knew more about. I'll explain what we believe, We believe in one God, The Almighty God. His son Jesus and the holy spirit. We don't believe in the trinity and believe they are all separate but of one heart. This is how they are one, and we can be at one with them when we let God into our hearts We don't believe That it's Jesus' death on cross that saves you, it's his life, by him coming here and baring all the sins the world through satan threw at him and showing love and not sinning. And he tells us to follow. we have in this world at the hands of men and showing love, deny sins in our hearts and follow him, because he did all this. I don't believe in that in a self righteous way. Because I know the sins of my heart. And without letting God in my heart and following Jesus' life. I would be a totally different person! In the book of James it says," Yea, a man may say, Thou has faith and I have works: Show me thy faith without they works and I will show you my failh by my works." (James chapter 2.) We believe the death on the cross is death to satan in the heart and Jesus denied him to the end of his life, and he can help us do this too, as far as we are willing to go!. We are the shape of the cross. When he says to take up our cross he doesn't mean a wooden one, it's baring the sufferings in this world We believe he fulfilled the scriptures throughout his life and even suffering the death on the cross and still showing love. I feel Romans 6 explains how we believe. (I opened it the other night and thought it show's clearly what we believe} We believe that you have to follow him with free will not having anything forced on you, I've never been forced to do anything I don't want to, we've been told what the bible says is right to do but never been made to do anything. I had a typical childhood, and did the same as all the other kids in my school and loved music and dancing My mum has always advised me to not go to far and has always been there to help me. I went to the meetings of my own free will and anything I have stopped doing has been of my own free will because of my conscience which I believe is the spirit in the heart guiding me through my life. We don't believe in an organization and don't have workers and overseers or elders etc. We are all the same except some are stronger in God than others so we see them as elders in the way of being stronger in God, but they don't call themselves that. We believe that if you are willing, then you follow Jesus as far as you are willing to go, and the more you let God into your heart, the stronger in God you get. We don't believe that you have to hear the word of God through one of our people, we believe God looks at the heart. That he loves us all, and that we live by example, but we can only do this by letting God and Christ in our hearts. We believe that it's through Jesus we are saved, and only God decides who's saved, it's not just the people who believe in our way. We believe in staying humble, as if you go to above yourself then you end up coming first before God. So it's not a good thing to build up, in your life and in your heart. We believe that if you follow Jesus you will follow his commandments to love the lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and your neighbour as yourself. We believe anyone we meet is our neighbour and if they need help we have to help. We believe that by following these 2 commandments you will also follow the 10 in the old testament, because if you love God and your neighbour as yourself, then you will follow those in your heart as well. Our doors are open to everyone, you don't have to be of a certain religion to come. Jesus preached to everyone, whatever they believed in. And you don't have to profess through one of our people. We believe you go to God in your own heart. Jesus even ate and preached in Matthew the tax collectors home, who would have been hated by the jews but Jesus saw him differently. Jesus was accused of eating with sinners, yet this man became on of his apostles! We can never judge anyone and everyone is welcome. I personally dislike saying one person is better than another because we all have faults in one way or another none are perfect so we have no right to judge. I myself am a sinner and it's only the love of God that saves me not anything I do myself, for it is his love in my heart that stops me from sinning. But i still sin everyday, I just try not to purposely and try to listen to my conscience. When I do wrong I prey to God for forgiveness. I don't go to any man for forgiveness. But I do go to people I trust for advice then make my own mind up. We only meet in homes, We read the KJV of the bible and sing from the Hymns old and New. Sorry for the long post but I just thought I would let you know how we believe as people were wondering what we believe in. Mary Thank you Maryhig.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 17:16:19 GMT -5
Maryhiq Many here say we "have no doctrine" but this seems pretty close.
As an aside - many point to Jesus meeting with sinners in their homes as example of Jesus accepting anyone. It can be said that it's the opposite: Jesus met with those to whom He could reach through the Gospel. These are the people He had fellowship with. There were times when He was invited to people's homes and he most likely felt His message wasn't reaching them.
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Post by maryhig on Mar 8, 2015 5:05:02 GMT -5
Maryhiq Many here say we "have no doctrine" but this seems pretty close. As an aside - many point to Jesus meeting with sinners in their homes as example of Jesus accepting anyone. It can be said that it's the opposite: Jesus met with those to whom He could reach through the Gospel. These are the people He had fellowship with. There were times when He was invited to people's homes and he most likely felt His message wasn't reaching them. Hi Bert, Sorry but I didn't read this till late last night and I was tired. Firstly, i'm not sure what you mean by your first sentence, can you explain it to me please? The rest that you have written has played on my mind because I can't see how we can know who we should and shouldn't talk to, or who's house we should or shouldn't go to, as our mind isn't like God's. How do we know who who Jesus would want to reach? But I'm sure if like you said, someone invited Jesus into their home. Then I'm sure they'd be interested? So I've been pondering on what you wrote, because I don't want to offend God by saying the wrong thing. So I prayed this morning and asked for him to show me if my thinking is right or wrong. Then I opened the Bible randomly and opened up at Acts 10. I've read this before but never realised how much we are being warned not to judge. It was about the Roman centurion who was praying to God, now you would never have dreamed by looking at him that he would believe in God, firstly being a centurion, but God heard him! Peter was very reluctant to go to him, but listened to God! And went when he was told to go! Verse 34 then jumped out at me, it says, Then Peter opened up his mouth, and said. Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons! All that were in his house, not only that centurion received the holy spirit. So God knows best, and if he's no respecter of person's, nor would Jesus have been. Jesus I believe would have tried to bring God to everyone. It's who receives it that's what God looks at! I don't know the hearts of people, only God knows that. So I'll keep my door open to everyone! The door of my heart to God and my front door to everyone. I myself am a sinner so how can I judge others? It's the word of God, that does the judging, not me! For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him, should not perish but have everlasting life! He gave him to the whole world, we don't know who will listen, Were just here to show him to others!
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Post by bubbles on Mar 8, 2015 19:49:20 GMT -5
Maryhig Im assuming. Correct me if Im wrong. That with no workers governing your group of friends. That individually you have relied on the comfort,guiding, teaching of the holy spirit through revelation knowledge and the word of God? Thats how it appears to me. When someone wants to be baptised. Who does it? Where do you baptise them? Do you have mission meetings?
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