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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 15:37:08 GMT -5
It makes no sense that you say that God didn't want the Jews to get mixed up in human sacrifices and then he sacrifices his own son! Talk about contradictory! It was Jesus' choice, His own free will to die for humanity! so those who are born again can live forever with God. Satan wants his followers to sacrifice human lives to him but he Can't give them eternal life. The ONLY thing Satan can offer to his followers is temporary joy of the flesh, fame, and the riches of this world to enjoy a few short years then eternal death comes to all of them.Nathan, it was NOT Jesus's "OWN" free will to die on the cross. His will was to have that cup removed. However, it WAS his will to do the will of him (God the Father) who sent him. He needed strengthened to do the Father's will. As it says in Hebrews, Jesus endured suffering to learn obedience (which culminated in him going obediently to the cross). Luke 22: 41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
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Post by snow on Jan 6, 2015 15:49:20 GMT -5
It makes no sense that you say that God didn't want the Jews to get mixed up in human sacrifices and then he sacrifices his own son! Talk about contradictory! It was Jesus' choice, His own free will to die for humanity! so those who are born again can live forever with God. Satan wants his followers to sacrifice human lives to him but he Can't give them eternal life. The ONLY thing Satan can offer to his followers is temporary joy of the flesh, fame, and the riches of this world to enjoy a few short years then eternal death comes to all of them.Free will or not, it just seems to be contradictory and extreme that God required that so he could forgive his creation. As far as this life being enjoyable, there is a saying 'a bird in the hand is worth more than 2 in the bush' or something like that. We need to concentrate on now. Be living now. There is no guarantee of an afterlife. That doesn't mean we don't need to be responsible, or treat others badly of course, but it does mean to focus on the now and enjoy it because it very well could be all we ever get. It is a shame to waste it on just focusing on an afterlife that is by no means known to exist.
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Post by snow on Jan 6, 2015 16:36:05 GMT -5
Free will or not, it just seems to be contradictory and extreme that God required that so he could forgive his creation. As far as this life being enjoyable, there is a saying 'a bird in the hand is worth more than 2 in the bush' or something like that. We need to concentrate on now. Be living now. There is no guarantee of an afterlife. That doesn't mean we don't need to be responsible, or treat others badly of course, but it does mean to focus on the now and enjoy it because it very well could be all we ever get. It is a shame to waste it on just focusing on an afterlife that is by no means known to exist. This is where you're wrong. Satan likes people to believe there is no life after death and After you die that is the end. Jesus said to the disciples you are salt and light of the world. Invest your lives in doing good, helping others, live for God because He will rewards all of your good works after this life is over.
Jesus said in John 3:14-21 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.But now you are asking me not only to believe there is a God you are saying I must believe there is a devil and an afterlife. That's a lot to expect based on the fact I have seen no proof of any God or devil for that matter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 16:59:04 GMT -5
Nathan, it was NOT Jesus's "OWN" free will to die on the cross. His will was to have that cup removed. However, it WAS his will to do the will of him (God the Father) who sent him. He needed strengthened to do the Father's will. As it says in Hebrews, Jesus endured suffering to learn obedience (which culminated in him going obediently to the cross). Luke 22: 41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
Ram, it was Jesus God nature in Him desired to die for humanity sins, that was one of His main purposes coming to earth, but His human man/flesh nature did NOT want to die. We read in the garden, where Jesus human nature/flesh cried out and wasn't willing from going to the Cross to die a horrific death.It was a human being appealing to his Heavenly Father, God, to remove the cup from him. He was desperate. God sent an angel from Heaven to strengthen him. Jesus knew he had been sent to do the will of his Father, not his own will! It was the Father's will that Jesus went to the cross, not his own will! He was obedient to his Father's will. This required him to endure much suffering during his earlier years, in order to learn obedience and to prepare him for the day he would be asked to go to the cross.
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Post by rational on Jan 6, 2015 21:58:44 GMT -5
Stewart Swerdlow on Coast to Coast July 2007 in this radio show talks about the first reptilian colony/race came to earth (listen at 6:10) which lives underground about 800,000 B.C. This information was imparted to him during the 13 years he served as an experimental subject in a government-sponsored mind control project (1980s) in Montauk, NY. Between 200,000 to 300,000 people were experimented on in Montauk, and most of them did not survive, he said. Do you know where Montauk, NY is? It has a population of about 3,300. Don't you think an increase of a quarter of a million people would cause people to raise some questions? 300,000 people in a seaside resort town and it is a secret only known to a few. That is something to think about, NathanB. Do you have any explanation of where those people were housed while the experiments were being done? And the staff to manage/work on 300,000 people. Where did they stay? You can lead a person to the facts but you can't make them think.
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Post by rational on Jan 7, 2015 11:38:48 GMT -5
In 1944 there was an American troop train that went through a French railroad tunnel carrying $10 billion in Nazi gold which they hadh found. It was $10 billion at the 1944 price of $20 per ounce. The train was blown up in the tunnel. It killed 51 American soldiers. The gold turned up ten years later at Montauk. This has been verified. That money was used to finance the project for many years as the value of gold went up. Here again, NathanB, is another reason that points out the error of your beliefs. According to your post there was $10 billion at $20 per troy oz. That is about 186,620,000,000 grams of gold. Or about 411,428,823 pounds (avoirdupois). Or about 205,714 tons of gold. At the end of 2009, it was estimated that all the gold ever mined totaled 165,000 tons. Thomson Reuters annual gold survey estimates that all the gold in the world is 171,300 tons. Taking the average of these - 168,150 tons of gold. Yet your claim states that Germany alone had possession, in one locations, and it is well known that there were many locations, about 125% of the total gold in the world. The people who make up the crap you present as facts need to fact check. I am guessing this will not make you think or reconsider the 'facts' you believe and are promoting.
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Post by rational on Jan 7, 2015 12:48:53 GMT -5
Here again, NathanB, is another reason that points out the error of your beliefs. According to your post there was $10 billion at $20 per troy oz. That is about 186,620,000,000 grams of gold. Or about 411,428,823 pounds (avoirdupois). Or about 205,714 tons of gold. At the end of 2009, it was estimated that all the gold ever mined totaled 165,000 tons. Thomson Reuters annual gold survey estimates that all the gold in the world is 171,300 tons. Taking the average of these - 168,150 tons of gold. Yet your claim states that Germany alone had possession, in one locations, and it is well known that there were many locations, about 125% of the total gold in the world. The people who make up the crap you present as facts need to fact check. I am guessing this will not make you think or reconsider the 'facts' you believe and are promoting. You don't know everything, rational. The gold was gathered from different locations in Germany, and other countries... Watch the documents/movie monumental men. I only know what you posted. And the facts you posted state that in 1944 Germany possessed 125% of all the gold estimated to be in existence in 2009. There was. But less than the total amount estimated in 2009. So you still need to explain how Germany possessed more gold in this single tunnel that exists in the world today. It film is The Monuments Men and it is classified as a comedy-drama war film. You need to look at your sources NathanB. Movies and YouTube are poor sources. Admit it - your sources regarding the gold that you claimed was in the tunnel are wrong. Although it is well known that other countries has gold you have claimed that Germany alone possessed more gold than was known to exist at the time.
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Post by rational on Jan 7, 2015 13:10:25 GMT -5
It film is The Monuments Men and it is classified as a comedy-drama war film. You need to look at your sources NathanB. Movies and YouTube are poor sources. Hitler and his evil henchmen hoarding a lot of Gold, precious art works from the occupying countries during WW II. Based on the true story of the greatest treasure hunt in history, The Monuments Men is an action drama focusing on an unlikely World War II platoon, tasked by FDR with going into Germany to rescue artistic masterpieces from Nazi thieves and returning them to their rightful owners. They found tons of Nazi Germans hidden gold in the abandon mines It would be an impossible mission: with the art trapped behind enemy lines, and with the German army under orders to destroy everything as the Reich fell, how could these guys - seven museum directors, curators, and art historians, all more familiar with Michelangelo than the M-1 - possibly hope to succeed? But as the Monuments Men, as they were called, found themselves in a race against time to avoid the destruction of 1000 years of culture, they would risk their lives to protect and defend mankind's greatest achievements. A lot of Gold was found stored in the abandon mines by the Nazi by the end of the war.
Montauk and the Secret Government projects! mind control, Time travel, weather control, working with different types of aliens, Greys, Draco, Antares, Nordic, etc . In 1944 there was an American troop train that went through a French railroad tunnel carrying $10 billion in Nazi gold which they had found. It was $10 billion at the 1944 price of $20 per ounce. The train was blown up in the tunnel. It killed 51 American soldiers. The gold turned up ten years later at Montauk. This has been verified. That money was used to finance the project for many years as the value of gold went up.www.bibliotecapleyades.net/montauk/esp_montauk_15.htmThanks for re-posting it. NathanB, There is a known quantity of gold that has been mined and is known to exist. That amount, as estimated today, is less than the gold you claimed was in the tunnel. Explain how the Germans could have more gold than is known to exist? Remember, other countries also had significant gold reserves and it is also known that Germany had gold reserves in Swiss banks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 13:29:05 GMT -5
Rational, you are merely focusing on gold mined on Earth! Don't forget the Nazis had gold mines on the Moon! Actually the centre of the Moon was solid gold until the Nazis "hollowed" it out with their mining operations.
When the Allies entered Germany towards the end of the war, they found vast stockpiles of cheese. So vast in fact it was soon concluded that these stocks could not have been produced in Europe alone. These cheese stocks had not only prevented the German nation from starving, but were responsible for maintaining their good health and of course, the war effort! Only later did the Allies learn that the cheese had actually been brought back from the moon. Apparently much of the lunar strata comprises of alternating layers of cheese and gold, sometimes hundreds of feet thick. "Lunarbrie" and luftzola" were amongst the favourite types the Nazis brought back. "Goering" had his own favourite type named after him. After all, it was his fleet of Junkers JU 52'S that was used to transport both the gold and cheese back to Tempelhof airport (military section) at Berlin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 13:44:34 GMT -5
This is ONE of the MOST amazing/incredible Videos about 1.5 Billion years ago civilization woman commander body found on the Moon in a HUGE mother ship in 1976 by Americans/Russian Apollo 20 astronauts. The "Nazi"/Germans had UFOs (Time 27:00) and moon base city in the late 1930's (033:01). Now, the USA have 2 million Rothschild's and Illuminati live in this Huge city complex. Buildings, cities on the moon covered/erased by NASA. 3 HUGE Pyramids on the moon for energy/batteries sources (043:46). Shot down spaceship (046:02). A HUGE pagan altar building on the Moon (046:46). A Huge UFO mother ship (10 times the length of Queen Mary ship/tall as the Eiffel tower in Paris) Mining Mountain of gold, silver on the moon (048:42). The Apollo 11 astronauts entered abandoned an alien based, which the Nazi took over in 1930-40s. They found A dead human female Alien commander in the Huge UFO. She used hi-tech flying tubes connected to her eyes, and forehead to guide the UFO spaceship (1:07:22). Ancient writings on a green piece of paper. Cyborg tech. Computer circuit boards attached on her body's clothing. The mark on her forehead. The ancient female human Co-pilot head was cut off. These ancient civilization women were mining gold/mountain of it from the moon. (Over 3 Millions viewers!)www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=uF-F67OUEAw&feature=fvwp~~ NASA revealed mountain of Gold on Mars! 1/29/2012: We have stated that the Annunaki/Giants mined for gold on Mars, and did so well before they came to Earth to continue this operation. www.youtube.com/watch?v=URZTJmQlObE Whilst I find this information hard to refute, I have to say that the lack of reference to the massive cheese stocks on the Moon, leaves me a little skeptical!
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Post by snow on Jan 7, 2015 16:12:40 GMT -5
The Gold medal goes to Ram for guessing where all the other gold came from accurately. Rational, you are obviously not considering the moon or even the hollow earth. I'm sure there is gold there too.
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Post by snow on Jan 7, 2015 17:31:40 GMT -5
But now you are asking me not only to believe there is a God you are saying I must believe there is a devil and an afterlife. That's a lot to expect based on the fact I have seen no proof of any God or devil for that matter. Snow, in your case the only thing for you and those who believe like you is to wait after death, by then you will know the existence of God, the devil, and life after death.Yes, death will be the 'tell all'. What I don't understand is if God wants us to know him why he doesn't make himself known in a way that more people could acknowledge as proof. You'd think he'd be somewhat dedicated to letting us know he existed. But it's just the opposite. Even those who do believe, or want to believe see very little evidence and have to rely on faith.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 19:39:50 GMT -5
Snow, in your case the only thing for you and those who believe like you is to wait after death, by then you will know the existence of God, the devil, and life after death. Yes, death will be the 'tell all'. What I don't understand is if God wants us to know him why he doesn't make himself known in a way that more people could acknowledge as proof. You'd think he'd be somewhat dedicated to letting us know he existed. But it's just the opposite. Even those who do believe, or want to believe see very little evidence and have to rely on faith. God wants those that have faith over proof... Joh_20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
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Post by rational on Jan 7, 2015 19:40:53 GMT -5
Rational, you are merely focusing on gold mined on Earth! Don't forget the Nazis had gold mines on the Moon! Actually the centre of the Moon was solid gold until the Nazis "hollowed" it out with their mining operations. When the Allies entered Germany towards the end of the war, they found vast stockpiles of cheese. So vast in fact it was soon concluded that these stocks could not have been produced in Europe alone. These cheese stocks had not only prevented the German nation from starving, but were responsible for maintaining their good health and of course, the war effort! Only later did the Allies learn that the cheese had actually been brought back from the moon. Apparently much of the lunar strata comprises of alternating layers of cheese and gold, sometimes hundreds of feet thick. "Lunarbrie" and luftzola" were amongst the favourite types the Nazis brought back. "Goering" had his own favourite type named after him. After all, it was his fleet of Junkers JU 52'S that was used to transport both the gold and cheese back to Tempelhof airport (military section) at Berlin. Well, thanks for that update. I can see the error of my ways!
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 7, 2015 20:40:18 GMT -5
Yes, death will be the 'tell all'. What I don't understand is if God wants us to know him why he doesn't make himself known in a way that more people could acknowledge as proof. You'd think he'd be somewhat dedicated to letting us know he existed. But it's just the opposite. Even those who do believe, or want to believe see very little evidence and have to rely on faith. God wants those that have faith over proof... Joh_20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. As I've said before, if people will believe something without proof, be it a supernatural being called GOD or Jesus, -what keeps them from having "faith" for any & every other belief that comes down the pike?
Pink elephants, pink pixies one inch tall, pink unicorns, pink grass, pink trees; all in one setting but just different shades of PINK?
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 7, 2015 21:16:59 GMT -5
Have you ever felt love? Prove it. "'proof' is the hallmark of religion"-Gaede Like McGrath expressed about the English experience, suggesting that nobody really doubted the existence of God until theologians tried to prove it. Proof is the idol before whom the pure mathematician tortures himself.-eddington Alvin
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 21:21:37 GMT -5
God wants those that have faith over proof... Joh_20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. As I've said before, if people will believe something without proof, be it a supernatural being called GOD or Jesus, -what keeps them from having "faith" for any & every other belief that comes down the pike?
Pink elephants, pink pixies one inch tall, pink unicorns, pink grass, pink trees; all in one setting but just different shades of PINK?
somethings are more believable than others...
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 8, 2015 0:07:48 GMT -5
Have you ever felt love? Prove it. "'proof' is the hallmark of religion"-Gaede Like McGrath expressed about the English experience, suggesting that nobody really doubted the existence of God until theologians tried to prove it. Proof is the idol before whom the pure mathematician tortures himself.-eddington Alvin Love is an abstract concept.
Christians claim Jesus to be a real person as well as a god, -not an abstract concept.
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 8, 2015 9:48:31 GMT -5
Have you ever felt love? Prove it. "'proof' is the hallmark of religion"-Gaede Like McGrath expressed about the English experience, suggesting that nobody really doubted the existence of God until theologians tried to prove it. Proof is the idol before whom the pure mathematician tortures himself.-eddington Alvin Love is an abstract concept.
Christians claim Jesus to be a real person as well as a god, -not an abstract concept.
There is near unanimity among scholars that Jesus existed historically,[6][7][nb 1][nb 2][nb 3][nb 4] although biblical scholars differ about the beliefs and teachings of Jesus as well as the accuracy of the details of his life that have been described in the Gospels.[nb 5][12][nb 6][2]:168-173 While scholars have sometimes criticized Jesus scholarship for religious bias and lack of methodological soundness,[nb 7] with very few exceptions, such critics do support the historicity of Jesus, and reject the theory that Jesus never existed, known as the Christ myth theory. wikepedia Like Wally said, some things are more believable than others. It is not unusual for people to not believe in Jesus historicity, or that man went to the moon, the reality of the Holocaust etc. etc. When is enough proof, enough, I guess. Alvin
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Post by snow on Jan 8, 2015 12:11:54 GMT -5
I think the only reason why God and Jesus are more believable is because you have been taught that they exist since a baby. We are the result of early learning so much more than anyone thinks. We need to unlearn certain things we learned early. There is no reason other than early learning that we should believe in a God. I personally think that the justification of believing in a God is weak. Faith is not a great quality as we have been taught to believe. Not in my world anyway. I see faith as a negative that could be very detrimental in my well being.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 12:19:22 GMT -5
I think the only reason why God and Jesus are more believable is because you have been taught that they exist since a baby. We are the result of early learning so much more than anyone thinks. We need to unlearn certain things we learned early. There is no reason other than early learning that we should believe in a God. I personally think that the justification of believing in a God is weak. Faith is not a great quality as we have been taught to believe. Not in my world anyway. I see faith as a negative that could be very detrimental in my well being. and yet you put "faith" in the various documents you have read that speak out against God and religion...
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Post by snow on Jan 8, 2015 12:58:48 GMT -5
I think the only reason why God and Jesus are more believable is because you have been taught that they exist since a baby. We are the result of early learning so much more than anyone thinks. We need to unlearn certain things we learned early. There is no reason other than early learning that we should believe in a God. I personally think that the justification of believing in a God is weak. Faith is not a great quality as we have been taught to believe. Not in my world anyway. I see faith as a negative that could be very detrimental in my well being. and yet you put "faith" in the various documents you have read that speak out against God and religion... Actually no, it's not faith. It is an alternate understanding that I have considered. I am agnostic because I do not have faith in either side of the story. There is a difference. When someone looks at what is most probable then it's not faith. I am quite content to change my mind about anything if given proof of it's existence. I have no proof of a God in existence, and I have no proof that God doesn't exist. I lean towards non existence, but if there was proof I would be totally okay with changing my mind about that. Blind faith seems to make no sense to me at all.
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Post by snow on Jan 8, 2015 13:01:29 GMT -5
I think the only reason why God and Jesus are more believable is because you have been taught that they exist since a baby. We are the result of early learning so much more than anyone thinks. We need to unlearn certain things we learned early. There is no reason other than early learning that we should believe in a God. I personally think that the justification of believing in a God is weak. Faith is not a great quality as we have been taught to believe. Not in my world anyway. I see faith as a negative that could be very detrimental in my well being. I was born and raise as an ancestor worship, Buddhism... I didn't believe in Christianity Jesus/God after my 18 yrs birthday. You're fortunate NOT to unlearn men made traditions rituals, praying to dead people, offering them food yearly, to be kept for many, many generation to come and dare NOT to break it yourself. Believe and worship in something which lead to a dead end grave.I think everything leads to a dead end grave. I have seen no evidence of anything else. I have had to unlearn the teachings of my childhood which I really don't see to be any less restricting or false than ancestor worship. Buddhism isn't really ancestor worship though. It's more a philosophy.
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Post by xna on Jan 8, 2015 13:14:37 GMT -5
I was born and raise as an ancestor worship, Buddhism... I didn't believe in Christianity Jesus/God after my 18 yrs birthday. You're fortunate NOT to unlearn men made traditions rituals, praying to dead people, offering them food yearly, to be kept for many, many generation to come and dare NOT to break it yourself. Believe and worship in something which lead to a dead end grave. It's very unlikely that any can escaped some form of indoctrination, and the same goes for having a bias. The question is; what claims should we believe and why? On what evidence should you have good reason to believe? I think we can learn something about these questions from the legal system. They have been seeking the "truth" for a very long time. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_(law)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proofen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admissible_evidenceen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearsay (what's in the Bible about jesus)
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Post by snow on Jan 8, 2015 15:49:57 GMT -5
I think everything leads to a dead end grave. I have seen no evidence of anything else. I have had to unlearn the teachings of my childhood which I really don't see to be any less restricting or false than ancestor worship. Buddhism isn't really ancestor worship though. It's more a philosophy. Jesus own resurrection gives us hope, that there is eternal LIFE after death. Ancestor worship is Confucius teachings how to live in harmony, and a peaceful life on earth. Buddha had a lot of humanist, philosophy teachings. Before Buddha died he told his own disciples, " I am NOT God, I am seeking for God." 560 later Jesus said, " I am the Way, truth, and the life, no man comes to the Father but through me."= I AM God the Son= the Son of God.Paul had dealt with similar belief among the Christians there is no resurrection of the dead, so he wrote in I Cor. 15:12-22Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Nathan, we can't even know for sure that Jesus was a historical figure never mind that he died and was risen from the dead. It was not a teaching in the very earliest church. Not all groups believed that he rose from the dead. The Christ Paul seemed to always refer to was the Christ that had been a mythical figure throughout history. He was the Christ within, again not historical. Paul never refers to Jesus life but seems to focus only on the Christ which btw is very pagan in it's origins. So what is proof for you, if not proof for me. There is no much doubt about his historical existence never mind that he was a human God.
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Post by rational on Jan 8, 2015 20:05:25 GMT -5
Nathan, we can't even know for sure that Jesus was a historical figure never mind that he died and was risen from the dead. It was not a teaching in the very earliest church. Not all groups believed that he rose from the dead. The Christ Paul seemed to always refer to was the Christ that had been a mythical figure throughout history. He was the Christ within, again not historical. Paul never refers to Jesus life but seems to focus only on the Christ which btw is very pagan in it's origins. So what is proof for you, if not proof for me. There is no much doubt about his historical existence never mind that he was a human God. I am sure there would be a YouTube video about Jesus if the warning against YouTube was not one of the 23 commandments.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 8, 2015 23:54:03 GMT -5
I think the only reason why God and Jesus are more believable is because you have been taught that they exist since a baby. We are the result of early learning so much more than anyone thinks. We need to unlearn certain things we learned early. There is no reason other than early learning that we should believe in a God. I personally think that the justification of believing in a God is weak. Faith is not a great quality as we have been taught to believe. Not in my world anyway. I see faith as a negative that could be very detrimental in my well being. I was born and raise as an ancestor worship, Buddhism... I didn't believe in Christianity Jesus/God after my 18 yrs birthday. You're fortunate NOT to unlearn men made traditions rituals, praying to dead people, offering them food yearly, to be kept for many, many generation to come and dare NOT to break it yourself. Believe and worship in something which lead to a dead end grave.Some of that is just like the Old Testament.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 9, 2015 0:47:46 GMT -5
I think the only reason why God and Jesus are more believable is because you have been taught that they exist since a baby. We are the result of early learning so much more than anyone thinks. We need to unlearn certain things we learned early. There is no reason other than early learning that we should believe in a God. I personally think that the justification of believing in a God is weak. Faith is not a great quality as we have been taught to believe. Not in my world anyway. I see faith as a negative that could be very detrimental in my well being. I was born and raise as an ancestor worship, Buddhism... I didn't believe in Christianity Jesus/God after my 18 yrs birthday. You're fortunate NOT to unlearn men made traditions rituals, praying to dead people, offering them food yearly, to be kept for many, many generation to come and dare NOT to break it yourself. Believe and worship in something which lead to a dead end grave. What do you mean that, "I didn't believe in Christianity Jesus/God after my 18 yrs birthday."
Do you actually mean, that since your 18th birthday you haven't believed in "Christianity/Jesus/God ?"
I thought that you do now believe in "Christianity Jesus/God."
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