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Post by xna on Aug 24, 2014 15:45:33 GMT -5
Xna ~ That was a cool video! Now that really does speak for real leadership in a country and the punch line at the end, after speaking about all his charitable deeds ~ he's an atheist! Just goes to show that atheists have a moral code just like the rest of humanity, huh? In fact, there have been a number of atheists in the past who were great humanitarians and philanthropists in the world. They had money and used it for the good of others, which is a noble deed and not inspired by any religious conviction either.
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Post by faune on Aug 24, 2014 15:54:39 GMT -5
Xna ~ I was going to remark about Bill Gates and Warren Buffet in a follow-up post, but you beat me to it. It doesn't surprise me about Pat Roberson, the richest and well known evangelical talk host, being classed the stingiest rich man. He's a taker ~ not a giver!
Here's another list with a slide show of celebrities from the past and present who were very charitable with their money, yet professed to no religion. I believe Paul Newman, now deceased, and Richard Dawkins also come to mind in the area of charitable giving, too. There are many products put out by the Paul Newman healthy food efforts that I buy at the grocery store every week, too. The American Red Cross and UNICEF are just a few of their charities and humanitarian efforts at work in the world today, too?
thaumaturgical.com/a-big-list-of-atheist-charities/
righteousatheist.hubpages.com/hub/Atheist-Charities#slide8573460
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology (This is a very long list from A to Z on Wikipedia.)
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 24, 2014 16:00:05 GMT -5
I can't quite see why you'd be so undone that Irvine Grey invited someone he has spent time with before hand and likely did sit and drink wine as they talked. It is a polite thing to do, in some parts of the world...it shows hospitality, that you want your guest to feel relaxed and enjoy their time with you. They are not out to drink so much wine that they are inebriated, etc! You clearly haven't witnessed Dr Grey and I getting stuck into the wine ..... last time Dr Grey had to be removed from the restaurant by the police while I was found asleep under a bridge some two days later. Matt10 Matt10, I'm sure glad there was a bridge that shielded you!
I enjoy your posts and I would hate to think that something terrible had happened to you and we wouldn't have you posts here!
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Post by bubbles on Aug 24, 2014 17:52:37 GMT -5
You will get a reaction for this. Would you say you also love thalidomide babies? "They are so helpless and grateful for your help." I personally found it offensive. At first I thought she didn't really mean that statement. I really thought bubbles was just trying to compare such a statement with my statement defining faith.
Now I think she meant it. Yes, somewhat like the excuse European countries used as reason for colonizing African & Asian countries.
"They are so helpless and grateful for your help." the "White man's burden"
Reading back Im assuming its about political correctness? It isnt a condescending comment. THese kids are gorgeous they are warm kind amusing. Tell you like it is. Lovely to be around. By the reaction of you both I take it in the usa is a no no. As for the comment on thalidamide babies. my mind doesnt work like that. The only thalidamide person I know is very clever.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 24, 2014 17:57:24 GMT -5
For everyones information I do not belittle children. Quite the opposite.
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Post by xna on Aug 24, 2014 18:48:51 GMT -5
Sir David Attenborough is dead. His quotes on god....... He says the question his correspondents generally ask him is why he doesn't "give credit" to the Lord for having created such wondrous beauty in nature "They mean beautiful things like hummingbirds," says Sir David. "I always reply by saying that I think of a little child in east Africa with a worm burrowing through his eyeball. The worm cannot live in any other way, except by burrowing through eyeballs. I find that hard to reconcile with the notion of a divine and benevolent creator."
Of his own lack of faith, the 82-year-old Sir David tells the latest Radio Times: "It never really occurred to me to believe in God."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WWEfjROm0A www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mandrake/4347954/Sir-David-Attenborough-questioned-on-faith-naturally.html
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 24, 2014 19:43:57 GMT -5
Xna ~ Don't forget to share that cartoon on the Humor thread, too! Thanks for finding it for us! Now for something real youtu.be/tO1yf_VlW90WOW
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 24, 2014 19:50:43 GMT -5
For everyones information I do not belittle children. Quite the opposite. I believe you.
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Post by fixit on Aug 24, 2014 20:22:00 GMT -5
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Post by bubbles on Aug 24, 2014 20:41:09 GMT -5
For everyones information I do not belittle children. Quite the opposite. I believe you. Thank you most kindly..
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Post by xna on Aug 24, 2014 22:07:07 GMT -5
Oops, sorry, my bad Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 23:43:59 GMT -5
but then again maybe i didn't and had a helping hand from my Lord God and master, but then again how could you be wrong? A couple of questions - How could you determine there even was a "helping hand"? If it could be determined that there was some external force involved how would you know to whom to attribute the action? it is felt through faith
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Post by rational on Aug 25, 2014 0:52:47 GMT -5
I know of people who were going to kill themselves then they heard the gospel message that Jesus death on the Calvary's Cross died for their sins. They stopped from killing themselves, because they received new purpose and life to live for. Jesus death on Calvary's Cross has continued to save lives and SOULS. Do you know 40,000 or so? That is the one number of deaths attributed to christianity in one adventure. Lives or souls?
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Post by rational on Aug 25, 2014 1:15:08 GMT -5
Like I said in my previous posts... BOTH... LIVES and SOULS. The numbers could be in the hundreds, thousands, millions. We will KNOW for sure about the numbers in Eternity. So you have little, at this time, to back up your beliefs. Who attempts to kill themselves by lighting the gas oven? Why it raises a question.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 2:42:11 GMT -5
You clearly haven't witnessed Dr Grey and I getting stuck into the wine ..... last time Dr Grey had to be removed from the restaurant by the police while I was found asleep under a bridge some two days later. Matt10 Matt10, I'm sure glad there was a bridge that shielded you!
I enjoy your posts and I would hate to think that something terrible had happened to you and we wouldn't have you posts here!
Fear not DMG, I'm not thinking of leaving any time soon ..... and if I do it certainly won't be as a result of people disagreeing with me or challenging me on my claims or my beliefs. Matt10
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 25, 2014 9:54:01 GMT -5
I can't quite see why you'd be so undone that Irvine Grey invited someone he has spent time with before hand and likely did sit and drink wine as they talked. It is a polite thing to do, in some parts of the world...it shows hospitality, that you want your guest to feel relaxed and enjoy their time with you. They are not out to drink so much wine that they are inebriated, etc! You clearly haven't witnessed Dr Grey and I getting stuck into the wine ..... last time Dr Grey had to be removed from the restaurant by the police while I was found asleep under a bridge some two days later. Matt10 Bhahahahahahahah! I'm surprised you both didn't have burst bladders for the amount of wine you would have had to imbibe to be as above...lah! I'm taking this as supposedly being funny! I doubt seriously Dr. Grey has seen the inside of a police car or police station as an arrestee! And I'm surprised that if you could make it to that bridge, you could have made it home! ha ha
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 25, 2014 14:02:31 GMT -5
Do you know 40,000 or so? That is the one number of deaths attributed to christianity in one adventure. Lives or souls? Like I said in my previous posts... BOTH... LIVES and SOULS. The numbers could be in the hundreds, thousands, millions. We will KNOW for sure about the numbers in Eternity.
One of them was ME! and the other person was one of the friends.... As she was ready to lighten the gas oven with a match to kill herself, she heard someone knocking at the door, it was two of the workers passing out gospel invitation from door to door. I have heard and read stories this taken place in many different denominations... Who had been involved with Drugs, alcohol, gambling debts.... No way out! they met Jesus through the believers with the message of the Cross and it SAVED them from taken their own lives. Nathan. If this woman was going to kill herself, why would she "lighten the gas oven with a match" to kill herself?
It was having the gas on without the oven being lit that would cause death.
Unless, of course she planned to incinerate herself.
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Post by rational on Aug 25, 2014 15:26:12 GMT -5
Sorry, you're correct... she was going to gas herself to death NOT incinerate herself. Do you see how the incorrect details call the big picture into question?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Aug 25, 2014 15:35:02 GMT -5
Well, it well could have been that she had the gas in the oven turned on for some time and she decided to blow herself out of her miseries. I almost checked out once due to a leaky gas oven! Singed my eyelashes off, burned my face pretty bad and caught my blouse on fire! To say the end of that story was that stove left the house that day and I made sure NO one would ever use that oven again...used my husband's horse shoeing mallet and beat the thing to death!
But IF she had planned to go it that route, it's a good thing she hadn't struck that match, for the workers on her doorstep might have gone with her!
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 25, 2014 16:05:17 GMT -5
At first I thought she didn't really mean that statement. I really thought bubbles was just trying to compare such a statement with my statement defining faith.
Now I think she meant it. Yes, somewhat like the excuse European countries used as reason for colonizing African & Asian countries.
"They are so helpless and grateful for your help." the "White man's burden"
Reading back Im assuming its about political correctness?It isnt a condescending comment. THese kids are gorgeous they are warm kind amusing. Tell you like it is. Lovely to be around. By the reaction of you both I take it in the usa is a no no. As for the comment on thalidamide babies. my mind doesnt work like that. The only thalidamide person I know is very clever. Bubbles, I'm sure that you are a caring person and meant nothing wrong by your comment.
There is a reason behind the use of "political correctness."
People are beginning more able to understand how the use of words can hurt people.
example:
Calling someone who was hearing disabled "deaf & dumb" didn't describe someone accurately & but was offensive. Those people weren't "dumb" as in the sense of not having intelligence but unable to speak accurately because they hadn't been able to hear how words sounded.
People begin to use terms such as "speech impaired or hearing impaired."
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Post by rational on Aug 25, 2014 16:44:47 GMT -5
Calling someone who was hearing disabled "deaf & dumb" didn't describe someone accurately & but was offensive. Actually the adjective dumb would be an accurate term for someone who cannot speak. Offensive perhaps, but accurate. And soon those words will become offensive and there will be a vocabulary change. If someone is deaf they are hearing impaired. If they actually are deaf the phrase hearing impaired does not accurately reflect the condition.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 25, 2014 16:55:53 GMT -5
Calling someone who was hearing disabled "deaf & dumb" didn't describe someone accurately & but was offensive. Actually the adjective dumb would be an accurate term for someone who cannot speak. Offensive perhaps, but accurate. Actually, you are right, Rational!
Damn! Foiled again!
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Post by bubbles on Aug 25, 2014 17:39:52 GMT -5
Actually the adjective dumb would be an accurate term for someone who cannot speak. Offensive perhaps, but accurate. Actually, you are right, Rational!
Damn! Foiled again! I do understand political correctness. To a point. In Australia people are notorious for shortening words. Doesnt matter what it is towns, malls anything. Its almost a hip thing. I wont blame my peers for the stuffup. So I do apolgize to anyone offended by my comment "downzie". I will say this I see you both like the judge and jury of TMB.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 25, 2014 17:41:45 GMT -5
AND THATS WITHOUT A STENOGRAPHER!!!!!
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 25, 2014 17:53:59 GMT -5
Calling someone who was hearing disabled "deaf & dumb" didn't describe someone accurately & but was offensive. Actually the adjective dumb would be an accurate term for someone who cannot speak. Offensive perhaps, but accurate. And soon those words will become offensive and there will be a vocabulary change. If someone is deaf they are hearing impaired. If they actually are deaf the phrase hearing impaired does not accurately reflect the condition. Remember what happened to the old term for "field mouse". That was naaasteee.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 25, 2014 17:56:22 GMT -5
Actually, you are right, Rational!
Damn! Foiled again! I do understand political correctness. To a point. In Australia people are notorious for shortening words. Doesnt matter what it is towns, malls anything. Its almost a hip thing. I wont blame my peers for the stuffup. So I do apolgize to anyone offended by my comment "downzie". I will say this I see you both like the judge and jury of TMB. I thought you were using that as a short for "downunder".
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Post by bubbles on Aug 25, 2014 18:01:14 GMT -5
Haha...could work for some. Sometimes Im flabbergasted Eg: Im going into franga wanna come? "What? Whats franga?" "Frankston"= a city Slang.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 25, 2014 18:03:14 GMT -5
Haha...could work for some. Sometimes Im flabbergasted Eg: Im going into franga wanna come? "What? Whats franga?" "Frankston"= a city Slang. We call that "Pig Latin".
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