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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 22:42:19 GMT -5
well if you don't want me to tell you anything don't ask who said I didn't want you to tell me anything? I answered you as honestly as I could. You accused me of not giving my life completely to God. Trouble is I did. So what do you say I did wrong? would you be as so kind as to show where i accused you of not giving your life completely to God this is what you posted So don't tell me about giving my life wholly to God
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Post by snow on Feb 1, 2015 22:47:19 GMT -5
who said I didn't want you to tell me anything? I answered you as honestly as I could. You accused me of not giving my life completely to God. Trouble is I did. So what do you say I did wrong? would you be as so kind as to show where i accused you of not giving your life completely to God this is what you posted So don't tell me about giving my life wholly to God Well you did tell me this 'you won't know until you are prepared to give your life wholly to God' which I took to mean you felt I have never been prepared to give my life wholly to God so I don't know. If I said that to you, how would you interpret it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 22:50:05 GMT -5
Why would anyone think that it was I who had been drinking?
They were your own statements, not mine! ( "i don't ask myself those questions" - "why would i need to?")
because you stated Very full of hubris how on earth [ i don't ask myself those questions - why would i need to] show extreme pride or self-confidence?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 1, 2015 23:20:07 GMT -5
Why would anyone think that it was I who had been drinking?
They were your own statements, not mine! ( "i don't ask myself those questions" - "why would i need to?")
because you stated Very full of hubris how on earth [ i don't ask myself those questions - why would i need to] show extreme pride or self-confidence? Oh, my!
I thought that would be obvious!
If one feels that they don't need to 'ask themselves those questions - that they don't need to' -then they must feel that they know it all already!
Seems to me that shows 'extreme pride or self-confidence.' Hubris, in other words!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 23:49:09 GMT -5
because you stated Very full of hubris how on earth [ i don't ask myself those questions - why would i need to] show extreme pride or self-confidence? Oh, my!
I thought that would be obvious!
If one feels that they don't need to 'ask themselves those questions - that they don't need to' -then they must feel that they know it all already!
Seems to me that shows 'extreme pride or self-confidence.' Hubris, in other words!
oh well all i can think is that you have been on the turps there is no other explanation for your self-righteousness because i know that you think you know it all. sad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 23:50:35 GMT -5
would you be as so kind as to show where i accused you of not giving your life completely to God this is what you posted So don't tell me about giving my life wholly to God Well you did tell me this 'you won't know until you are prepared to give your life wholly to God' which I took to mean you felt I have never been prepared to give my life wholly to God so I don't know. If I said that to you, how would you interpret it? but you wrote that you had given your life completely to God, so why wouldn't i believe that?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 2, 2015 0:14:05 GMT -5
Oh, my!
I thought that would be obvious!
If one feels that they don't need to 'ask themselves those questions - that they don't need to' -then they must feel that they know it all already!
Seems to me that shows 'extreme pride or self-confidence.' Hubris, in other words!
oh well all i can think is that you have been on the turps there is no other explanation for your self-righteousness because i know that you think you know it all. sad. How could I be "self-righteous" since I was the one who didn't feel that I knew all the answers?
I asked myself a lot of questions.
You make a rather bold statement that about me, "i know that you think you know it all." when you really don't know me at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 1:38:43 GMT -5
oh well all i can think is that you have been on the turps there is no other explanation for your self-righteousness because i know that you think you know it all. sad. How could I be "self-righteous" since I was the one who didn't feel that I knew all the answers?
I asked myself a lot of questions.
You make a rather bold statement that about me, "i know that you think you know it all." when you really don't know me at all.in your answers you make it very plain to others they know nothing especially those of the fellowship then treat their answers with contempt
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 2, 2015 2:30:15 GMT -5
How could I be "self-righteous" since I was the one who didn't feel that I knew all the answers?
I asked myself a lot of questions.
You make a rather bold statement that about me, "i know that you think you know it all." when you really don't know me at all. in your answers you make it very plain to others they know nothing, especially those of the fellowship, then treat their answers with contempt You don't seem to know that I was Born & raised, & "professed" at 12 & continued for approximately 40 years.
I therefore consider that I know quite a bit more than you might think. I have family & friends still in.
I do NOT have "contempt" for them or anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 3:15:42 GMT -5
in your answers you make it very plain to others they know nothing, especially those of the fellowship, then treat their answers with contempt You don't seem to know that I was Born & raised, & "professed" at 12 & continued for approximately 40 years.
I therefore consider that I know quite a bit more than you might think. I have family & friends still in.
I do NOT have "contempt" for them or anyone else.
ok whatever i'm not really interested
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 3:21:26 GMT -5
Quote - "I therefore consider that I know quite a bit more than you might think."
But Dmmichgood, didn't you say that the Old Testament was all about a bunch of guys inventing a religion to justify looting, raping and colonizing other people's land?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 2, 2015 3:40:50 GMT -5
Quote - "I therefore consider that I know quite a bit more than you might think." But Dmmichgood, didn't you say that the Old Testament was all about a bunch of guys inventing a religion to justify looting, raping and colonizing other people's land? Not quite in those exact terms, no.
But that is the gist of it.
And Just why do you think that I came to that conclusion?
Do you think that perhaps it was because I asked those questions?
Those issues that virgo thinks that he knows so much about that he doesn't even need to ask?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 6:48:10 GMT -5
Dmmichgood, that's the lamest thing I have encountered anywhere (let alone this ProBoard) in a long long time. Frankly I doubt you believe that yourself. You might be thinking of the conquering armies of Islam?
Here's wot to do: Take pen and paper and note which books of the bible concern conquest and land occupation. Take note of scripture which DOESN'T concern itself with this.
And ask yourself: What land did Abraham, Isaac and Jacob actually own? What land did Moses own? What are the Psalms, Ecclesiastes, Proverbs, Song of Solomon about? Where was the land in Daniel, Ezekiel? Who did Ezra and Ruth conquer? Of the two thousand years of OT history - how many years of this was actually in a land they could call their own? Think - wandering tribes, slaves, occupied nation etc.. Then think about the SIZE of Israel. Surely for all that was in the bible these Jews could get a country bigger than one you can walk across in a single day?
And including modern history (pre 1948) for how many years did the Jews NOT have a country at all? I can help you here - Patriarchs (100 years) - no land Joseph and Egypt (400 years) - no land Exodus (40 years) - no land Joshua to Solomon (500 years) - tiny Israel, but often in subjection to other nations. Solomon to Ezra (500 years) - banishing of ten tribes forever, Babylonian captivity Ezra to Jesus (600 years) - subjection to the Greeks, Egyptians and Romans. Post Jesus (2,000 years) - no land.
There's your homework. Do it for yourself.
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Post by rational on Feb 2, 2015 9:29:13 GMT -5
Even IF history says it as you say it, Rat...there is nothing to indicate that what the bible says is false! You stated early man did not eat meat. The evidence refutes your claim.Actually, it was men who stated this. We have nothing directly from god. It has nothing to do with proving whether god is smart or not. It is simply a case that the writers were not omniscient and wrote about what they believed without divine knowledge. A bat is, no matter how you slice it, not a bird. The value of pi is not 3.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 2, 2015 9:45:32 GMT -5
Rat, the scientists that have written all the conclusions you quote and use, but still yet they did not live in that day and time....so IF God is in error, how much more error such man is more so!
I Feel that it is as it says in the bible, God's mind or counsel is far from finding out. Also that man cannot nor does not think as God thinks! I know you believe that there is no God....so you go with you modern day scientists' beliefs and I'll stick with my God!
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Post by rational on Feb 2, 2015 10:55:02 GMT -5
Rat, the scientists that have written all the conclusions you quote and use, but still yet they did not live in that day and time....so IF God is in error, how much more error such man is more so! I Feel that it is as it says in the bible, God's mind or counsel is far from finding out. Also that man cannot nor does not think as God thinks! I know you believe that there is no God....so you go with you modern day scientists' beliefs and I'll stick with my God! You are, of course, entitled to your faith based beliefs.
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Post by snow on Feb 2, 2015 11:47:48 GMT -5
Well you did tell me this 'you won't know until you are prepared to give your life wholly to God' which I took to mean you felt I have never been prepared to give my life wholly to God so I don't know. If I said that to you, how would you interpret it? but you wrote that you had given your life completely to God, so why wouldn't i believe that? I told you that after you made the comment that I wouldn't know until I was prepared to give my life wholly to God. When I told you that it was in response to you insinuating the reason I didn't know was because I never had been prepared to give my wholly to God. You make statements like that all the time, like you know the heart of others, their history with their beliefs in God etc. It comes across like you are so superior and the rest of us don't believe, because we were never willing. That's definitely not the case in my history. I was more than willing. I believe a lot of people here who no longer believe in God, were once very willing to believe.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 2, 2015 16:21:33 GMT -5
Dmmichgood, that's the lamest thing I have encountered anywhere (let alone this ProBoard) in a long long time. Sorry Bert, search the bible without your biased rose colored glasses.
I've already done my "homework."
You need to do yours.
Sounds as if you are even doubting that Solomon was a KING & had land?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 16:38:01 GMT -5
Yes, for a brief moment in history, with the collapse of the Assyrian Empire, Solomon was able to expand. But all this under siege during his own lifetime. Even his own country split in two after his death, and soon after the "Northern Kingdom" simply vanished forever. BTW, in re-reading my above post I recognize I left Solomon's empire out. Too late to amend. Also, 1967 Israel itself became an empire of sorts.
But no, you can't say the dog ate your homework. You haven't addressed how the "people of the book" (as Islam called them) not only possessed one of the smallest nations, but also one of the most troubled, and for the most part were alienated from it --- when you claim that "book" was a war cry for imperialism.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 2, 2015 17:02:08 GMT -5
How you do twist a person's words, Bert.
I never stated that they created an "empire."
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 2, 2015 18:11:40 GMT -5
You don't seem to know that I was Born & raised, & "professed" at 12 & continued for approximately 40 years.
I therefore consider that I know quite a bit more than you might think. I have family & friends still in.
I do NOT have "contempt" for them or anyone else.
ok whatever i'm not really interested For someone who isn't interested you certainly seem to feel free to make false statements about people that you don't know.
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 2, 2015 18:37:20 GMT -5
You don't seem to know that I was Born & raised, & "professed" at 12 & continued for approximately 40 years.
I therefore consider that I know quite a bit more than you might think. I have family & friends still in.
I do NOT have "contempt" for them or anyone else.
ok whatever i'm not really interested Typical response from Virgo
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 2:46:17 GMT -5
Quote - "How you do twist a person's words, Bert. I never stated that they created an "empire."
Well, if the Jews overran other people's countries then what else would you call it? Why don't the Jews go back where they came from?
ps I have to do your homework for you - for the four thousand year history of the Jews (the ones who wrote that book of conquest) they spent:
About 30% under occupation. over 50% in exile or slavery. About 1% as empire.
Question - do you think the Jews were paying attention to their invasion book? Perhaps they could have written it better to remove any ambiguity?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 3, 2015 3:36:30 GMT -5
Quote - "How you do twist a person's words, Bert. I never stated that they created an "empire."Well, if the Jews overran other people's countries then what else would you call it? Why don't the Jews go back where they came from?
ps I have to do your homework for you - for the four thousand year history of the Jews (the ones who wrote that book of conquest) they spent:
About 30% under occupation. over 50% in exile or slavery. About 1% as empire.
Question - do you think the Jews were paying attention to their invasion book? Perhaps they could have written it better to remove any ambiguity? Not an "empire," Bert.
definition of an empire: 'An empire is a geographically extensive group of states and peoples (ethnic groups) united and ruled by a central authority, either by a monarch (emperor, empress) or an oligarchy.'
The Romans had an empire. Brittan had an empire. The Israelites did not have an empire.
I don't think you even know a 10th of what you are saying. If you have a point to your post, I can't find it. I don't see any point of what you are telling me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 4:20:14 GMT -5
The point is you said the Old Testament was written purely as a book to justify the invasion, occupation, murder and subjugation of other peoples. Words to that effect (your post has mysteriously vanished)
This is the opposite of the truth.
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Post by jay on Feb 3, 2015 4:48:33 GMT -5
Why is it that the context of the first posts Re Sunday Morning Elder Qualifications is so far removed from all recent posts. KEEP TO THE SUBJECT PLEASE.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 4:51:54 GMT -5
No excuse but has ANY thread stayed on topic? My "God of the OT and NT" went off topic on the second posting and the subject remains unsighted till this day.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 7:58:47 GMT -5
Why is it that the context of the first posts Re Sunday Morning Elder Qualifications is so far removed from all recent posts. KEEP TO THE SUBJECT PLEASE. I agree. I wonder who is appreciating this discourse/bickering most, God or the Devil, or neither, or is it just the participants. Seems like they are getting nowhere fast; round and round they go, where will it stop, no one knows; and who will be the winner? What Does participation on this forum really achieve? Educational enlightenment, spiritual edification, comfort or vexation of spirit?
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