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Post by bubbles on Feb 20, 2015 20:39:33 GMT -5
Psalm 34:8 "Taste and see that the Lord is good; blessed is the man that takes refuge in him." Psalm 145:9 "The lord is good to all; he has compassion on all he has made."
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Post by bubbles on Feb 21, 2015 1:48:50 GMT -5
Personally I have known his goodness so many times through my life. I see his hand in so much around me. My heart sings when Ive cried out in desperation and hes heard my prayer and the prayer is answered. Each time he comes through for me my confidence in his power grows. If he hears a sparrow fall from a tree how much more will he listen to humanity.
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Post by maryhig on Feb 21, 2015 5:33:19 GMT -5
Yes God has helped me many times, when my brother died, I nearly broke down. He gave me the strength to cope. He also showed me many signs about my brother and amazed me in many ways. He is a wonderful father if you open up your heart to him and let him in. He never leaves you or turns his face from you, if we turn our face to him.
You don't see the beauty of a sunny day if you don't open the curtains. You won't feel that day if you don't walk in it You won't see or feel God if you don't open your heart and walk with him!
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Post by snow on Feb 21, 2015 12:46:33 GMT -5
Which God, or does it matter just so long as you open your heart to one of them?
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Post by maryhig on Feb 21, 2015 13:49:28 GMT -5
Which God, or does it matter just so long as you open your heart to one of them? Hi snow, There is only one God, but we have been given freewill. So we have to decide what we want to believe. I know he's there. I have no doubt at all. If you want to insist that he's not there, and that suits you, then no-one will change your mind! Joshua 24 And if it seems evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord! I will serve the lord, it's up to you what you believe in. Which God, or does it matter just so long as you open your heart to one of them?
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Post by bubbles on Feb 21, 2015 15:01:03 GMT -5
Yes God has helped me many times, when my brother died, I nearly broke down. He gave me the strength to cope. He also showed me many signs about my brother and amazed me in many ways. He is a wonderful father if you open up your heart to him and let him in. He never leaves you or turns his face from you, if we turn our face to him. You don't see the beauty of a sunny day if you don't open the curtains. You won't feel that day if you don't walk in it You won't see or feel God if you don't open your heart and walk with him! When a loved one dies it is hard. Im sorry about your brother. My pops died 2yr ago. I know I was given strength I didnt expect. There is comfort knowing he is safe in the arms of his God.
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Post by bubbles on Feb 21, 2015 15:19:55 GMT -5
Which God, or does it matter just so long as you open your heart to one of them? It is about our hearts. Eph 3:17 "That christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love."
Open hearts. Eph 1:18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened so that you will know what is the hope of his calling,what are the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,"
Soft heartsHeb 3:1-19 "do not harden your hearts"
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 21, 2015 15:20:10 GMT -5
Which God, or does it matter just so long as you open your heart to one of them? Hi snow, There is only one God, but we have been given freewill. So we have to decide what we want to believe. I know he's there. I have no doubt at all. If you want to insist that he's not there, and that suits you, then no-one will change your mind! Joshua 24 And if it seems evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord! I will serve the lord, it's up to you what you believe in. Which God, or does it matter just so long as you open your heart to one of them? For me, it isn't a matter of "insisting" that there isn't a god.
It is rather that there no evidence that there is any god.
I once thought much the same as you do, maryhig and bubbles.
After delving into the reasons that people believe that there is a god, I begin to understand the psychological reasons that people seem to need for believing there is a god. (myself included)
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 21, 2015 15:38:38 GMT -5
Which God, or does it matter just so long as you open your heart to one of them? It is about our hearts. Eph 3:17 "That christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love."
Open hearts. Eph 1:18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened so that you will know what is the hope of his calling,what are the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,"
Soft heartsHeb 3:1-19 "do not harden your hearts" No, bubbles, it isn't about our "hearts."
"Hearts" in the way you mean doesn't really exist. It is a metaphor, a figure of speech .
Believing in a god & believing that god cares about us & intercedes on our behalf , are thoughts that come from our minds.
When I reflected on why I believed, I begin to realize it all was a construct of my mind, metaphysical attempt to answer why certain things happened to me and others.
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Post by maryhig on Feb 21, 2015 16:00:44 GMT -5
Hi snow, There is only one God, but we have been given freewill. So we have to decide what we want to believe. I know he's there. I have no doubt at all. If you want to insist that he's not there, and that suits you, then no-one will change your mind! Joshua 24 And if it seems evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord! I will serve the lord, it's up to you what you believe in. For me, it isn't a matter of "insisting" that there isn't a god.
It is rather that there no evidence that there is any god.
I once thought much the same as you do, maryhig and bubbles.
After delving into the reasons that people believe that there is a god, I begin to understand the psychological reasons that people seem to need for believing there is a god. (myself included)
Dmmichgood hiya I know he's there because he's proved it to me, not in a silly way but in a big impossible way. The thing is you don't know me, but i tell the truth. And I couldn't even tell you the things that happened to me, as because you don't know me you wouldn't believe me. But i know he's there and I can't deny him. One day I know that I will step out of my body and see him, so I have to get my heart right whilst I'm here. The only way I believe I can do that is by letting Jesus in by listening to him in my heart and following him as far as I'm willing to go. Everyone has a choice and mine is to believe and have faith. It's not religion. That's why it amazes me the way some religions believe that we can only get in through their way, it's the heart that counts. No man can save us, only God and God looks at our hearts.
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Post by maryhig on Feb 21, 2015 16:25:11 GMT -5
"Heart" to me is where I love from or can have hardness from where I feel from where I have compassion or from where I get a conscience. I believe I have to listen to that conscience and the more I let God into my heart, the more of a conscience i have. I can either let love or hatred live there. softness or hardness, I have a choice. I choose for my heart to let God in and love him. We all have freewill we all have a choice. Mine is to believe.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 21, 2015 16:46:06 GMT -5
For me, it isn't a matter of "insisting" that there isn't a god.
It is rather that there no evidence that there is any god.
I once thought much the same as you do, maryhig and bubbles.
After delving into the reasons that people believe that there is a god, I begin to understand the psychological reasons that people seem to need for believing there is a god. (myself included)
Dmmichgood hiya I know he's there because he's proved it to me, not in a silly way but in a big impossible way. The thing is you don't know me, but i tell the truth.
And I couldn't even tell you the things that happened to me, as because you don't know me you wouldn't believe me. But i know he's there and I can't deny him. One day I know that I will step out of my body and see him, so I have to get my heart right whilst I'm here. The only way I believe I can do that is by letting Jesus in by listening to him in my heart and following him as far as I'm willing to go. Everyone has a choice and mine is to believe and have faith. It's not religion. That's why it amazes me the way some religions believe that we can only get in through their way, it's the heart that counts. No man can save us, only God and God looks at our hearts. Maryhig, It isn't a matter of whether I know you or not.I do not doubt that you are telling the truth about what you believe to be true.
I doubt that you could tell me anything about what has happened to you that I haven't heard from others.
Life problems are universal.
My life's problems were also universal & I also believed that god was watching over my life.
When things went well I believed it was because of god looking after me.
When things didn't go very well, I thought he was "testing" my faith.
When things didn't go like I wanted them, I thought he with held them for my own good.
Those three ways of looking at whatever happens to us gives us the leeway of believing that no matter what happens it is because it is the will of god.
It allows people to believe that god is always involved .
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Post by maryhig on Feb 21, 2015 17:17:28 GMT -5
Dmmichgood hiya I know he's there because he's proved it to me, not in a silly way but in a big impossible way. The thing is you don't know me, but i tell the truth.
And I couldn't even tell you the things that happened to me, as because you don't know me you wouldn't believe me. But i know he's there and I can't deny him. One day I know that I will step out of my body and see him, so I have to get my heart right whilst I'm here. The only way I believe I can do that is by letting Jesus in by listening to him in my heart and following him as far as I'm willing to go. Everyone has a choice and mine is to believe and have faith. It's not religion. That's why it amazes me the way some religions believe that we can only get in through their way, it's the heart that counts. No man can save us, only God and God looks at our hearts. Maryhig, It isn't a matter of whether I know you or not.I do not doubt that you are telling the truth about what you believe to be true.
I doubt that you could tell me anything about what has happened to you that I haven't heard from others.
Life problems are universal.
My life's problems were also universal & I also believed that god was watching over my life.
When things went well I believed it was because of god looking after me.
When things didn't go very well, I thought he was "testing" my faith.
When things didn't go like I wanted them, I thought he with held them for my own good.
Those three ways of looking at whatever happens to us gives us the leeway of believing that no matter what happens it is because it is the will of god.
It allows people to believe that god is always involved .
It's not to do with just my life problems, we all have them. I have proved in my life he is there. Not just when I'm in trouble either! I was looking at my grandson this morning, he's only a baby. We were all running round after him, cleaning, cooking getting him clothes etc. And he was oblivious to it all. And I thought that's what God is like with us, we don't see all the things he is doing in the background. All my grandson cares about is if that his mum or dad is there. I thought that's why Jesus said you have to become as a little child to enter into the kingdom. God wants us innocent again not caring about worldly things but caring about him. Do you really believe that when we die that there is nothing? You can see when someone dies that something had left their body. We can't come from nothing! You can't just have a big bang and everything just happens! I believe a whole lot differently than a lot of Christians. I don't believe there is one religion to get to God, or that Jesus had to die on a cross for me, or that Adam was the first man on earth. I don't believe Jesus is god and I don't believe you're saved by just saying you believe. I believe God loves us all and wants us all and we have to have faith before he opens our eyes and ears. That's how I believe and you will believe what you will and God gives us that freewill to choose what we will
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 18:37:52 GMT -5
Hi snow, There is only one God, but we have been given freewill. So we have to decide what we want to believe. I know he's there. I have no doubt at all. If you want to insist that he's not there, and that suits you, then no-one will change your mind! Joshua 24 And if it seems evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord! I will serve the lord, it's up to you what you believe in. For me, it isn't a matter of "insisting" that there isn't a god.
It is rather that there no evidence that there is any god.
I once thought much the same as you do, maryhig and bubbles.
After delving into the reasons that people believe that there is a god, I begin to understand the psychological reasons that people seem to need for believing there is a god. (myself included)
I believe that an individual's evidence that there is a God is manifested in that person's personal relationship with God. No one other than that individual can accurately assess his/ her personal relationship with Almighty God. Because of my personal relationship with God, I have the faith to believe that others also have and share that kind of personal relationship with God; what we have in common is the strong belief that there is an Almighty God, and we sense His presence around us as He speaks to our consciences/hearts and often answers our prayers. The times He does not answer our prayers, or delays His answer, perhaps is because He knows what is right and best/ good for us at any particular time in our lives.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 21, 2015 18:52:49 GMT -5
Maryhig, It isn't a matter of whether I know you or not.I do not doubt that you are telling the truth about what you believe to be true.
I doubt that you could tell me anything about what has happened to you that I haven't heard from others.
Life problems are universal.
My life's problems were also universal & I also believed that god was watching over my life.
When things went well I believed it was because of god looking after me.
When things didn't go very well, I thought he was "testing" my faith.
When things didn't go like I wanted them, I thought he with held them for my own good.
Those three ways of looking at whatever happens to us gives us the leeway of believing that no matter what happens it is because it is the will of god.
It allows people to believe that god is always involved .
It's not to do with just my life problems, we all have them. I have proved in my life he is there. Not just when I'm in trouble either! I was looking at my grandson this morning, he's only a baby. We were all running round after him, cleaning, cooking getting him clothes etc. And he was oblivious to it all. And I thought that's what God is like with us, we don't see all the things he is doing in the background. All my grandson cares about is if that his mum or dad is there. I thought that's why Jesus said you have to become as a little child to enter into the kingdom.
God wants us innocent again not caring about worldly things but caring about him. Do you really believe that when we die that there is nothing? You can see when someone dies that something had left their body. We can't come from nothing! You can't just have a big bang and everything just happens! I believe a whole lot differently than a lot of Christians. I don't believe there is one religion to get to God, or that Jesus had to die on a cross for me, or that Adam was the first man on earth. I don't believe Jesus is god and I don't believe you're saved by just saying you believe. I believe God loves us all and wants us all and we have to have faith before he opens our eyes and ears. That's how I believe and you will believe what you will and God gives us that freewill to choose what we will. Maryhig, can you tell how you have proved in your life that god he is there?
It is hard to believe that an all powerful god who created us would need for us to act like a little child.
It seems as if he is indeed all powerful, that he wouldn't need his creation to be so powerless.
Yes, I really do that believe that when we die that is the end. period.
I see no need for an afterlife.
I believe that even with all of it's problems there is much joy in this life that it is all the life that I need or want.
I can't imagine wanting to go to some hereafter to live forever!
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 21, 2015 19:00:50 GMT -5
For me, it isn't a matter of "insisting" that there isn't a god.
It is rather that there no evidence that there is any god.
I once thought much the same as you do, maryhig and bubbles.
After delving into the reasons that people believe that there is a god, I begin to understand the psychological reasons that people seem to need for believing there is a god. (myself included)
I believe that an individual's evidence that there is a God is manifested in that person's personal relationship with God. No one other than that individual can accurately assess his/ her personal relationship with Almighty God. Because of my personal relationship with God, I have the faith to believe that others also have and share that kind of personal relationship with God; what we have in common is the strong belief that there is an Almighty God, and we sense His presence around us as He speaks to our consciences/hearts and often answers our prayers. The times He does not answer our prayers, or delays His answer, perhaps is because He knows what is right and best/ good for us at any particular time in our lives. Partaker,
"The times He does not answer our prayers, or delays His answer, perhaps is because He knows what is right and best/ good for us at any particular time in our lives."
That is precisely what I said.
It gives people that great big loophole that allows them to believe that god exists no matter whether he answers their prayers or not.
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Post by maryhig on Feb 21, 2015 19:05:46 GMT -5
It's not to do with just my life problems, we all have them. I have proved in my life he is there. Not just when I'm in trouble either! I was looking at my grandson this morning, he's only a baby. We were all running round after him, cleaning, cooking getting him clothes etc. And he was oblivious to it all. And I thought that's what God is like with us, we don't see all the things he is doing in the background. All my grandson cares about is if that his mum or dad is there. I thought that's why Jesus said you have to become as a little child to enter into the kingdom.
God wants us innocent again not caring about worldly things but caring about him. Do you really believe that when we die that there is nothing? You can see when someone dies that something had left their body. We can't come from nothing! You can't just have a big bang and everything just happens! I believe a whole lot differently than a lot of Christians. I don't believe there is one religion to get to God, or that Jesus had to die on a cross for me, or that Adam was the first man on earth. I don't believe Jesus is god and I don't believe you're saved by just saying you believe. I believe God loves us all and wants us all and we have to have faith before he opens our eyes and ears. That's how I believe and you will believe what you will and God gives us that freewill to choose what we will. Maryhig, can you tell how you have proved in your life that god he is there?
It is hard to believe that an all powerful god who created us would need for us to act like a little child.
It seems as if he is indeed all powerful, that he wouldn't need his creation to be so powerless.
Yes, I really do that believe that when we die that is the end. period.
I see no need for an afterlife.
I believe that even with all of it's problems there is much joy in this life that it is all the life that I need or want.
I can't imagine wanting to go to some hereafter to live forever!
I don't mean to act as a child, I mean to have the innocence of a child. A child is blind to worldly things and it's innocent, young children's minds aren't corrupt this is how I mean when I say to become as a child.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 19:26:02 GMT -5
Maryhig, It isn't a matter of whether I know you or not.I do not doubt that you are telling the truth about what you believe to be true.
I doubt that you could tell me anything about what has happened to you that I haven't heard from others.
Life problems are universal.
My life's problems were also universal & I also believed that god was watching over my life.
When things went well I believed it was because of god looking after me.
When things didn't go very well, I thought he was "testing" my faith.
When things didn't go like I wanted them, I thought he with held them for my own good.
Those three ways of looking at whatever happens to us gives us the leeway of believing that no matter what happens it is because it is the will of god.
It allows people to believe that god is always involved .
It's not to do with just my life problems, we all have them. I have proved in my life he is there. Not just when I'm in trouble either! I was looking at my grandson this morning, he's only a baby. We were all running round after him, cleaning, cooking getting him clothes etc. And he was oblivious to it all. And I thought that's what God is like with us, we don't see all the things he is doing in the background. All my grandson cares about is if that his mum or dad is there. I thought that's why Jesus said you have to become as a little child to enter into the kingdom. God wants us innocent again not caring about worldly things but caring about him. Do you really believe that when we die that there is nothing? You can see when someone dies that something had left their body. We can't come from nothing! You can't just have a big bang and everything just happens! I believe a whole lot differently than a lot of Christians. I don't believe there is one religion to get to God, or that Jesus had to die on a cross for me, or that Adam was the first man on earth. I don't believe Jesus is god and I don't believe you're saved by just saying you believe. I believe God loves us all and wants us all and we have to have faith before he opens our eyes and ears. That's how I believe and you will believe what you will and God gives us that freewill to choose what we will You may have proved in your life that He is there but the trouble with believers is that while they can prove to themselves that He is there, they can't prove it to anyone else. This leaves one open to the suspicion that He isn't really there at all, but rather that the believers belief that He is there is merely a conclusion drawn as a result of warm fuzzy feelings or thoughts they've been conditioned to thinking. Despite a number of posts on this thread there is still not a single example that shows that God really is good which is surely remarkable givien the title. Believing that God is good or believing that God loves us is all very well but if all we can come up with to support such claims is a few dubious lines from an old book, well such beliefs don't really mean anything. While beliefs are interesting in themselves, they don't really mean very much without something tangible to back them up. DMG believes that God doesn't exist, you believe that God loves us and is good while I believe God exists but that He doesn't give a hoot about any of us. How do we persuade anyone that our particular belief is the right one? What makes your belief any more valid than that of anyone else? I've no doubt that your God exists for you but that doesn't mean he exists for DMG or anyone else. Your God may care about you but that doesn't put mean that He cares about me or DMG and we certainly haven't seen any evidence. My God couldn't care less if I lay down and died and I kinda like that about Him. There's surely nothing more frustrating than claiming publicly a belief in the existence of a loving, caring God who doesn't seem to care much about anyone other than those who believe in Him ... or in an all powerful God who clearly lacks the power to do many things. Matt10
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Post by maryhig on Feb 21, 2015 19:51:59 GMT -5
It's not to do with just my life problems, we all have them. I have proved in my life he is there. Not just when I'm in trouble either! I was looking at my grandson this morning, he's only a baby. We were all running round after him, cleaning, cooking getting him clothes etc. And he was oblivious to it all. And I thought that's what God is like with us, we don't see all the things he is doing in the background. All my grandson cares about is if that his mum or dad is there. I thought that's why Jesus said you have to become as a little child to enter into the kingdom. God wants us innocent again not caring about worldly things but caring about him. Do you really believe that when we die that there is nothing? You can see when someone dies that something had left their body. We can't come from nothing! You can't just have a big bang and everything just happens! I believe a whole lot differently than a lot of Christians. I don't believe there is one religion to get to God, or that Jesus had to die on a cross for me, or that Adam was the first man on earth. I don't believe Jesus is god and I don't believe you're saved by just saying you believe. I believe God loves us all and wants us all and we have to have faith before he opens our eyes and ears. That's how I believe and you will believe what you will and God gives us that freewill to choose what we will You may have proved in your life that He is there but the trouble with believers is that while they can prove to themselves that He is there, they can't prove it to anyone else. This leaves one open to the suspicion that He isn't really there at all, but rather that the believers belief that He is there is merely a conclusion drawn as a result of warm fuzzy feelings or thoughts they've been conditioned to thinking. Despite a number of posts on this thread there is still not a single example that shows that God really is good which is surely remarkable givien the title. Believing that God is good or believing that God loves us is all very well but if all we can come up with to support such claims is a few dubious lines from an old book, well such beliefs don't really mean anything. While beliefs are interesting in themselves, they don't really mean very much without something tangible to back them up. DMG believes that God doesn't exist, you believe that God loves us and is good while I believe God exists but that He doesn't give a hoot about any of us. How do we persuade anyone that our particular belief is the right one? What makes your belief any more valid than that of anyone else? I've no doubt that your God exists for you but that doesn't mean he exists for DMG or anyone else. Your God may care about you but that doesn't put mean that He cares about me or DMG and we certainly haven't seen any evidence. My God couldn't care less if I lay down and died and I kinda like that about Him. There's surely nothing more frustrating than claiming publicly a belief in the existence of a loving, caring God who doesn't seem to care much about anyone other than those who believe in Him ... or in an all powerful God who clearly lacks the power to do many things. Matt10 Matt10 The question was "Have you experienced the goodness of God?, " and I answered it! DMG as you call her, questioned me, as did snow. I'm not trying to persuade anyone to believe. I just said I do. I also said we all have freewill and have to make our own choices. What do you expect me to do when someone asks me a question or quotes on something I've said, do you expect me to sit there and shut up because it frustrates you that I say I believe in God, I don't think so! As far as fuzzy feelings go, it would take a whole lot more than that to persuade me and I could never prove it to you either! It's not for me to prove that God's there, only God can do that! If people don't believe then they don't believe, that's their choice. But i do, if it offends you so be it. Bubbles asked a question I answered! If you don't like it then ignore it!
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Post by xna on Feb 21, 2015 20:31:26 GMT -5
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Post by bubbles on Feb 21, 2015 20:48:02 GMT -5
Goodness to me covers non believers and when I have told some of my experiences standing on scripture and not wavering in faith. People who dont know me will state 'it didnt happen.' Because it isnt documented in a book or 'proven'by their standards. If your life experience and mind sets are different who am I to persuade anyone otherwise. I dont do persuasion. It is a pointless waste of energy.
The 'almighty power of the universe' whom even scientists acknowledge is intelligent. He who we call father, lord, our king,divine holy spirit. He is our healer deliverer and refuge.
When people acknowledge and appreciate goodness and where it comes from it is personal, has meaning. Nothing to do with fluffy fuzzy emotions. If some have to disagree because of reason v faith. Thats your line. I can accept that.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 21, 2015 21:39:54 GMT -5
You may have proved in your life that He is there but the trouble with believers is that while they can prove to themselves that He is there, they can't prove it to anyone else. This leaves one open to the suspicion that He isn't really there at all, but rather that the believers belief that He is there is merely a conclusion drawn as a result of warm fuzzy feelings or thoughts they've been conditioned to thinking. Despite a number of posts on this thread there is still not a single example that shows that God really is good which is surely remarkable givien the title. Believing that God is good or believing that God loves us is all very well but if all we can come up with to support such claims is a few dubious lines from an old book, well such beliefs don't really mean anything. While beliefs are interesting in themselves, they don't really mean very much without something tangible to back them up. DMG believes that God doesn't exist, you believe that God loves us and is good while I believe God exists but that He doesn't give a hoot about any of us. How do we persuade anyone that our particular belief is the right one? What makes your belief any more valid than that of anyone else? I've no doubt that your God exists for you but that doesn't mean he exists for DMG or anyone else. Your God may care about you but that doesn't put mean that He cares about me or DMG and we certainly haven't seen any evidence. My God couldn't care less if I lay down and died and I kinda like that about Him. There's surely nothing more frustrating than claiming publicly a belief in the existence of a loving, caring God who doesn't seem to care much about anyone other than those who believe in Him ... or in an all powerful God who clearly lacks the power to do many things. Matt10 Matt10, The question was "Have you experienced the goodness of God?, " and I answered it! DMG as you call her, questioned me, as did snow. I'm not trying to persuade anyone to believe. I just said I do. I also said we all have freewill and have to make our own choices. What do you expect me to do when someone asks me a question or quotes on something I've said, do you expect me to sit there and shut up because it frustrates you that I say I believe in God, I don't think so!marihuana As far as fuzzy feelings go, it would take a whole lot more than that to persuade me and I could never prove it to you either! It's not for me to prove that God's there, only God can do that! If people don't believe then they don't believe, that's their choice. But i do, if it offends you so be it. Bubbles asked a question I answered! If you don't like it then ignore it! I'm sorry to hear your reaction to Matt. It is typical of so many reactions when people are queried about why they believe as they so.
Neither Matt nor any of us "expect you to sit there and shut up"
Why do you think that I would be "frustrated" about what you believe?
I am not "frustrated" nor "offended" by peoples continued belief in a god . I went through my reasoning a long time ago and am quite content & happy with my conclusion.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 21, 2015 21:48:01 GMT -5
That a great one! Thanks!
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 21, 2015 21:57:19 GMT -5
Goodness to me covers non believers and when I have told some of my experiences standing on scripture and not wavering in faith. People who dont know me will state 'it didnt happen.' Because it isnt documented in a book or 'proven'by their standards. If your life experience and mind sets are different who am I to persuade anyone otherwise. I dont do persuasion. It is a pointless waste of energy. The 'almighty power of the universe' whom even scientists acknowledge is intelligent. He who we call father, lord, our king,divine holy spirit. He is our healer deliverer and refuge. When people acknowledge and appreciate goodness and where it comes from it is personal, has meaning. Nothing to do with fluffy fuzzy emotions. If some have to disagree because of reason v faith. Thats your line. I can accept that. OOPS. Wait, bubbles!
You said that The 'almighty power of the universe' whom even scientists acknowledge is intelligent.
That's NOT "scientists" line.
I have to smile when I see people who want their faith backed up with "science"!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 22:02:40 GMT -5
You may have proved in your life that He is there but the trouble with believers is that while they can prove to themselves that He is there, they can't prove it to anyone else. This leaves one open to the suspicion that He isn't really there at all, but rather that the believers belief that He is there is merely a conclusion drawn as a result of warm fuzzy feelings or thoughts they've been conditioned to thinking. Despite a number of posts on this thread there is still not a single example that shows that God really is good which is surely remarkable givien the title. Believing that God is good or believing that God loves us is all very well but if all we can come up with to support such claims is a few dubious lines from an old book, well such beliefs don't really mean anything. While beliefs are interesting in themselves, they don't really mean very much without something tangible to back them up. DMG believes that God doesn't exist, you believe that God loves us and is good while I believe God exists but that He doesn't give a hoot about any of us. How do we persuade anyone that our particular belief is the right one? What makes your belief any more valid than that of anyone else? I've no doubt that your God exists for you but that doesn't mean he exists for DMG or anyone else. Your God may care about you but that doesn't put mean that He cares about me or DMG and we certainly haven't seen any evidence. My God couldn't care less if I lay down and died and I kinda like that about Him. There's surely nothing more frustrating than claiming publicly a belief in the existence of a loving, caring God who doesn't seem to care much about anyone other than those who believe in Him ... or in an all powerful God who clearly lacks the power to do many things. Matt10 Matt10 The question was "Have you experienced the goodness of God?, " and I answered it! DMG as you call her, questioned me, as did snow. I'm not trying to persuade anyone to believe. I just said I do. I also said we all have freewill and have to make our own choices. What do you expect me to do when someone asks me a question or quotes on something I've said, do you expect me to sit there and shut up because it frustrates you that I say I believe in God, I don't think so! As far as fuzzy feelings go, it would take a whole lot more than that to persuade me and I could never prove it to you either! It's not for me to prove that God's there, only God can do that! If people don't believe then they don't believe, that's their choice. But i do, if it offends you so be it. Bubbles asked a question I answered! If you don't like it then ignore it! as you see from following posts you have now become an aggressor and from now on you will be given questions about what you believe which will have the intention of tripping you up even though the people asking the question-s may not intend them to do so the power which causes that comes from elsewhere
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 22, 2015 1:02:03 GMT -5
Matt10 The question was "Have you experienced the goodness of God?, " and I answered it! DMG as you call her, questioned me, as did snow. I'm not trying to persuade anyone to believe. I just said I do. I also said we all have freewill and have to make our own choices. What do you expect me to do when someone asks me a question or quotes on something I've said, do you expect me to sit there and shut up because it frustrates you that I say I believe in God, I don't think so! As far as fuzzy feelings go, it would take a whole lot more than that to persuade me and I could never prove it to you either! It's not for me to prove that God's there, only God can do that! If people don't believe then they don't believe, that's their choice. But i do, if it offends you so be it. Bubbles asked a question I answered! If you don't like it then ignore it! as you see from following posts you have now become an aggressor and from now on you will be given questions about what you believe which will have the intention of tripping you up even though the people asking the question-s may not intend them to do so the power which causes that comes from elsewhere So, yet another question, virgo. Well more actually.
Why has she become an "aggressor?"
Why would anyone want to "trip" her up?
What power?
Where does it come from?
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Post by bubbles on Feb 22, 2015 2:09:07 GMT -5
Virgo
Phil 4:8 "Finally brothers and sisters whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable, if anything is excellent or praiseworthy,think about such things. Whatever you have learned or recieved, whatever you have heard from me or seen in me. Put it into practice.And the god of peace will be with you."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 2:46:02 GMT -5
Matt10 The question was "Have you experienced the goodness of God?, " and I answered it! DMG as you call her, questioned me, as did snow. I'm not trying to persuade anyone to believe. I just said I do. I also said we all have freewill and have to make our own choices. What do you expect me to do when someone asks me a question or quotes on something I've said, do you expect me to sit there and shut up because it frustrates you that I say I believe in God, I don't think so! As far as fuzzy feelings go, it would take a whole lot more than that to persuade me and I could never prove it to you either! It's not for me to prove that God's there, only God can do that! If people don't believe then they don't believe, that's their choice. But i do, if it offends you so be it. Bubbles asked a question I answered! If you don't like it then ignore it! I'm not quite sure how you came to the conclusion that I am either frustrated or offended but there you go. I assume you're not suggesting that one shouldn't be entitled to comment on claims made on a public forum. I do have to disagree with you though on your claim that one chooses to believe or disbelieve. I don't think one chooses to believe or disbelieve in God. For example, I don't think you could choose to stop believing in your God any more than the likes of DMG could choose to start to believe in Him. I should point out that I have no difficulty at all with your beliefs. The only difficulty I have is with people claiming here that their belief is the only true belief, or that there is only one true God and that is their God, or that only they have a true understanding of God, or that only their religious book is the true word of God but then are unable to back such claims up. Matt10
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