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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 22, 2015 3:30:34 GMT -5
Virgo Phil 4:8 "Finally brothers and sisters whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable, if anything is excellent or praiseworthy,think about such things. Whatever you have learned or recieved, whatever you have heard from me or seen in me. Put it into practice.And the god of peace will be with you." How does your post fit in with what virgo said? "as you see from following posts you have now become an aggressor and from now on you will be given questions about what you believe which will have the intention of tripping you up even though the people asking the question-s may not intend them to do so the power which causes that comes from elsewhere"
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 22, 2015 3:38:22 GMT -5
Matt10 The question was "Have you experienced the goodness of God?, " and I answered it! DMG as you call her, questioned me, as did snow. I'm not trying to persuade anyone to believe. I just said I do. I also said we all have freewill and have to make our own choices. What do you expect me to do when someone asks me a question or quotes on something I've said, do you expect me to sit there and shut up because it frustrates you that I say I believe in God, I don't think so! As far as fuzzy feelings go, it would take a whole lot more than that to persuade me and I could never prove it to you either! It's not for me to prove that God's there, only God can do that! If people don't believe then they don't believe, that's their choice. But i do, if it offends you so be it. Bubbles asked a question I answered! If you don't like it then ignore it! I'm not quite sure how you came to the conclusion that I am either frustrated or offended but there you go. I assume you're not suggesting that one shouldn't be entitled to comment on claims made on a public forum. I do have to disagree with you though on your claim that one chooses to believe or disbelieve. I don't think one chooses to believe or disbelieve in God.
For example, I don't think you could choose to stop believing in your God any more than the likes of DMG could choose to start to believe in Him. I should point out that I have no difficulty at all with your beliefs. The only difficulty I have is with people claiming here that their belief is the only true belief, or that there is only one true God and that is their God, or that only they have a true understanding of God, or that only their religious book is the true word of God but then are unable to back such claims up. Matt10 I agree, Matt, I didn't choose to to disbelieve in God.
I took a long hard look at the evidence for why I believed & begin to understand the mechanism behind why I did so.
I realized it simply didn't make any sense and that was it.
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Post by maryhig on Feb 22, 2015 4:37:00 GMT -5
Good morning from here in the uk! :-)
Hi Matt10
Quote: "There's surely nothing more frustrating than claiming publicly a belief in the existence of a loving caring God who doesn't seem to care much about anyone other than those who believe in him"
You have written this after I have said pubilcly that I believe in God after being asked in an open forum "Have you experienced the goodness of God!" I answered and have been questioned and have answered the questions. If you or others choose either not to believe or to believe in some kind of other God then thats entirely up to you!
DMG as I hope you don't mind me calling you, I never said once that I think you are frustrated by what I have written,
You have to believe in what you feel is right. I believe differently, I know he's there and as much as I would love to tell you my experiences I think it's best not to really looking at how quickly people on here get the knives out as soon as you mention anything about God. So I can imagine the consequences if I start openly putting my experiences on here each word would be dissected and thrown back at me! No thank you!
Lets just say I know from my personal experiences he's there!
Hi Virgo, Yes I'm beginning to see what you mean about being asked questions to trip people up. Just remember the story of the rod being turned into the serpent and what happened to pharoah's serpents! Or the story of David and Goliath. I'm not worried what people ask me. Or how they try to trip me up if they feel the need to do that to people. So be it! If people want to question me on my beliefs, that's fine with me, I'm honest and open. Thanks for warning me though :-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 12:05:41 GMT -5
God is there alright, and if indeed the world was started by a Big Bang, the "Big Bang" theory, then who do you think lit the fuse that caused the Big Bang? GOD of course, He said let there be light and there was light. LOL. Just joking so don't get any knickers in a twist.
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Post by maryhig on Feb 22, 2015 12:30:27 GMT -5
God is there alright, and if indeed the world was started by a Big Bang, the "Big Bang" theory, then who do you think lit the fuse that caused the Big Bang? GOD of course, He said let there be light and there was light. LOL. Just joking so don't get any knickers in a twist. Partaker, I've always thought that as you said God said let there be light. And scientists say the universe began with light! So yes it could be. You never know. Either way a big bang can't start from nothing at all. There has to be a great mind behind it all! :-) I was thinking about how people believe we just appeared from nothing. And then I thought of an empty house, and if left empty it crumbles so emptiness brings desolation. A bit like our hearts. So if the universe came from nothing it wouldn't expand it would collapse! So you know a great mind is behind it all. That great mind is God!
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Post by rational on Feb 22, 2015 14:01:36 GMT -5
Hi snow, There is only one God, but we have been given freewill. If there is only one god then why would an omniscient being write something like the first commandment? It would be a pointless commandment.
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Post by rational on Feb 22, 2015 14:09:07 GMT -5
Partaker, I've always thought that as you said God said let there be light. And scientists say the universe began with light! So yes it could be. You never know. Which scientists say that? Why do you believe this to be true? There are many examples of things happening without a cause.Now you are talking about entropy.No one believes that the universe came from nothing except the unlearned who populate the creationist sites. Because you don't understand it does not mean it isn't true.Sounds like this is what you believe. You have to know that this raises the same question as your belief - you believe that the universe cannot come from nothing without a creative force behind it. What was the creative force behind god?
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Post by maryhig on Feb 22, 2015 14:27:46 GMT -5
Partaker, I've always thought that as you said God said let there be light. And scientists say the universe began with light! So yes it could be. You never know. Which scientists say that? Why do you believe this to be true? There are many examples of things happening without a cause.Now you are talking about entropy.No one believes that the universe came from nothing except the unlearned who populate the creationist sites. Because you don't understand it does not mean it isn't true.Sounds like this is what you believe. You have to know that this raises the same question as your belief - you believe that the universe cannot come from nothing without a creative force behind it. What was the creative force behind god? Hi Rational, tell you what, you tell me how a universe can just begin from nothing whatsoever? I'd be very interested to hear your theory! As for the universe supposedly starting with light read this below, personally I believe God created everything. But as I keep saying others have to choose what they wish to believe! And scientists believe the big bang started with light. If you would like me to find you more info on this let me know and I will be glad to help! :thumbup: www.askamathematician.com/2012/06/q-how-can-we-see-the-early-universe-and-the-big-bang-shouldnt-the-light-have-already-passed-us/
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Post by xna on Feb 22, 2015 14:47:51 GMT -5
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Post by maryhig on Feb 22, 2015 14:55:04 GMT -5
Xna, scientists still say that the further they go back they still see light a far back as they are able to go. Would you like to explain to me how a universe came from nothing whatsoever and exploded onto the scene? I'm very interested!
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Post by maryhig on Feb 22, 2015 14:58:07 GMT -5
This is from that link you sent me :- As the Universe expanded after its origin in a Big Bang, the hot soup of fundamental particles (such as free protons and electrons) started to cool down. This allowed electrons and protons to pair up and form "neutral hydrogen atoms," (i.e. hydrogen atoms with one electron and one proton). This process of pairing up is called "Recombination" and it occurred about 400,000 years after the Big Bang. As the free electrons were now bound to protons, light could travel freely since it was no longer stopped by frequent scattering off the free electrons Can you please tell me what the origin of the big bang is? Don't know if you've noticed but light was travelling here too according to you're link
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Post by xna on Feb 22, 2015 15:02:09 GMT -5
Xna, scientists still say that the further they go back they still see light a far back as they are able to go. Would you like to explain to me how a universe came from nothing whatsoever and exploded onto the scene? I'm very interested! Nothing is known before Planck time 10-43 seconds. What is assumed is: All four forces were unified into one force. Mater, energy, space and time are presumed to have exploded outward from the original singularity. Nothing from science is known before Planck time.
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Post by xna on Feb 22, 2015 15:05:12 GMT -5
Can you please tell me what the origin of the big bang is? The origin of the big bang is unknown.
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Post by xna on Feb 22, 2015 15:07:04 GMT -5
Don't know if you've noticed but light was travelling here too according to you're link Yes light could have be seen after about 400 million years after the big bang
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Post by rational on Feb 22, 2015 15:11:05 GMT -5
Hi Rational, tell you what, you tell me how a universe can just begin from nothing whatsoever? I'd be very interested to hear your theory! No one knows how the universe began - yet. There are several theories. But no one is saying it came about from nothing so you question is a bit like me asking you how a tree could grow and produce a wooden chair. No one claims wooden chairs grow on trees. And I do not know of any scientist who claims the universe started from nothing. I did read it and no where did it say the universe started from light. That is why I asked you which scientists are claiming it did. Yes, I would like to know more about any scientist who has a theory that the universe started with light. Even the reference you provided does not posit light for 300,000 years following the big bang and I am pretty sure the definition of light being used might have been expanded to include the entire electromagnetic spectrum.
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Post by rational on Feb 22, 2015 15:21:58 GMT -5
Xna, scientists still say that the further they go back they still see light a far back as they are able to go. Would you like to explain to me how a universe came from nothing whatsoever and exploded onto the scene? I'm very interested! You keep saying the universe came from nothing. Since you are one of the very few claiming this perhaps you can support your claim. The universe did not explode onto the scene. It is the scene. Before you go much further down this road you might want to familiarize yourself with current concepts regarding the universe. There is a fairly good overview in wikipedia: The observable universe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 15:25:01 GMT -5
Gosh! There seems to be just as much confusion and disagreement in the scientific world as there is in the religeous world. There is one thing they have in common, neither side knows how and when the world, as we know it, will end.
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Post by rational on Feb 22, 2015 15:26:31 GMT -5
Don't know if you've noticed but light was travelling here too according to you're link Yes light could have be seen after about 400 million years after the big bang Let's remember that some of that light is actually never going to get here. The theory is that the expanding universe is about 2% larger than the observable universe. And keep in mind that the observable universe is not actually the universe we can observe today but the universe that we theoretically are/will be able to observe.
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Post by rational on Feb 22, 2015 15:36:42 GMT -5
Gosh! There seems to be just as much confusion and disagreement in the scientific world as there is in the religeous world. There is one thing they have in common, neither side knows how and when the world, as we know it, will end. I think one end point is about 1.2 billion years down the road when our sun runs out of hydrogen and increases in size and output, heating the earth from a mean of about 68 degrees to in excess of 160 degrees, evaporating the water and leaving the earth pretty much lifeless. Later on, in the 4.5 billion year range, the sun will collapse on itself and develop into a red giant, expanding out beyond the orbit of the earth. But there are probably a lot of things that can go wrong before that to end life on earth as we know it. One good whack from a passing chunk of space debris will also do the job and it could happen a lot sooner. Remember, it has happened in the past and the probability is high it will happen again. But you are right about not knowing the when for that case!
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Post by maryhig on Feb 22, 2015 15:50:24 GMT -5
I personally couldn't care less how the universe began, I'm more interested about getting myself right now whilst I'm here. But i found this :- www.everystudent.com/wires/universe.htmlIt's for teaching students about the big bang As I said I've got no interest, except for gazing at the stars that look beautiful in the heavens :-)
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Post by xna on Feb 22, 2015 16:00:47 GMT -5
Gosh! There seems to be just as much confusion and disagreement in the scientific world as there is in the religeous world. There is one thing they have in common, neither side knows how and when the world, as we know it, will end. National Academy of Scientists says it well www.nas.edu/evolution/Compatibility.html"Science is not the only way of knowing and understanding. But science is a way of knowing that differs from other ways in its dependence on empirical evidence and testable explanations. Science and religion are based on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations must be based on evidence drawn from examining the natural world. Scientifically based observations or experiments that conflict with an explanation eventually must lead to modification or even abandonment of that explanation.
Religious faith, in contrast, does not depend only on empirical evidence, is not necessarily modified in the face of conflicting evidence, and typically involves supernatural forces or entities. Because they are not a part of nature, supernatural entities cannot be investigated by science. In this sense, science and religion are separate and address aspects of human understanding in different ways. Attempts to pit science and religion against each other create controversy where none needs to exist."------------------------------------------------------- As for the end of the earth, science and religion have their similarities. Science expects sun will expand and engulf the earth. As for the end of the universe, I understand the leading theory is it all ends in a cold dark clinker. As for the bible, this is what comes to mind. "2 Peter 3: 10-13 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."
It's end times hasting that bother me most from this scripture.This also captured the distinction.
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Post by rational on Feb 22, 2015 16:07:47 GMT -5
I personally couldn't care less how the universe began, I'm more interested about getting myself right now whilst I'm here. But i found this :- www.everystudent.com/wires/universe.htmlIt's for teaching students about the big bang It's for teaching a creationist outlook.
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Post by xna on Feb 22, 2015 16:11:16 GMT -5
I personally couldn't care less how the universe began, I'm more interested about getting myself right now whilst I'm here. But i found this :- www.everystudent.com/wires/universe.htmlIt's for teaching students about the big bang As I said I've got no interest, except for gazing at the stars that look beautiful in the heavens :-) Look at the second line of the homepage www.everystudent.com "A Safe Place to Explore Questions About Life and God"If you teach children science from these sights it will disadvantaging them and harm mankind, better to look at the NASA site for real science. If schools teach religion it should be in history and literature and not pollute science.
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Post by maryhig on Feb 22, 2015 16:33:26 GMT -5
I personally couldn't care less how the universe began, I'm more interested about getting myself right now whilst I'm here. But i found this :- www.everystudent.com/wires/universe.htmlIt's for teaching students about the big bang As I said I've got no interest, except for gazing at the stars that look beautiful in the heavens :-) Look at the second line of the homepage www.everystudent.com "A Safe Place to Explore Questions About Life and God"If you teach children science from these sights it will disadvantaging them and harm mankind, better to look at the NASA site for real science. If schools teach religion it should be in history and literature and not pollute science. Xna I don't teach my children or grandchildren anything about science, I teach them about God!
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 22, 2015 16:42:56 GMT -5
DMG as I hope you don't mind me calling you, I never said once that I think you are frustrated by what I have written,
You have to believe in what you feel is right. I believe differently, I know he's there and as much as I would love to tell you my experiences I think it's best not to really looking at how quickly people on here get the knives out as soon as you mention anything about God. So I can imagine the consequences if I start openly putting my experiences on here each word would be dissected and thrown back at me! No thank you! Hi Virgo, Yes I'm beginning to see what you mean about being asked questions to trip people up. Just remember the story of the rod being turned into the serpent and what happened to pharoah's serpents! Or the story of David and Goliath. I'm not worried what people ask me. Or how they try to trip me up if they feel the need to do that to people. So be it! If people want to question me on my beliefs, that's fine with me, I'm honest and open. Thanks for warning me though :-) Maryhig, after I stated my beliefs, you did question my motivation as only doing so because I was "frustrated " or "offended" by your belief.
As far as "the knives coming out, as soon as you mention anything about God" I don't see what we said that would indicate that to be true.
After all, this board, TMB, -Truth meeting Board, is about the idea of god.
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Post by xna on Feb 22, 2015 16:53:11 GMT -5
Look at the second line of the homepage www.everystudent.com "A Safe Place to Explore Questions About Life and God"If you teach children science from these sights it will disadvantaging them and harm mankind, better to look at the NASA site for real science. If schools teach religion it should be in history and literature and not pollute science. Xna I don't teach my children or grandchildren anything about science, I teach them about God! Good to hear you don't mix the two subjects.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 22, 2015 17:07:20 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 22, 2015 17:13:01 GMT -5
Hi snow, There is only one God, but we have been given freewill. If there is only one god then why would an omniscient being write something like the first commandment? It would be a pointless commandment. Right!
"You shall have no other gods before Me."
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