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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 18:26:14 GMT -5
In addition to scriptural references for a bishop, what are the 2015 qualifications? Will the workers have a meeting in a home where there is a TV is plain view? Or have the workers stopped trying to police the "noise boxes" as they used to call them? I see elder's wives wearing trousers and shorts on vacations viewable to all on facebook. I imagine the dress and entertainment rules have been relaxed some today. In the eastern US back in the 1970s, radios were hidden. I remember seeing a radio growing up in the dresser covered up with socks and underwear. During bad weather we would listen to the radio and one time I remember hearing the "way of the cross" hymn on radio and couldn't believe it-a meeting hymn on the radio!!!!NO WAY! I know some professing folks who gave away or destroyed their radios so that they could have meeting "privileges". How about today?
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Post by snow on Jan 22, 2015 20:13:23 GMT -5
We always had a radio, but it was just for the news and mostly the weather. My parents were farmers so I guess they could justify it because of that? I know it didn't sit on the kitchen table for Sunday morning meeting though.
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Post by bubbles on Jan 22, 2015 21:05:52 GMT -5
In addition to scriptural references for a bishop, what are the 2015 qualifications? Will the workers have a meeting in a home where there is a TV is plain view? Or have the workers stopped trying to police the "noise boxes" as they used to call them? I see elder's wives wearing trousers and shorts on vacations viewable to all on facebook. I imagine the dress and entertainment rules have been relaxed some today. In the eastern US back in the 1970s, radios were hidden. I remember seeing a radio growing up in the dresser covered up with socks and underwear. During bad weather we would listen to the radio and one time I remember hearing the "way of the cross" hymn on radio and couldn't believe it-a meeting hymn on the radio!!!!NO WAY! I know some professing folks who gave away or destroyed their radios so that they could have meeting "privileges". How about today? TV? My relatives had meeting taken from them because of a record player. If you are choosing a bishop then I suggest some study on what the function of a bishop is for starters. Dont forget spiritual gifting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 23:15:53 GMT -5
Read Paul's letter to the younger Worker Timothy. You don't need a BA degree in Theology. You already know this. If you thought it was important you would be promoting Paul's admonition on your web site instead of asking if an elder has a TV or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 23:56:33 GMT -5
In addition to scriptural references for a bishop, what are the 2015 qualifications? Will the workers have a meeting in a home where there is a TV is plain view? Or have the workers stopped trying to police the "noise boxes" as they used to call them? I see elder's wives wearing trousers and shorts on vacations viewable to all on facebook. I imagine the dress and entertainment rules have been relaxed some today. In the eastern US back in the 1970s, radios were hidden. I remember seeing a radio growing up in the dresser covered up with socks and underwear. During bad weather we would listen to the radio and one time I remember hearing the "way of the cross" hymn on radio and couldn't believe it-a meeting hymn on the radio!!!!NO WAY! I know some professing folks who gave away or destroyed their radios so that they could have meeting "privileges". How about today? it is very simple, do what God wants one to do
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 23, 2015 5:31:28 GMT -5
Just shows how things change over the years ! But of course its an "Unchanging Way" !
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 23, 2015 5:58:55 GMT -5
In addition to scriptural references for a bishop, what are the 2015 qualifications? Will the workers have a meeting in a home where there is a TV is plain view? Or have the workers stopped trying to police the "noise boxes" as they used to call them? I see elder's wives wearing trousers and shorts on vacations viewable to all on facebook. I imagine the dress and entertainment rules have been relaxed some today. In the eastern US back in the 1970s, radios were hidden. I remember seeing a radio growing up in the dresser covered up with socks and underwear. During bad weather we would listen to the radio and one time I remember hearing the "way of the cross" hymn on radio and couldn't believe it-a meeting hymn on the radio!!!!NO WAY! I know some professing folks who gave away or destroyed their radios so that they could have meeting "privileges". How about today? it is very simple, do what God wants one to do So if he didn't say anything about TV's, how do we know what he wants us to do with them?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 6:08:23 GMT -5
God didn't say anything about narcotics either, but we are meant to get the drift of what is acceptable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 7:58:58 GMT -5
Just shows how things change over the years ! But of course its an "Unchanging Way" ! As I understand it, Jesus is the Way and Jesus is unchanging, He is the same yesterday, today and forever. The fellowship is not "the way" so it is not at all unchanging, as has been evidenced over many years. Attire ( dressing "soberly") has changed to meet the demands of modern times, the acceptability of new technology including radio and TV in a different format now known as The World Wide Web, ( the Internet via computers, iPads etc.) This new technology has virtually replaced letter-writing and posting of letters by workers and friends as the main means of communication. Very often when some workers visit the first thing they ask is do you have a computer. Just some of my observations as one who has been born and raised in the 1940's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 8:33:30 GMT -5
True, true. In the olden days the Hebrews had camels. In Jesus time they were content to ride donkeys. And now it's cars. In the olden days women wore veils over their faces. In Jesus' day this practice had vanished.
So I guess God's True Desire, His Unchanging Way, ie a world of veiled women riding camels for instance, failed.
Alternatively, the "unchanging way" just might mean something a little deeper than shallow minds can reach.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 23, 2015 8:49:03 GMT -5
So people that were stopped from taking part in meeting for having a radio or TV where do they stand in all this ? Partaker I agree the fellowship is not "the way" but you only have to look at pages on Facebook like True Friends to see that a lot of the F&W believe the fellowship is "the way" !
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2015 10:36:21 GMT -5
True, true. In the olden days the Hebrews had camels. In Jesus time they were content to ride donkeys. And now it's cars. In the olden days women wore veils over their faces. In Jesus' day this practice had vanished. So I guess God's True Desire, His Unchanging Way, ie a world of veiled women riding camels for instance, failed. Alternatively, the "unchanging way" just might mean something a little deeper than shallow minds can reach. Truer then fiction! I think there are a considerable number of people inside the 2x2 fellowship that were taught from birth on up by the beginning workers and friends that extreme doing without of the natural things of man was more preferable of a friend and a worker..i.e.women wearing their dresses halfway to their knees, then transisting to denim skirts when they were all but out of fashion for the world. It seems the unwritten demand for what women wore and looked like throughout the ages of the 2x2 fellowship was simply for them to pick up on what the world tossed aside as being out of fashion and with each change in fashion then the women and some things for the men were changed to that "new" unfashionable thing.....black stockings was one thing, uncut hair was another.....etc
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 11:45:08 GMT -5
So people that were stopped from taking part in meeting for having a radio or TV where do they stand in all this ? Partaker I agree the fellowship is not "the way" but you only have to look at pages on Facebook like True Friends to see that a lot of the F&W believe the fellowship is "the way" ! I don't go on Facebook, and I don't doubt what you have said, because I have heard it with my own ears, but they are mistaken unfortunately, and I often point out the difference, we fellowship in his name, but the "fellowship" is not equivalent to Jesus.For a start, Jesus was/is perfect but the fellowship (church membership,) is not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 12:43:54 GMT -5
So people that were stopped from taking part in meeting for having a radio or TV where do they stand in all this ? Partaker I agree the fellowship is not "the way" but you only have to look at pages on Facebook like True Friends to see that a lot of the F&W believe the fellowship is "the way" ! Quite a few years ago I read on the old forum, which has been replaced by this one, that an older brother worker and a young brother worker went to the parking area on a convention ground and physically and deliberately broke the radio antennas/ aerials on some cars parked there. That would have been illegal vandalism. By whose authority did they do that? I don't believe that God would have approved of such action. it is possible that some of those cars might have been borrowed from relatives or friends or might have been hired for the purpose of transportation to convention, in which case the borrowers would most likely have had to incur unnecessary cost of replacing the broken parts.I don't know if the story is true, but if so, those workers would have exceeded their authority in my opinion.
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Post by xna on Jan 23, 2015 12:57:09 GMT -5
So people that were stopped from taking part in meeting for having a radio or TV where do they stand in all this ? Partaker I agree the fellowship is not "the way" but you only have to look at pages on Facebook like True Friends to see that a lot of the F&W believe the fellowship is "the way" ! Quite a few years ago I read on the old forum, which has been replaced by this one, that an older brother worker and a young brother worker went to the parking area on a convention ground and physically and deliberately broke the radio antennas/ aerials on some cars parked there. That would have been illegal vandalism. By whose authority did they do that? I don't believe that God would have approved of such action. it is possible that some of those cars might have been borrowed from relatives or friends or might have been hired for the purpose of transportation to convention, in which case the borrowers would most likely have had to incur unnecessary cost of replacing the broken parts.I don't know if the story is true, but if so, those workers would have exceeded their authority in my opinion. I remember that story being on the grounds of the convention I attended. Not too long after that the devil started putting the antenna in the windshield. He is tricky that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 12:58:54 GMT -5
God didn't say anything about narcotics either, but we are meant to get the drift of what is acceptable. Why are computers etc. more acceptable than TV's and radios? Aren't you using some kind of gadget to participate on this forum? People have a choice as to what to watch or what to listen to. As part of my University studies I had to watch and Listen to certain lectures on TV and on radio via distance learning.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 23, 2015 13:20:15 GMT -5
God didn't say anything about narcotics either, but we are meant to get the drift of what is acceptable. Over the years I found that was what a lot of preaching was for -- getting the drift.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 23, 2015 13:25:02 GMT -5
God didn't say anything about narcotics either, but we are meant to get the drift of what is acceptable. Why are computers etc. more acceptable than TV's and radios? Workers can't ban computers because they can't live without them now themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 13:28:51 GMT -5
Drifting :)Like a ship without a rudder on a wild and stormy sea? No thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 0:44:21 GMT -5
God didn't say anything about narcotics either, but we are meant to get the drift of what is acceptable. Why are computers etc. more acceptable than TV's and radios? Aren't you using some kind of gadget to participate on this forum? People have a choice as to what to watch or what to listen to. As part of my University studies I had to watch and Listen to certain lectures on TV and on radio via distance learning. i think the problem was that they were seen as something that could take over and thus take the first place, that would have been a real worry to the workers, that those things could become as a love very often i listen to a gardening show on a Sat morning but it not a must heard at convention, how close is your second love to your first and is in danger of passing the first, the second love should be well back from the first
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 0:46:01 GMT -5
it is very simple, do what God wants one to do So if he didn't say anything about TV's, how do we know what he wants us to do with them? simple, ask Him
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 4:14:41 GMT -5
Why are computers etc. more acceptable than TV's and radios? Aren't you using some kind of gadget to participate on this forum? People have a choice as to what to watch or what to listen to. As part of my University studies I had to watch and Listen to certain lectures on TV and on radio via distance learning. i think the problem was that they were seen as something that could take over and thus take the first place, that would have been a real worry to the workers, that those things could become as a love very often i listen to a gardening show on a Sat morning but it not a must heard at convention, how close is your second love to your first and is in danger of passing the first, the second love should be well back from the first I suppose that in a way you are right, but if you are happily married and have some lovely children, how close is your second and third love from your first love? Spiritually, these other loves should be well back from the first love too, but does human nature always permit this? I don't think so; sometimes we are forced to prioritise our love.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 24, 2015 16:50:26 GMT -5
So if he didn't say anything about TV's, how do we know what he wants us to do with them? simple, ask Him ehum... Strange, -then I wonder why different people get different answers?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 21:24:13 GMT -5
i think the problem was that they were seen as something that could take over and thus take the first place, that would have been a real worry to the workers, that those things could become as a love very often i listen to a gardening show on a Sat morning but it not a must heard at convention, how close is your second love to your first and is in danger of passing the first, the second love should be well back from the first I suppose that in a way you are right, but if you are happily married and have some lovely children, how close is your second and third love from your first love? Spiritually, these other loves should be well back from the first love too, but does human nature always permit this? I don't think so; sometimes we are forced to prioritise our love. first love being God or no place in heaven is made obvious by Jesus, second love your neighbour which would include family if God is in first place He see's that the second is appropriately placed see if one had more love for the radio or tv than God, spend more time with them than with God they then become the first love. that goes for any other activity that man puts before God as far as human nature is concerned it doesn't figure with God
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 21:27:55 GMT -5
ehum... Strange, -then I wonder why different people get different answers?
different strokes for different folks, God doesn't treat all with the same pat answers at the same time
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 25, 2015 14:45:19 GMT -5
I suppose that in a way you are right, but if you are happily married and have some lovely children, how close is your second and third love from your first love? Spiritually, these other loves should be well back from the first love too, but does human nature always permit this? I don't think so; sometimes we are forced to prioritise our love. first love being God or no place in heaven is made obvious by Jesus, second love your neighbour which would include family if God is in first place He see's that the second is appropriately placed see if one h ad more love for the radio or tv than God, spend more time with them than with God they then become the first love. that goes for any other activity that man puts before God as far as human nature is concerned it doesn't figure with God The problem with this idea that one would have, "more love for the radio or tv than God," is ridiculous to start with!
You are comparing totally different things!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 1:27:46 GMT -5
first love being God or no place in heaven is made obvious by Jesus, second love your neighbour which would include family if God is in first place He see's that the second is appropriately placed see if one h ad more love for the radio or tv than God, spend more time with them than with God they then become the first love. that goes for any other activity that man puts before God as far as human nature is concerned it doesn't figure with God The problem with this idea that one would have, "more love for the radio or tv than God," is ridiculous to start with!
You are comparing totally different things!time spent with or on
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Post by rational on Jan 27, 2015 1:17:49 GMT -5
God didn't say anything about narcotics either, but we are meant to get the drift of what is acceptable. Everyone should get the drift but a lot of people have drifted.
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