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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 1:10:26 GMT -5
Why would you need to be sure? I sure would want to be sure if I thought I was talking to God and getting answers from God. I would want to make very sure it was God and not myself I was talking to and getting my answers from. I really don't know how much more important that could be actually. bit of a flip flop going on here when one has the spirit the spirit conferms what is from God, no good talking to myself i'd just end up in a maze
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 31, 2015 1:30:27 GMT -5
Why would you need to be sure? I sure would want to be sure if I thought I was talking to God and getting answers from God. I would want to make very sure it was God and not myself I was talking to and getting my answers from. I really don't know how much more important that could be actually. bit of a flip flop going on here when one has the spirit the spirit confirms what is from God, no good talking to myself i'd just end up in a maze Perhaps one may end up in a maze by talking to yourself ?
To start with, how can one be sure that they even really have a "spirit?" How can one know that for sure? A "spirit" can't confirm something if a "spirit" doesn't exist. Then one has to have belief that there is a god , which also can't be confirmed.
Isn't it all built from start to finish on something that can't be confirmed?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 2:30:47 GMT -5
bit of a flip flop going on here when one has the spirit the spirit confirms what is from God, no good talking to myself i'd just end up in a maze Perhaps one may end up in a maze by talking to yourself ?
To start with, how can one be sure that they even really have a "spirit?" How can one know that for sure? A "spirit" can't confirm something if a "spirit" doesn't exist. Then one has to have belief that there is a god , which also can't be confirmed.
Isn't it all built from start to finish on something that can't be confirmed?
it can only be confirmed in one if one has belief if one doesn't have belief it cannot be confirmed in them, so those who don't have it confirmed in their lives they can only see it as something that is not true
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Post by rational on Jan 31, 2015 7:13:33 GMT -5
Fossils from 1,000,000+ years ago show the presence of canine teeth. Consider the presence of HCl in the stomach. Man has clearly evolved as an omnivore. It would not be the first time that god made a scientific error. LOL 1,000,000 years old. Today is the 10th day of Sh'vat, 5775. What have you been reading young man? Non-fiction!
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Post by snow on Jan 31, 2015 11:27:06 GMT -5
Why would you need to be sure? I sure would want to be sure if I thought I was talking to God and getting answers from God. I would want to make very sure it was God and not myself I was talking to and getting my answers from. I really don't know how much more important that could be actually. bit of a flip flop going on here when one has the spirit the spirit conferms what is from God, no good talking to myself i'd just end up in a maze Therein lies the problem for me. How do we know for sure there is such a thing that is a spirit that then confirms that it is truly God talking and not just us making a lot of stuff up? I have often wondered about that and as a professing kid it was one of the things I struggled with the most.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 31, 2015 18:30:30 GMT -5
But who has the record of "their dentition"? God says very plainly that the grass or herb with seed and the fruit of the trees that have seed were to be their "meat." Fossils from 1,000,000+ years ago show the presence of canine teeth. Consider the presence of HCl in the stomach. Man has clearly evolved as an omnivore. It would not be the first time that god made a scientific error. Even IF history says it as you say it, Rat...there is nothing to indicate that what the bible says is false! God said what He has said many times to have man to go above His wisdom and guidance! Man has tried many many years and many many times to prove that God's advice isn't necessary for man! I wouldn't be surprised that canine teeth were within the blueprint in the making of man from the start, seeing as God would know that somewhere down the road that man is going to go against God's advice and try eating things he'd have to be tearing loose. However, canine teeth seem very helpful in eating tough fruits and vegetables by tearing bites of them off to be chewed in the mouth.......I see no evidence that God made a scientific error....I think man again has tried to prove that God isn't as smart as man!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 19:31:05 GMT -5
bit of a flip flop going on here when one has the spirit the spirit conferms what is from God, no good talking to myself i'd just end up in a maze Therein lies the problem for me. How do we know for sure there is such a thing that is a spirit that then confirms that it is truly God talking and not just us making a lot of stuff up? I have often wondered about that and as a professing kid it was one of the things I struggled with the most. you won't know until you are prepared to give your life wholly to God
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 31, 2015 23:46:38 GMT -5
Therein lies the problem for me. How do we know for sure there is such a thing that is a spirit that then confirms that it is truly God talking and not just us making a lot of stuff up? I have often wondered about that and as a professing kid it was one of the things I struggled with the most. you won't know until you are prepared to give your life wholly to God T hat is the typical cop-out, virgo, when one can't answer anything else.
Very full of hubris also
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 23:48:19 GMT -5
you won't know until you are prepared to give your life wholly to God T hat is the typical cop-out, virgo, when one can't answer anything else.
Very full of hubris also
you don't know truth even if it hits you in the face, called blindness oh just as an add on, how is it full of extreme pride or self-confidence?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 31, 2015 23:52:14 GMT -5
T hat is the typical cop-out, virgo, when one can't answer anything else.
Very full of hubris also
you don't know truth even if it hits you in the face, called blindness I'm not blind to a cop-out, when I hear it, virgo!
Nor blind to hubris when I see it!
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Post by snow on Feb 1, 2015 0:02:14 GMT -5
Therein lies the problem for me. How do we know for sure there is such a thing that is a spirit that then confirms that it is truly God talking and not just us making a lot of stuff up? I have often wondered about that and as a professing kid it was one of the things I struggled with the most. you won't know until you are prepared to give your life wholly to God But I did Virgo. I completely believed, was completely giving my all. I was a very zealous kid. I was very wrapped up in the Christian belief and felt Jesus comforted me and talked to be to the point that it brought me total peace. But as I got older and more capable of understanding what I was reading, and understanding the ramifications of what the workers were saying, it dawned on me that there were a lot of good people whom I loved very much that were not going to heaven, and if that wasn't bad enough, they would also face an eternity of torture. That troubled me a lot and when I talked to the workers about it so I could better understand, they had no answers expect the regular ones, pretty much what you say on here when someone doesn't believe in God anymore. I wasn't good enough, didn't believe enough, hadn't given myself to God totally, and on and on. Trouble was, I had, totally and completely. It was the workers and reading the OT that woke me up. I am thankful for that now, but at the time it was horrible for me. So don't tell me about giving my life wholly to God, because I did that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 0:16:47 GMT -5
you don't know truth even if it hits you in the face, called blindness I'm not blind to a cop-out, when I hear it, virgo!
Nor blind to hubris when I see it! so how was it full of extreme pride or self-confidence?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 1, 2015 1:30:26 GMT -5
I'm not blind to a cop-out, when I hear it, virgo!
Nor blind to hubris when I see it! so how was it full of extreme pride or self-confidence? It is hubris because you said, "i don't ask myself those questions" - "why would i need to?"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 2:47:18 GMT -5
so how was it full of extreme pride or self-confidence? It is hubris because you said, "i don't ask myself those questions" - "why would i need to?"
you been on the terps?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 2:49:42 GMT -5
you won't know until you are prepared to give your life wholly to God But I did Virgo. I completely believed, was completely giving my all. I was a very zealous kid. I was very wrapped up in the Christian belief and felt Jesus comforted me and talked to be to the point that it brought me total peace. But as I got older and more capable of understanding what I was reading, and understanding the ramifications of what the workers were saying, it dawned on me that there were a lot of good people whom I loved very much that were not going to heaven, and if that wasn't bad enough, they would also face an eternity of torture. That troubled me a lot and when I talked to the workers about it so I could better understand, they had no answers expect the regular ones, pretty much what you say on here when someone doesn't believe in God anymore. I wasn't good enough, didn't believe enough, hadn't given myself to God totally, and on and on. Trouble was, I had, totally and completely. It was the workers and reading the OT that woke me up. I am thankful for that now, but at the time it was horrible for me. So don't tell me about giving my life wholly to God, because I did that. well if you don't want me to tell you anything don't ask
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 1, 2015 3:14:18 GMT -5
It is hubris because you said, "i don't ask myself those questions" - "why would i need to?"
you been on the terps? "terps?"
Mind using plain English, virgo?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 3:16:10 GMT -5
"terps?"
Mind using plain English, virgo?
never mind
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 1, 2015 3:20:20 GMT -5
But I did Virgo. I completely believed, was completely giving my all. I was a very zealous kid. I was very wrapped up in the Christian belief and felt Jesus comforted me and talked to be to the point that it brought me total peace. But as I got older and more capable of understanding what I was reading, and understanding the ramifications of what the workers were saying, it dawned on me that there were a lot of good people whom I loved very much that were not going to heaven, and if that wasn't bad enough, they would also face an eternity of torture. That troubled me a lot and when I talked to the workers about it so I could better understand, they had no answers expect the regular ones, pretty much what you say on here when someone doesn't believe in God anymore. I wasn't good enough, didn't believe enough, hadn't given myself to God totally, and on and on. Trouble was, I had, totally and completely. It was the workers and reading the OT that woke me up. I am thankful for that now, but at the time it was horrible for me. So don't tell me about giving my life wholly to God, because I did that. well if you don't want me to tell you anything don't ask Hubris again, eh, virgo? So sure of yourself, aren't you?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 3:47:34 GMT -5
Quote - "it dawned on me that there were a lot of good people whom I loved very much that were not going to heaven, and if that wasn't bad enough, they would also face an eternity of torture. That troubled me a lot and when I talked to the workers about it so I could better understand, they had no answers expect the regular ones..."
Jesus gave the "regular ones" to many who asked. He was quite specific. I don't know what "regular" answers the Workers gave you but if you put them online they could be a good talking point.
Jesus talk about the end of our lives: And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Jesus said only a few would find salvation: But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
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Post by Mary on Feb 1, 2015 5:34:07 GMT -5
Turps. Turpentine.
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 1, 2015 6:27:44 GMT -5
In Australia if someone asks if you have been on the Turps it means have you been drinking alcohol !
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Post by snow on Feb 1, 2015 11:39:07 GMT -5
But I did Virgo. I completely believed, was completely giving my all. I was a very zealous kid. I was very wrapped up in the Christian belief and felt Jesus comforted me and talked to be to the point that it brought me total peace. But as I got older and more capable of understanding what I was reading, and understanding the ramifications of what the workers were saying, it dawned on me that there were a lot of good people whom I loved very much that were not going to heaven, and if that wasn't bad enough, they would also face an eternity of torture. That troubled me a lot and when I talked to the workers about it so I could better understand, they had no answers expect the regular ones, pretty much what you say on here when someone doesn't believe in God anymore. I wasn't good enough, didn't believe enough, hadn't given myself to God totally, and on and on. Trouble was, I had, totally and completely. It was the workers and reading the OT that woke me up. I am thankful for that now, but at the time it was horrible for me. So don't tell me about giving my life wholly to God, because I did that. well if you don't want me to tell you anything don't ask who said I didn't want you to tell me anything? I answered you as honestly as I could. You accused me of not giving my life completely to God. Trouble is I did. So what do you say I did wrong?
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Post by snow on Feb 1, 2015 11:42:56 GMT -5
Quote - " it dawned on me that there were a lot of good people whom I loved very much that were not going to heaven, and if that wasn't bad enough, they would also face an eternity of torture. That troubled me a lot and when I talked to the workers about it so I could better understand, they had no answers expect the regular ones..." Jesus gave the "regular ones" to many who asked. He was quite specific. I don't know what "regular" answers the Workers gave you but if you put them online they could be a good talking point.
Jesus talk about the end of our lives:And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Jesus said only a few would find salvation:But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
So you think these answers are ok. What do you think about the fact that heaven is basically going to be empty based on what the 2x2's believe? Does that bother you? Does it bother you that you will be able to watch the hellish show from your esteemed heights in heaven? Will it bother you at all to watch someone you loved during your life on earth being tormented eternally? According to the bible you can see it all from heaven and according to some who have preached about it, it's supposed to make you feel good because you are not there. Really? How in the world could anyone enjoy heaven when they can see someone they loved being tortured?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 1, 2015 15:41:53 GMT -5
In Australia if someone asks if you have been on the Turps it means have you been drinking alcohol ! T hanks, isobelrose!
Wonder why he thought that I had been drinking?
I was only quoting his own words!
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 1, 2015 15:46:45 GMT -5
It is hubris because you said, "i don't ask myself those questions" - "why would i need to?"
you been on the terps? Why would anyone think that it was I who had been drinking?
They were your own statements, not mine! ( "i don't ask myself those questions" - "why would i need to?")
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 16:01:48 GMT -5
Snow, I would write what I wrote, 2x2 or no 2x2. I quoted what Jesus said. I don't make the rules, okay?
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Post by snow on Feb 1, 2015 16:53:13 GMT -5
Snow, I would write what I wrote, 2x2 or no 2x2. I quoted what Jesus said. I don't make the rules, okay? Yes, I know, many Christians do. I guess it should make people think about those quotes. Especially if only the 2x2's are saved. What does heaven look like with only a few hundred thousand in it and billions in hell? I certainly recognize you don't make the rules. I do question why you don't question the rules though.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 1, 2015 19:01:51 GMT -5
Snow, I would write what I wrote, 2x2 or no 2x2. I quoted what Jesus said. I don't make the rules, okay? Yes, I know, many Christians do. I guess it should make people think about those quotes. Especially if only the 2x2's are saved. What does heaven look like with only a few hundred thousand in it and billions in hell? I certainly recognize you don't make the rules. I do question why you don't question the rules though. Indeed!
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