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Post by maryhig on Feb 23, 2015 16:08:34 GMT -5
But that's up to them, I believe in God and that's right for me. Everyone has a choice, if some choose not to believe then that's their choice! Belief is not a choice. If you really tried could you believe I was god? Crikey o'reilly I don't think I'll be trying that one too quickly lol :-). And yes you do have a choice. Choose you this day whom you will serve Joshua 24:15.
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Post by bubbles on Feb 23, 2015 16:09:20 GMT -5
Ratz you believe in your non belief as strongly as I believe in a higher power.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 16:41:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure what your beliefs are but may I challenge you to choose to start to believe in Allah for the next few days. Once you have started to believe in Allah come back here and we can have a conversation about why Allah is the only true God. What do you say? Matt10 Well, I have no real percentage in choosing to believe in "Allah". But, if I did, I could. I'm pretty clear on that point. That seems a bit like ..... I could fly to the moon if I wanted to but I wouldn't want to go there. If I did want to go there, I could fly to the moon tomorrow. I've no doubt about that. Matt10
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Post by SharonArnold on Feb 23, 2015 17:30:21 GMT -5
Well, I have no real percentage in choosing to believe in "Allah". But, if I did, I could. I'm pretty clear on that point. That seems a bit like ..... I could fly to the moon if I wanted to but I wouldn't want to go there. If I did want to go there, I could fly to the moon tomorrow. I've no doubt about that. Matt10 To my mind, we choose our beliefs all the time, unless we are very young or very damaged. Most of us (not all) choose beliefs that are somewhat in line with the basic laws of the material universe, our socio-economic reality, and normally shared with at least some other people we know. There is nothing magical about choosing a belief. You simply focus more on the things that would support that belief (perhaps gather some people around who also share that belief) and focus less on the things that would not support that belief. We do this all the time, over small things in life, over larger things in life. Whether we are particularly aware of it or not. Do you think we have any ability to choose the thoughts we think? What is a belief, other than a thought that you think over and over again? I'm dumbfounded that we are even having this conversation and I keep wondering if there is something that I am misunderstanding here? To my mind, the fact that we choose our beliefs is almost self-evident. If we don't choose them, who does? If we don't choose them, why do we not all believe the same thing?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 23, 2015 17:45:53 GMT -5
People do and can choose It is our right.
If we didnt have a choice you wouldnt be atheist. Im begining to think atheisism is a religion. That is the point why atheism not a religion.
It really isn't a choice because how could you just decide or "choose" to believe something for which there isn't any evidence?
Would you choose to believe that there really is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow even after if you tried to find the end of the rainbow and you couldn't even find the end of the rainbow let alone any pot of gold?
Of course it would be your right to believe it and I personally would fight for your right to believe it as long as you didn't dig up my garden or kill my cat trying to find that gold!
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Post by SharonArnold on Feb 23, 2015 17:54:54 GMT -5
“The most important decision we make is whether we believe we live in a friendly or hostile universe.” ― Albert Einstein
Is this not an example of a belief that we all choose? Yes, our parents, our early conditioning and life experiences may influence which one we lean towards, but it is ultimately our choice.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 23, 2015 18:00:45 GMT -5
That seems a bit like ..... I could fly to the moon if I wanted to but I wouldn't want to go there. If I did want to go there, I could fly to the moon tomorrow. I've no doubt about that. Matt10 To my mind, we choose our beliefs all the time, unless we are very young or very damaged. Most of us (not all) choose beliefs that are somewhat in line with the basic laws of the material universe, our socio-economic reality, and normally shared with at least some other people we know. There is nothing magical about choosing a belief. You simply focus more on the things that would support that belief (perhaps gather some people around who also share that belief) and focus less on the things that would not support that belief. We do this all the time, over small things in life, over larger things in life. Whether we are particularly aware of it or not. Do you think we have any ability to choose the thoughts we think? What is a belief, other than a thought that you think over and over again? I'm dumbfounded that we are even having this conversation and I keep wondering if there is something that I am misunderstanding here? To my mind, the fact that we choose our beliefs is almost self-evident. If we don't choose them, who does? If we don't choose them, why do we not all believe the same thing? WOW! That is one of the best definitions I've heard of why people believe certain religious doctrine. Thanks Sharon! I'm keeping that one for future reference. "You simply focus more on the things that would support that belief (perhaps gather some people around who also share that belief) and focus less on the things that would not support that belief. "
"Gathering folks around you" is the very point of evangelism.
The more people you get to believe what you say, the more you re-enforce your own belief.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 23, 2015 18:11:39 GMT -5
“The most important decision we make is whether we believe we live in a friendly or hostile universe.” ― Albert Einstein Is this not an example of a belief that we all choose? Yes, our parents, our early conditioning and life experiences may influence which one we lean towards, but it is ultimately our choice. The good thing is that we don't have to continue to believe what our parents, & our early conditioning caused to believe.
It really wasn't much of choice.
A lot depended on what part of the world we lived in, our race, our economic circumstances; all factors of which we had no choice.
They were just there.
Luckily we have a brain that thinks.
All we have to do is think about what makes sense & what doesn't.
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Post by maryhig on Feb 23, 2015 18:24:56 GMT -5
People do and can choose It is our right.
If we didnt have a choice you wouldnt be atheist. Im begining to think atheisism is a religion. That is the point why atheism not a religion.
It really isn't a choice because how could you just decide or "choose" to believe something for which there isn't any evidence?
Would you choose to believe that there really is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow even after if you tried to find the end of the rainbow and you couldn't even find the end of the rainbow let alone any pot of gold?
Of course it would be your right to believe it and I personally would fight for your right to believe it as long as you didn't dig up my garden or kill my cat trying to find that gold!
FAO DMG:-
See here's the thing, you don't see because you don't believe so your eyes are blind and your ears don't hear, you don't believe because you choose not to. So you won't have any evidence because your heart is closed.
I choose to believe and have had plenty of evidence because God has opened my heart!
One day we will step out of our bodies and meet him. What will you say then? Just wondering because I have always wondered if an atheist ever wonders what they will do in that situation? Maybe you will say you don't think about it because you don't believe. But somewhere in your heart you must be curious to know if there is anything after this life? Just wondering!
I read the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, and one thing I know. I don't want there to be a gulf between me and God. So I'm getting myself right now, whilst I'm here!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 18:48:55 GMT -5
People do and can choose It is our right.
If we didnt have a choice you wouldnt be atheist. Im begining to think atheisism is a religion. That is the point why atheism not a religion.
It really isn't a choice because how could you just decide or "choose" to believe something for which there isn't any evidence?
Would you choose to believe that there really is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow even after if you tried to find the end of the rainbow and you couldn't even find the end of the rainbow let alone any pot of gold?
Of course it would be your right to believe it and I personally would fight for your right to believe it as long as you didn't dig up my garden or kill my cat trying to find that gold!
Goodness gracious! You have gold hidden in your garden guarded by a cat??? Wow!!
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Post by xna on Feb 23, 2015 19:14:27 GMT -5
Can we choose to believe?? From the philosophical understanding my brain chose: Indirect Doxastic Voluntarism IS TRUE www.iep.utm.edu/doxa-vol/From cognitive neuroscience understanding my brain chose: our brain chooses, then we become aware. Isn't it disconcerting to learn that the brain makes decisions prior to getting our authorization. Yes the understanding of the way our thoughts and beliefs work has changed a lot in the recent years. I suspect this understanding will change the criminal justice system dramatically in the next decade. I also find it interesting that for the Christian the goal is zero doubt and 100% certainty., whereas in science nothing is 100% certain and everything is provisional to new and better data. Science continues to revise based on new findings and self correct while dogma is fixed. As we sang the same yesterday today & forever.
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Post by snow on Feb 23, 2015 19:33:52 GMT -5
People don and can choose It is our right. If we didnt have a choice you wouldnt be atheist. Im begining to think atheisism is a religion. Bubbles, you know better then that. I do not have a choice when it comes to my non-belief in God. I would be fooling myself if I tried to believe there was a God. I could never derive comfort out of trying to fool myself. It quite literally is not possible to believe in God if you don't. There is no choice in it. I'm being completely straight with you. You have no idea how many times I would have liked to believe that an all powerful being loved me and would take care of me, and comfort me. But it's just not there, it's not possible. When my son almost died I remember wishing there was a God so I could pray to him to help me and my son. Even in that extreme situation I knew there was no one there to help me. Truly, it is not a choice.
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Post by snow on Feb 23, 2015 19:46:24 GMT -5
FAO DMG:- See here's the thing, you don't see because you don't believe so your eyes are blind and your ears don't hear, you don't believe because you choose not to. So you won't have any evidence because your heart is closed. I choose to believe and have had plenty of evidence because God has opened my heart! One day we will step out of our bodies and meet him. What will you say then? Just wondering because I have always wondered if an atheist ever wonders what they will do in that situation? Maybe you will say you don't think about it because you don't believe. But somewhere in your heart you must be curious to know if there is anything after this life? Just wondering! I read the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, and one thing I know. I don't want there to be a gulf between me and God. So I'm getting myself right now, whilst I'm here! That is the point why atheism not a religion.
It really isn't a choice because how could you just decide or "choose" to believe something for which there isn't any evidence?
Would you choose to believe that there really is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow even after if you tried to find the end of the rainbow and you couldn't even find the end of the rainbow let alone any pot of gold?
Of course it would be your right to believe it and I personally would fight for your right to believe it as long as you didn't dig up my garden or kill my cat trying to find that gold!
Maryhig, that story of Lazarus and the rich man is one reason I quit professing. I cannot imagine being in heaven with a front row seat watching people in hell suffering and not being able to do anything about it. That would be hell for me. I was 12 so my reasoning was pretty simplistic at that point. Since then I thankfully came to realize heaven and hell are constructs of religion and were not a teaching within Christianity until later on in it's evolution to what you see today. Doesn't that story bother you? It truly makes me sick, yet people bring it up time after time and say how they hope to be on the right side of the divide? How horrifying that would be actually.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 23, 2015 20:02:07 GMT -5
That is the point why atheism not a religion.
It really isn't a choice because how could you just decide or "choose" to believe something for which there isn't any evidence?
Would you choose to believe that there really is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow even after if you tried to find the end of the rainbow and you couldn't even find the end of the rainbow let alone any pot of gold?
Of course it would be your right to believe it and I personally would fight for your right to believe it as long as you didn't dig up my garden or kill my cat trying to find that gold!
Goodness gracious! You have gold hidden in your garden guarded by a cat??? Wow!! TWO cats, a yard full of ghosts of cats! Enter at your peril!
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Post by bubbles on Feb 23, 2015 20:42:16 GMT -5
People don and can choose It is our right. If we didnt have a choice you wouldnt be atheist. Im begining to think atheisism is a religion. Bubbles, you know better then that. I do not have a choice when it comes to my non-belief in God. I would be fooling myself if I tried to believe there was a God. I could never derive comfort out of trying to fool myself. It quite literally is not possible to believe in God if you don't. There is no choice in it. I'm being completely straight with you. You have no idea how many times I would have liked to believe that an all powerful being loved me and would take care of me, and comfort me. But it's just not there, it's not possible. When my son almost died I remember wishing there was a God so I could pray to him to help me and my son. Even in that extreme situation I knew there was no one there to help me. Truly, it is not a choice. I dont mind you being straight with me. I thought you were agnostic rather than atheist. Atheists defend their position on a regular basis. Why do they feel they need to do that? Snow I dont know the answer for you. It grieves me that you have suffered the way you have.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 23, 2015 21:08:50 GMT -5
<abbr class="time" title="Feb 23, 2015 17:24:56 GMT -6" data-timestamp="1424733896000">Feb 23, 2015 17:24:56 GMT -6</abbr> FAO DMG:-
See here's the thing, you don't see because you don't believe so your eyes are blind and your ears don't hear, you don't believe because you choose not to. So you won't have any evidence because your heart is closed.
I choose to believe and have had plenty of evidence because God has opened my heart!
One day we will step out of our bodies and meet him.
What will you say then? Just wondering because I have always wondered if an atheist ever wonders what they will do in that situation? Maybe you will say you don't think about it because you don't believe. But somewhere in your heart you must be curious to know if there is anything after this life? Just wondering!
I read the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, and one thing I know. I don't want there to be a gulf between me and God. So I'm getting myself right now, whilst I'm here! maryhig said: "you don't see because you don't believe so your eyes are blind and your ears don't hear, you don't believe because you choose not to. So you won't have any evidence because your heart is closed."
To which I say baloney!
I may have believed the equivalent of such baloney once, but I never told any person that to their face. (or get into their own space as if they were the ones who said it as you did in my space)
Never-the-less, it is the standard argument of some Christians who can't prove their premises & have to resort to such judgement.
Why would I wonder what I will do if One day "I stepped out of my body," -When I step out of my body, -the breath leaves my body, -time will cease for me, there won't be another "day" for me. end. finis
No, I am not curious to know if there is anything after this life.
Why would I when I have worked through all wishful thinking long ago?
Tomorrow I'll be 83 and actually in such good health that I worry I might live TOO long! I really don't want to live so long that I am frail & have lost my "marbles"
I am certainly more concerned about my life NOW than I am about any "after" life!
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 23, 2015 21:16:29 GMT -5
Bubbles, you know better then that. I do not have a choice when it comes to my non-belief in God. I would be fooling myself if I tried to believe there was a God. I could never derive comfort out of trying to fool myself. It quite literally is not possible to believe in God if you don't. There is no choice in it. I'm being completely straight with you. You have no idea how many times I would have liked to believe that an all powerful being loved me and would take care of me, and comfort me. But it's just not there, it's not possible. When my son almost died I remember wishing there was a God so I could pray to him to help me and my son. Even in that extreme situation I knew there was no one there to help me. Truly, it is not a choice. I dont mind you being straight with me. I thought you were agnostic rather than atheist. Atheists defend their position on a regular basis. Why do they feel they need to do that? Snow I dont know the answer for you. It grieves me that you have suffered the way you have. Christians defend their position on a regular basis. Why do they feel they need to do that?
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Post by xna on Feb 23, 2015 21:21:39 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Feb 23, 2015 22:10:03 GMT -5
Bubbles, you know better then that. I do not have a choice when it comes to my non-belief in God. I would be fooling myself if I tried to believe there was a God. I could never derive comfort out of trying to fool myself. It quite literally is not possible to believe in God if you don't. There is no choice in it. I'm being completely straight with you. You have no idea how many times I would have liked to believe that an all powerful being loved me and would take care of me, and comfort me. But it's just not there, it's not possible. When my son almost died I remember wishing there was a God so I could pray to him to help me and my son. Even in that extreme situation I knew there was no one there to help me. Truly, it is not a choice. I dont mind you being straight with me. I thought you were agnostic rather than atheist. Atheists defend their position on a regular basis. Why do they feel they need to do that? Snow I dont know the answer for you. It grieves me that you have suffered the way you have. I am agnostic. I do believe it is possible that there is an intelligent superior being that had something to do with the universe. In that way I'm agnostic. But as far as a supernatural being that judges, sends people to hell or lets them into heaven, cares one iota about anything that it created, then I'm definitely an atheist. I have no way of choosing to believe something like that. It just isn't possible as much as I would love to be able to count on a loving parent figure. I think most atheists would change their minds if there was just some evidence. But there is no evidence that I can see. I see more evidence that things happen randomly, sometimes they are wonderful and sometimes they are horrific and most of the time somewhere inbetween. I don't see atheists defending their position as much as I see them having to explain over and over to theists that atheism is not a belief and it's not a religion. It's not a choice. It just is a lack of concrete evidence and once that hits you, that aha moment, the door opens and you step through it. Once you have fully comprehended there can't possibly be a being like that, it's impossible to try to change your mind about it. When I first realized it wasn't possible I struggled with it. I finally gave up because I know I can never go back to that belief. But in some ways its a good trade off because you become very strong within yourself. When you know 'you are it' and it's only you that can make it, or change things etc., and then you do, it's a really good feeling to not be dependent on a God that may or may not answer your prayer whenever it decides to. Hugs bubbles and thanks for caring so much.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 23, 2015 23:53:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 3:14:35 GMT -5
Yes, many happy returns on your birthday dimmichgood. 83 and still a warrior,eh!!!!
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 24, 2015 3:46:21 GMT -5
Yes, many happy returns on your birthday dimmichgood. 83 and still a warrior,eh!!!! Thank you, partaker!
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Post by maryhig on Feb 24, 2015 4:09:02 GMT -5
<abbr class="time" title="Feb 23, 2015 17:24:56 GMT -6" data-timestamp="1424733896000">Feb 23, 2015 17:24:56 GMT -6</abbr> FAO DMG:-
See here's the thing, you don't see because you don't believe so your eyes are blind and your ears don't hear, you don't believe because you choose not to. So you won't have any evidence because your heart is closed.
I choose to believe and have had plenty of evidence because God has opened my heart!
One day we will step out of our bodies and meet him.
What will you say then? Just wondering because I have always wondered if an atheist ever wonders what they will do in that situation? Maybe you will say you don't think about it because you don't believe. But somewhere in your heart you must be curious to know if there is anything after this life? Just wondering!
I read the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, and one thing I know. I don't want there to be a gulf between me and God. So I'm getting myself right now, whilst I'm here! maryhig said: "you don't see because you don't believe so your eyes are blind and your ears don't hear, you don't believe because you choose not to. So you won't have any evidence because your heart is closed."
To which I say baloney!
I may have believed the equivalent of such baloney once, but I never told any person that to their face. (or get into their own space as if they were the ones who said it as you did in my space)
Never-the-less, it is the standard argument of some Christians who can't prove their premises & have to resort to such judgement.
Why would I wonder what I will do if One day "I stepped out of my body," -When I step out of my body, -the breath leaves my body, -time will cease for me, there won't be another "day" for me. end. finis
No, I am not curious to know if there is anything after this life.
Why would I when I have worked through all wishful thinking long ago?
Tomorrow I'll be 83 and actually in such good health that I worry I might live TOO long! I really don't want to live so long that I am frail & have lost my "marbles"
I am certainly more concerned about my life NOW than I am about any "after" life!
Well at least you admit you may step out of your body one day :thumbup: The thing is I hope and pray I don't step out of my body dead as you say you will, but alive in God! And happy birthday I hope you have many more ahead of you and I'm glad you've been blessed with good health
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Post by maryhig on Feb 24, 2015 4:55:28 GMT -5
FAO DMG:- See here's the thing, you don't see because you don't believe so your eyes are blind and your ears don't hear, you don't believe because you choose not to. So you won't have any evidence because your heart is closed. I choose to believe and have had plenty of evidence because God has opened my heart! One day we will step out of our bodies and meet him. What will you say then? Just wondering because I have always wondered if an atheist ever wonders what they will do in that situation? Maybe you will say you don't think about it because you don't believe. But somewhere in your heart you must be curious to know if there is anything after this life? Just wondering! I read the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, and one thing I know. I don't want there to be a gulf between me and God. So I'm getting myself right now, whilst I'm here! That is the point why atheism not a religion.
It really isn't a choice because how could you just decide or "choose" to believe something for which there isn't any evidence?
Would you choose to believe that there really is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow even after if you tried to find the end of the rainbow and you couldn't even find the end of the rainbow let alone any pot of gold?
Of course it would be your right to believe it and I personally would fight for your right to believe it as long as you didn't dig up my garden or kill my cat trying to find that gold!
Maryhig, that story of Lazarus and the rich man is one reason I quit professing. I cannot imagine being in heaven with a front row seat watching people in hell suffering and not being able to do anything about it. That would be hell for me. I was 12 so my reasoning was pretty simplistic at that point. Since then I thankfully came to realize heaven and hell are constructs of religion and were not a teaching within Christianity until later on in it's evolution to what you see today. Doesn't that story bother you? It truly makes me sick, yet people bring it up time after time and say how they hope to be on the right side of the divide? How horrifying that would be actually. Snow, In that parable (which is what it is) it doesn't say anywhere that Lazarus can see the rich man suffering, It's the rich man seeing Lazarus. And he's in that way because of the hardness of his heart whilst he was alive. The rich man doesn't just mean rich in money but rich in God, and Lazarus being poor just needed a bit of help and a few words about God to help him. ( These are the crumbs) But the rich man walked by! Any man or woman who is rich in God and walks past anyone in need of help whether it be in the flesh or spiritually will be held accountable! Because we know better. In the bible Jesus didn't have harsh words for the people who didn't know. He forgave them and told them to sin no more. It was for the people that say they knew God that Jesus rebuked. Because they say they believed but didn't live it. And even turned people away from God. If you read Matthew 23. Jesus here is talking to the scribes and Pharisees, he is hard because they say they are God's people yet they are living wrong and teaching the people the wrong way. He calls them blind fools. Yet the woman caught in adultery he tells her that her sins are forgiven and not to sin anymore. This parable is for people like me who know God, not for people who don't know him. I know that what I do in my life I will be held accountable for. I'm glad Jesus told this parable because it makes me think about myself and about me getting my life right. And helping me open my eyes to the need of others. But just to touch on heaven and hell and feeling sorry for the people in hell. What about the people who are beheading children in Iraq. Or people who are abusing the innocents in vile ways. Or the people who led all those Jews including babies into the Gas chambers. Etc. Etc. What about these people, a lot of them profess to know God like priests etc. And they go to church praying. This is just a cover for the vile things they do! So should they be sitting in heaven with Lazarus in Abrahams bosom. That gulf is there for a reason. It's to stop the children of heaven seeing the children of hell. Not the other way around. This can also happen whilst we are here on earth, God can help blind us to wickedness. If we let him in. Thats why Jesus says we have to become as little children to enter in. God wants an innocent heart within us and all that is corrupt gone.
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Post by rational on Feb 24, 2015 6:22:34 GMT -5
To my mind, we choose our beliefs all the time, unless we are very young or very damaged. Most of us (not all) choose beliefs that are somewhat in line with the basic laws of the material universe, our socio-economic reality, and normally shared with at least some other people we know. And there are some who cannot believe things that do not have some underlying verifiable support. It is not magical. How many reading here are able to focus on the things that do not support the theory of gravity to the extent they do not believe?Perhaps you do.Perhaps this would be a good place for some examples/ Up to a point, perhaps we do.That sounds like a belief that is supported by faith and therefore does not require any material or logical support/proof. It might be because your approach to life is not like everyone who is reading and posting here. Some are able to convince Themselves of various 'truths' or beliefs simply by thinking they are true over and over, never requiring any actual proof. Others need something more concrete. The observable facts? I learned about the development of the phlogiston theory but the observable facts do not support the theory. It would be difficult to believe such a theory in the light of the data that is currently available. When Wilson Key published Subliminal Seduction it seemed to be a well researched theory. I believed it and taught a course based on it for two semesters. However, as additional research was done into the matter it became clear that Key had not been as through as he had claimed. In the end, the bulk of his theory simply didn't stand up to scrutiny.Perhaps because some people, like yourself, believe things in spite of the facts that do not support their beliefs. For some the willing suspension of disbelief is easier than for others whether at a film or in everyday life.
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Post by rational on Feb 24, 2015 6:39:54 GMT -5
I choose to believe and have had plenty of evidence because God has opened my heart! Yet no one has been able to present this evidence to the general public and have it verified. Of course I have considered what happens after death. The evidence points to the fact that life and everything associated with the individual ends with death. A couple of questions. Would you want to spend eternity looking at and listening to the pain and suffering of the unfortunate? That does not sound very appealing to me. Will people have the bodies in the hereafter - water will be required? This description of the hereafter is at odds with many other descriptions. Why did you choose to believe this one above the others? **should have read Snow's post first.**
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Post by rational on Feb 24, 2015 6:55:54 GMT -5
But just to touch on heaven and hell and feeling sorry for the people in hell. What about the people who are beheading children in Iraq. Or people who are abusing the innocents in vile ways. Or the people who led all those Jews including babies into the Gas chambers. Etc. Etc. What about these people, a lot of them profess to know God like priests etc. And they go to church praying. This is just a cover for the vile things they do! So should they be sitting in heaven with Lazarus in Abrahams bosom. That gulf is there for a reason. It's to stop the children of heaven seeing the children of hell. Not the other way around. I was ot able to find any support for youe belief in the bible. In the story the people are conversing across the gulf. There is no mention that it is one way. As to the people doing vile things - did you ever wonder how god, an omniscient and omnipotent being, could stand by and allow a child to be abused? Was it to teach someone a lesson? Who? Why would being blind to wickedness be desirable? Rather than being blind to wickedness and ignoring it, with god's help, perhaps acknowledging it and taking steps to alleviate it would be a better course of action.
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Post by bubbles on Feb 24, 2015 7:09:44 GMT -5
Snow Im going to agree to disagree on some points. Hugs to you.
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