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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 6, 2014 18:49:52 GMT -5
This needs to be updated. So now there is the path of the wind and pregnancy/fetal development that are well understood. Looks like the bible says that if the wind and pregnancy can be understood so can the work of god. Rational ~ That sounds reasonable, unless we are talking about the work of God within the souls of man, which still is a mystery? From last report, scientists are still working on disapproving the existence of the soul/spirit within man and have not got it down pat yet?
faune, I have been waiting for you to give us the reports where scientists are still working on disapproving the existence of the soul/spirit within man .
Did I miss it?
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Post by bubbles on Sept 7, 2014 6:15:03 GMT -5
There are a number if scienists who confirm soul and spirit. Look online.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 6:20:07 GMT -5
Not sure if science can "disprove" of anything. It can "prove" things, within reason. And one thing it is never going to "prove" or "disprove" is the existence of a soul.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 12:11:10 GMT -5
i heard a rumor that the body weights 1-2 pounds lighter after death, could that be that the soul left the body?
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 7, 2014 12:46:13 GMT -5
There are a number if scienists who confirm soul and spirit. Look online. If there are a number of scientists, can't you just give even one name to start a search?
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Post by matisse on Sept 7, 2014 12:53:52 GMT -5
i heard a rumor that the body weights 1-2 pounds lighter after death, could that be that the soul left the body? It is not uncommon for urine and feces to leave the body at death.
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Post by rational on Sept 7, 2014 12:57:15 GMT -5
i heard a rumor that the body weights 1-2 pounds lighter after death, could that be that the soul left the body? Rumor should give you a clue. You should read about Duncan MacDougall and his work.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 7, 2014 14:16:31 GMT -5
i heard a rumor that the body weights 1-2 pounds lighter after death, could that be that the soul left the body? ehumn...I don't like to decide an issue on "rumor."
A 1-2 pounds "soul" sounds very heavy for something that is supposed to be of a spiritual dimension !from wiki: "In 1901, a doctor named MacDougall weighed six patients while they were in the process of dying from tuberculosis in an old age home. It was relatively easy to determine when death was only a few hours away, and at this point the entire bed was placed on an industrial sized scale which was reported to be sensitive to "two-tenths of an ounce". He took his results (a varying amount of unaccounted for mass loss in four of the six cases) to support his hypothesis that the 'soul' had mass, and when the 'soul' departed the body, so did this mass. The determination of the 'soul' weighing 21 grams was based on the loss of mass in the first subject at the moment of death.
Later researchers showed that MacDougall's experimental results were flawed, due to the limitations of the available equipment at the time, a lack of sufficient control over the experimental conditions, and the small sample size.
Science writer Karl Kruszelnicki has noted that out of MacDougall's six patients only one had lost weight at the moment of death. Two of the patients were excluded from the results due to "technical difficulties", a patient lost weight but then put the weight back on and two of the other patients registered a loss of weight at death but a few minutes later lost even more weight.
MacDougall did not use the six results just the one that supported his hypothesis. According to Kruszelnicki this was a case of selective reporting as MacDougall had ignored five of the results."[2]Now even I could "prove" something was true if I ignored five out of six experiments and only took the one that agree with what I wanted to believe!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 14:16:39 GMT -5
i heard a rumor that the body weights 1-2 pounds lighter after death, could that be that the soul left the body? Rumor should give you a clue. You should read about Duncan MacDougall and his work. ah thanks for that reference i knew someone did some experiment on it...and its 21 grams not 1-2 pounds... i noticed he accounted for feces and urine loss in his experiment as matisse mentioned.......
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 7, 2014 15:47:01 GMT -5
Rumor should give you a clue. You should read about Duncan MacDougall and his work. ah thanks for that reference i knew someone did some experiment on it...and its 21 grams not 1-2 pounds... i noticed he accounted for feces and urine loss in his experiment as matisse mentioned....... What about all the five experiments that MacDougall didn't use in final calculations?
How about water vapor?
You can't measure that. Water vapor would be an element that starts evaporating immediately a body dies.
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Post by xna on Sept 7, 2014 15:59:49 GMT -5
ah thanks for that reference i knew someone did some experiment on it...and its 21 grams not 1-2 pounds... i noticed he accounted for feces and urine loss in his experiment as matisse mentioned....... What about all the five experiments that MacDougall didn't use in final calculations?
How about water vapor?
You can't measure that. Water vapor would be an element that starts evaporating immediately a body dies.
MacDougall's results were flawed because the methodology used to harvest them was suspect, the sample size far too small, and the ability to measure changes in weight imprecise. For this reason, credence should not be given to the idea his experiments proved something, let alone that they measured the weight of the soul as 21 grams. His postulations on this topic are a curiosity, but nothing more. Read more at www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp#3dXGF3XcCazUoZHa.99
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 16:54:41 GMT -5
ah thanks for that reference i knew someone did some experiment on it...and its 21 grams not 1-2 pounds... i noticed he accounted for feces and urine loss in his experiment as matisse mentioned....... What about all the five experiments that MacDougall didn't use in final calculations?
How about water vapor?
You can't measure that. Water vapor would be an element that starts evaporating immediately a body dies.
his one experiment noted an IMMEDIATE LOSS of weight the body would have had to been on fire for an IMMEDIATE loss of 21 grams of water vapor...there is no doubt though that one experiment is not enough
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Post by bubbles on Sept 7, 2014 22:42:37 GMT -5
Hang on why would anyone bother doing a test like that when the person is no longer in residence?
Should be testing whilevthe soul and spirit is in residence.
Ive been having a right giggle at some of you who think they have no soul or spirit. Imagine a body with no life, a wired brain like a robot. My invisible friends. Virtual invisible friends.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 7, 2014 22:49:19 GMT -5
Hang on why would anyone bother doing a test like that when the person is no longer in residence? Should be testing whilevthe soul and spirit is in residence. Ive been having a right giggle at some of you who think they have no soul or spirit. Imagine a body with no life, a wired brain like a robot. My invisible friends. Virtual invisible friends. Easy to Imagine a body with no life. A dead body.
Invisible friends? Do you have schizophrenia ?
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Post by bubbles on Sept 7, 2014 22:55:11 GMT -5
Hang on why would anyone bother doing a test like that when the person is no longer in residence? Should be testing whilevthe soul and spirit is in residence. Ive been having a right giggle at some of you who think they have no soul or spirit. Imagine a body with no life, a wired brain like a robot. My invisible friends. Virtual invisible friends. Easy to Imagine a body with no life. A dead body.
Invisible friends? Do you have schizophrenia ?What are you? You are invisble to me. You react so you must have some kind of life in you or maybe you are programmed into a computor to answer on certain topics. oh dear. I can see the humour is lost.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 7, 2014 23:19:09 GMT -5
Easy to Imagine a body with no life. A dead body.
Invisible friends? Do you have schizophrenia ? What are you? You are invisble to me. You react so you must have some kind of life in you or maybe you are programmed into a computor to answer on certain topics. oh dear. I can see the humour is lost. So am I "some kind of life" or am I a "programmed computor"? Who Knows?
ha, ha, ha....The Shadow Knows!
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Post by bubbles on Sept 7, 2014 23:22:53 GMT -5
You could be either. In reality.
Only you know the answer.
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Post by kencoolidge on Sept 8, 2014 5:20:38 GMT -5
i heard a rumor that the body weights 1-2 pounds lighter after death, could that be that the soul left the body? wally Does the spirit/soul have weight? ??. Seems like foolish posts on both sides of the question JMT ken
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Post by rational on Sept 8, 2014 8:47:24 GMT -5
i heard a rumor that the body weights 1-2 pounds lighter after death, could that be that the soul left the body? wally Does the spirit/soul have weight???????????????????????????. Seems like foolish posts on both sides of the question JMT ken At the time it was widely believed that things have substance, mass. If you are desperate to prove its existence you try weird things. Now the question is not how much it weights but where might it exist without the body. Or, assuming it is some sort of energy - why can't it be detected? The questions just become more sophisticated. The answers still missing.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 8, 2014 14:16:22 GMT -5
You could be either. In reality. Only you know the answer. One characteristic about me, bubbles" -I must be quite a bit older than you, otherwise you would know about The Shadow! They didn't have computer controlled robots in those days.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 8, 2014 18:40:37 GMT -5
Presume you refer to comics? Movie? Dont think ive seen them not.
Younger? Whats that got to do with the price of fish?
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 8, 2014 18:57:37 GMT -5
Presume you refer to comics? Movie? Dont think ive seen them not. Younger? Whats that got to do with the price of fish? Nooo, NOT the comics[ or a movie.
Try again!
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Post by bubbles on Sept 8, 2014 19:07:40 GMT -5
1930s radio, detective series. Magazine
Gee I wasnt even a twinkle in my fathers eye then.
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Post by rational on Sept 8, 2014 19:18:32 GMT -5
You could be either. In reality. Only you know the answer. One characteristic about me, bubbles" -I must be quite a bit older than you, otherwise you would know about The Shadow! Perhaps not living in the US would be another reason she wouldn't know about The Shadow.
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Post by rational on Sept 8, 2014 19:23:00 GMT -5
Nooo, NOT the comics or a movie.
Try again! ;)
I think your response should have been "Yesss". I believe both answers are correct.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 8, 2014 22:47:24 GMT -5
Nooo, NOT the comics or a movie.
Try again!
I think your response should have been "Yesss". I believe both answers are correct. Really?
I was talking about the radio show in the '40's called "The Shadow." 'Course we couldn't go to movies.
There was also the "Inner Sanctum," "The Whistler," "Lights Out"
My father bought a radio at the beginning of the WWII.
We were still young enough to listen to it.
When I professed, then of course I couldn't listen to them any longer.
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Post by rational on Sept 9, 2014 10:07:35 GMT -5
I think your response should have been "Yesss". I believe both answers are correct. Really? Do you actually think I would have responded without verification? But others might have been talking about the pulp novels, comic strips, and multiple movies with the same name.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 9, 2014 15:59:41 GMT -5
Do you actually think I would have responded without verification? But others might have been talking about the pulp novels, comic strips, and multiple movies with the same name. True, but I was only trying to get bubbles to guess at my age !
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