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Post by jondough on May 1, 2014 23:49:58 GMT -5
You can enlarge your font by clicking reply and going to Font Size. Easy. Thats not the point. She can't see WHILE she types which is why she has to type in all caps. This reply board doesn't enlarge the font while you type. Just about every other program does, which is the reason for my suggestion.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 1:26:06 GMT -5
Imagine if they did a search of Jerome Frandle or Bill Denk? Hmm. Imagine if they searched Dawkins, "the God delusion" or N.Wright "What Paul really said" Paul started Christianity or R.Eisenham "James the brother of Jesus" how Paul usurped Jesus' church or F.Powel, "Robbing Peter to Pay Paul: The Usurpation of Jesus" or C, Zimmer "Evolution: The Triumph of an Idea." Trashing the bible or talkorigins.org, - how the bible doesn't know what its talking about. or "Evolution the TV Series" - more of the same. etc etc three million etceteras................... I mean, it could all be put on "Telling The Truth," because that is what all these books, web sites and TV shows are doing. And they "prove" it with, you know, "facts."
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 2, 2014 3:38:47 GMT -5
Jondough, when you hit reply, a line of options comes up including font size. Try it, you will see that it is possible to alter font size on this board.
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Post by Greg on May 2, 2014 3:55:13 GMT -5
Jondough, when you hit reply, a line of options comes up including font size. Try it, you will see that it is possible to alter font size on this board. The font for making the reply seems to be standard with font changes to be made and then shown after posting.
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Post by CherieKropp on May 2, 2014 9:42:28 GMT -5
Unless the F&W's in the last few months have become uncommon upfront about who they are and what they are called then I don't think most invitees from outside would know what to look for on the net anymore than they knew what information to look for at the city library 30 or 50 years ago. Maybe they get a better idea of what to look up once they get a gospel meeting or two under their belts and they can start plugging words like worker and meeting and convention and friends into google or bing. What they find might give em a cause to do some thinking before they went to the 3rd or 4th gospel meeting or professed but I'm not sure how many people do much searching into churches before professing or many of them would have some trouble getting new attendees and some of the very ones you'd think would have the most trouble because of what is out there about them seem to be doing much better than the workers at both keeping their members and attracting more. The no name and no organization and no buildings and no doctrine and etc lies aren't working anymore and maybe people have seen enough of those exposed in other religious and nonreligious groups that they don't swallow those things so easily these days. Some search for the workers names who are holding the gospel meetings...and wind up using the "Contact Us" button on TTT. Some outside Christians ask for suggestions as to how they can help those in the 2x2 fellowship...such as a parent of a child who is getting in a serious relationship with a 2x2. One I recall was renting from a 2x2 landlord who invited them to meetings. Some who work with 2x2s. Neighbors, etc.
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Post by snow on May 2, 2014 10:50:25 GMT -5
Unless the F&W's in the last few months have become uncommon upfront about who they are and what they are called then I don't think most invitees from outside would know what to look for on the net anymore than they knew what information to look for at the city library 30 or 50 years ago. Maybe they get a better idea of what to look up once they get a gospel meeting or two under their belts and they can start plugging words like worker and meeting and convention and friends into google or bing. What they find might give em a cause to do some thinking before they went to the 3rd or 4th gospel meeting or professed but I'm not sure how many people do much searching into churches before professing or many of them would have some trouble getting new attendees and some of the very ones you'd think would have the most trouble because of what is out there about them seem to be doing much better than the workers at both keeping their members and attracting more. The no name and no organization and no buildings and no doctrine and etc lies aren't working anymore and maybe people have seen enough of those exposed in other religious and nonreligious groups that they don't swallow those things so easily these days. Some search for the workers names who are holding the gospel meetings...and wind up using the "Contact Us" button on TTT. Some outside Christians ask for suggestions as to how they can help those in the 2x2 fellowship...such as a parent of a child who is getting in a serious relationship with a 2x2. One I recall was renting from a 2x2 landlord who invited them to meetings. Some who work with 2x2s. Neighbors, etc. What do you tell these people Cherie?
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Post by sacerdotal on May 2, 2014 11:32:30 GMT -5
I would think that the content of several websites on the internet would keep "outsiders" from the gospel meetings. Just the printing of the doctrine alone could keep outsiders away- the doctrine of "one must believe in the church in the home and the workers without a home" doctrine that Lyle Schoeber recently made very clear that one had to believe that doctrine to be a member of this fellowship- or at least keep quiet about it if one didn't believe in that doctrine.
It is very much like the problem that Scientology has once their doctrine was put onto the internet. Before one had to attend quiet a few classes to fully come to understand what their doctrine was, at Bridge Level III they would learn all about Xenu, other planets, alients, etc. That used to be how gospel meetings worked- go to meetings for awhile, until the workers felt like you understood that they were the only right preachers, then they would test the meeting where one could affirm that they too believed that.
The doctrine on the internet kind of short circuits the process and the workers don't know how to handle it- except by doubling-down on the doctrine, which seems to me the wrong way to go.
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Post by blandie on May 2, 2014 11:54:04 GMT -5
The doctrine on the internet kind of short circuits the process and the workers don't know how to handle it- except by doubling-down on the doctrine, which seems to me the wrong way to go. Yeah it does a bit but they still deny just about everything written about them so they have a fallback there. What gets strange and eventually unsatisfying about that answer is that after saying all the internet stuff is garbage they won't state to people or write down or point to their own web site to show what are their core teachings. Instead they are expected to sit through enough gospel meetings and then a lifetime of more meetings until they finally get the concepts which are just about exactly the same as what the internet says.
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Post by Gene on May 2, 2014 15:41:47 GMT -5
Unless the F&W's in the last few months have become uncommon upfront about who they are and what they are called then I don't think most invitees from outside would know what to look for on the net anymore than they knew what information to look for at the city library 30 or 50 years ago. I don't think this is quite true. 30 years ago what reference material could you use to even start a look-up? 30 years ago I went to the library at the Baylor Baptist University in Waco, Texas, to research what I could about the church. I used the card catalog and looked up things like Cooney, 2x2, and Christian Convention. One thing led to another, and I eventually found their entire collection of "Bright Words" booklets (I think that was the name), as well as an article written by Arthur Karl Piepkorn in his encyclopedia of religions.
I was a young worker at the time, too! (On the road to perdition, obviously.)
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Post by rational on May 2, 2014 17:48:41 GMT -5
You can enlarge your font by clicking reply and going to Font Size. Easy. Thats not the point. She can't see WHILE she types which is why she has to type in all caps. This reply board doesn't enlarge the font while you type. Just about every other program does, which is the reason for my suggestion. This is incorrect. If you switch from BBCode to Preview by clicking on the tabs at the bottom of the page and then click on the Font Size drop-down and select a larger font, whatever you type from that point will be displayed in the larger font. Let's not make sweeping statements without investigation. PS - You refer to magpie as 'she' but magpie has the gender set to 'male'.
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Post by Greg on May 2, 2014 17:58:50 GMT -5
Thats not the point. She can't see WHILE she types which is why she has to type in all caps. This reply board doesn't enlarge the font while you type. Just about every other program does, which is the reason for my suggestion. This is incorrect. If you switch from BBCode to Preview by clicking on the tabs at the bottom of the page and then click on the Font Size drop-down and select a larger font, whatever you type from that point will be displayed in the larger font. Let's not make sweeping statements without investigation. PS - You refer to magpie as 'she' but magpie has the gender set to 'male'. Yup. That works.
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Post by rational on May 2, 2014 18:13:13 GMT -5
This is incorrect. If you switch from BBCode to Preview by clicking on the tabs at the bottom of the page and then click on the Font Size drop-down and select a larger font, whatever you type from that point will be displayed in the larger font. Yup. That works.I am somewhat concerned that you doubted what I posted to the point where you had to test it. I will have to consider an appropriate and proportional response.
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Post by Done4now on May 2, 2014 19:05:02 GMT -5
interestingly enough--I recently talked to someone who attended a couple gospel meetings a few years ago. In this particular case, they were more put out by the lack of a website.
When initially invited they queried as to the name, and their professing friend gave an answer that seemed non-responsive. The next question was--is there a website that you can point me to--which elicited an uninformative song and dance from the professing friend.
This man checked a couple meetings out anyway, but wasn't impressed. He had no idea that web sites existed until we talked several years later. The lack of any official web presence made him assume from the get-go that this is a "fly-by-night" and untrustworthy organization--not one to waste time on.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 20:00:24 GMT -5
I wished books like the Secret sect or maybe Church without a name was available at campus libraries. Of course, the internet is available in college libraries even if some parent wouldn't allow internet access.
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Post by Greg on May 2, 2014 20:05:40 GMT -5
I wished books like the Secret sect or maybe Church without a name was available at campus libraries. Of course, the internet is available in college libraries even if some parent wouldn't allow internet access. Perhaps you could make your own wish come true. Just get some donations along with your own generous giving, then buy some books and give them to some libraries.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 21:01:28 GMT -5
I wished books like the Secret sect or maybe Church without a name was available at campus libraries. Of course, the internet is available in college libraries even if some parent wouldn't allow internet access. Nathan. Here's an idea. Lets formally ask the purveyors of Telling The Truth and The Secret Sect if we can have a right-of-reply. We could request a page on that web site, and chapter in that book. The answer (if any) would be interesting, wouldn't it?
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Post by fixit on May 2, 2014 21:09:22 GMT -5
I wished books like the Secret sect or maybe Church without a name was available at campus libraries. Of course, the internet is available in college libraries even if some parent wouldn't allow internet access. Nathan. Here's an idea. Lets formally ask the purveyors of Telling The Truth and The Secret Sect if we can have a right-of-reply. We could request a page on that web site, and chapter in that book. The answer (if any) would be interesting, wouldn't it?I expect both of you would be pretty good exhibits.
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Post by Greg on May 2, 2014 21:17:45 GMT -5
I wished books like the Secret sect or maybe Church without a name was available at campus libraries. Of course, the internet is available in college libraries even if some parent wouldn't allow internet access. Nathan. Here's an idea. Lets formally ask the purveyors of Telling The Truth and The Secret Sect if we can have a right-of-reply. We could request a page on that web site, and chapter in that book. The answer (if any) would be interesting, wouldn't it?And in like manner, you (Bert) could ask the workers for former members to have time to speak as the workers have time in their conventions and public meetings. "The answer (if any) would be interesting, wouldn't it?" Perhaps though, a link on TTT to "opposing views" might be a good idea. You and Nathan have a link for TTT on your websites, right? Seriously
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Post by jondough on May 2, 2014 21:23:00 GMT -5
Thats not the point. She can't see WHILE she types which is why she has to type in all caps. This reply board doesn't enlarge the font while you type. Just about every other program does, which is the reason for my suggestion. This is incorrect. If you switch from BBCode to Preview by clicking on the tabs at the bottom of the page and then click on the Font Size drop-down and select a larger font, whatever you type from that point will be displayed in the larger font. Let's not make sweeping statements without investigation. PS - You refer to magpie as 'she' but magpie has the gender set to 'male'. 2 strikes thank you
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 21:24:30 GMT -5
Ha ha. Not on the same league for either suggestion. Former members can speak to members anytime they like, but not in a meeting. I don't want CURRENT MEMBERS to rabbit on about their private angsts in the meeting.
And we would LOVE for former members to come back and take part in our gatherings.
And a "link" is not enough. I am sure if The Secret Sect" is genuine in its appraisal of us then we should have the right to present our case, no?
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Post by jondough on May 2, 2014 21:32:44 GMT -5
This works!
Why didn't you tell me this a long time ago? Its much easier to see. All this cut and pasting for nothing. You can see in different color as well. Or if you italicize.
Am I the only person here that didn't know this?
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Post by ellie on May 2, 2014 21:54:43 GMT -5
For tired eyes and a conventional PC how about either:
• Holding down the CTRL button and scrolling in or out with the scroll ball on the mouse.
• Holding down the CTRL button while pressing the + or – keys.
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Post by ellie on May 2, 2014 22:06:25 GMT -5
interestingly enough--I recently talked to someone who attended a couple gospel meetings a few years ago. In this particular case, they were more put out by the lack of a website. When initially invited they queried as to the name, and their professing friend gave an answer that seemed non-responsive. The next question was--is there a website that you can point me to--which elicited an uninformative song and dance from the professing friend. This man checked a couple meetings out anyway, but wasn't impressed. He had no idea that web sites existed until we talked several years later. The lack of any official web presence made him assume from the get-go that this is a "fly-by-night" and untrustworthy organization--not one to waste time on. Good point. I wouldn't go to an unfamiliar church without a website. Who knows what I could be getting myself into?
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Post by Roselyn T on May 2, 2014 22:44:37 GMT -5
Ha ha. Not on the same league for either suggestion. And we would LOVE for former members to come back and take part in our gatherings. And a "link" is not enough. I am sure if The Secret Sect" is genuine in its appraisal of us then we should have the right to present our case, no? Really? You mean that I could come to your meeting regularly and take part (pray and speak and take communion), obviously in an appropriate and Godly way? And you would not only tolerate it, but you would LOVE it? And that view would also be held by the Queensland workers? Who or what is stopping you from presenting your case in response to the Secret Sect? I say go for it. I would genuinely love to see websites and books pop up all over the place not only defending the 2x2 group but laying out what you believe. They would be an interesting read. By the way there are a number of workers who have privately admitted that The Secret Sect is factual. In my opinion though you don't have to read The Secret Sect, TTT or any other website to know that the workers teach unsound doctrine. You only have to read God's inerrant word in the Bible. B. That is a great suggestion for you Bert ( Thanks Ross ) Maybe you could add it to your site as a Q & A Bert. It would be great to see the doctrine of the F&W on a website ! Or you could write a book yourself to prove the Secret Sect is wrong !!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 22:44:53 GMT -5
Being "factual" isn't' the problem if you are savvy. It's "what part of factual are you referring to"? Do you listen to politicians being "factual"? Religious ministers being "factual"? Sales people being "factual"? "Think tanks" being "factual"? Historians being "factual"?
And there's the problem. Plenty "factual" in Scientology, you know. No doubt about it. Yes we do take too many drugs, yes our health isn't good. Yes our families aren't in good shape. Have to admit, "factual."
With "facts" I can totally misrepresent you if I wanted to.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 22:48:09 GMT -5
Quote - "see the doctrine of the F&W on a website"
Q - what was Jesus' doctrine?
You are not going to answer it, in fact you might not care to answer it. But in a web site I set out to do just that. I think I got about two comments from it on this board. And one said it was "too long" to read.
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Post by fixit on May 2, 2014 23:16:54 GMT -5
Quote - " see the doctrine of the F&W on a website" Q - what was Jesus' doctrine?
You are not going to answer it, in fact you might not care to answer it. But in a web site I set out to do just that. I think I got about two comments from it on this board. And one said it was "too long" to read.Why didn't you post a link on your post, if you believe in it yourself? Why not have links on your TMB footer? Here is the essence of Jesus' doctrine:
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 2, 2014 23:18:30 GMT -5
Thats not the point. She can't see WHILE she types which is why she has to type in all caps. This reply board doesn't enlarge the font while you type. Just about every other program does, which is the reason for my suggestion. This is incorrect. If you switch from BBCode to Preview by clicking on the tabs at the bottom of the page and then click on the Font Size drop-down and select a larger font, whatever you type from that point will be displayed in the larger font. Let's not make sweeping statements without investigation. PS - You refer to magpie as 'she' but magpie has the gender set to 'male'. Cheers Rational.
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