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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 18:11:39 GMT -5
Can you believe it? Casa Blanca is next week! Anyone know the names of any visiting workers. Will there be an emphasis on warning people about the CSA scourge? NAW!
Convention season is back in the good ole US of A.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 22:44:27 GMT -5
past convention memories are good, look forward to more in the near future...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 23:36:40 GMT -5
Can you believe it? Casa Blanca is next week! Anyone know the names of any visiting workers. Will there be an emphasis on warning people about the CSA scourge? NAW! Convention season is back in the good ole US of A. Well if they did, you will report Workers are talking about themselves again. And in the four days of convention many former members will have spent that time at home, sitting through 120 acts of TV violence, two dozen murders and over 100 scenes containing nudity, consensual or forced sex, pederasty, pedophilia, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality and indecent language. - and loving every bit of it. So please....
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Post by whyisitso on Apr 20, 2014 0:30:38 GMT -5
Can you believe it? Casa Blanca is next week! Anyone know the names of any visiting workers. Will there be an emphasis on warning people about the CSA scourge? NAW! Convention season is back in the good ole US of A. Well if they did, you will report Workers are talking about themselves again. And in the four days of convention many former members will have spent that time at home, sitting through 120 acts of TV violence, two dozen murders and over 100 scenes containing nudity, consensual or forced sex, pederasty, pedophilia, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality and indecent language. - and loving every bit of it. So please.... Wow Bert, your days sure are different to mine and I don't even go to meetings! You need to switch off that TV & computer if that's the kind of stuff you're looking at......
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 20, 2014 0:45:45 GMT -5
Can you believe it? Casa Blanca is next week! Anyone know the names of any visiting workers. Will there be an emphasis on warning people about the CSA scourge? NAW! Convention season is back in the good ole US of A. Well if they did, you will report Workers are talking about themselves again. And in the four days of convention many former members will have spent that time at home, sitting through 120 acts of TV violence, two dozen murders and over 100 scenes containing nudity, consensual or forced sex, pederasty, pedophilia, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality and indecent language. - and loving every bit of it. So please.... Wow. How many screens can you watch at a time, Bert?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 1:25:30 GMT -5
don't worry its illegal in america too...
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Post by kencoolidge on Apr 20, 2014 6:01:56 GMT -5
Can you believe it? Casa Blanca is next week! Anyone know the names of any visiting workers. Will there be an emphasis on warning people about the CSA scourge? NAW! Convention season is back in the good ole US of A. Well if they did, you will report Workers are talking about themselves again. And in the four days of convention many former members will have spent that time at home, sitting through 120 acts of TV violence, two dozen murders and over 100 scenes containing nudity, consensual or forced sex, pederasty, pedophilia, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality and indecent language. - and loving every bit of it. So please.... And there you have it Berts view of the world of exes. You should get out more bert
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 19:41:19 GMT -5
Ken's Quote - "And there you have it Berts view of the world of exes. You should get out more bert" Ross' Quote - "Bert - from an Aussie to an Aussie, only a goose would write this! Seriously, you must spend too much time on the net if you are thinking about this perverted stuff."
Ken and Ross, I know a few dozen former members of my church. Their TV consumption seems no different to anyone else.
So in America I must assume the average former member, as per the average American TV viewer, will watch OVER four hours a day of television. And from that daily consumption the above figures were drawn.
If you have multiple TV's or like to channel surf a lot, you most likely could see a lot more of this spiritually edifying stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 20:28:48 GMT -5
I am not sure where this 50% figure, or any figure, would come from. It's not our church policy to accept TV. If someone in my church wants to own a TV then that's THEIR policy. And given the content and even philosophy of TV - they are welcome to it.
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Post by whyisitso on Apr 20, 2014 21:04:22 GMT -5
I agree with Ross. I think there's far more to worry about with the internet than there is with a TV, but go ahead and ignore what he said Bert cause acknowledging it is not going to help your 'argument'.
I think you can get a thing called 'Net Nanny' - it will help you with all the inappropriate stuff you're looking at on the Internet Bert.
And besides all that, some of your list mentioned.... Well I recon you'd find some of that at convention too - not that you'd actually see it cause all that CSA stuff is far better if it's covered up right? Or does it not exist?
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Post by gecko45 on Apr 20, 2014 22:37:02 GMT -5
Anyone familiar with the Casa Grande convention?
How many would attend on average? Is it an actual working farm? How modern are the amenities (hot showers and flush toilets or primitive)? A secure future or potential for closure (or move)? Located near a concentration of friends or do most attendees come from afar?
Can I inspect the grounds via Google Earth??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 23:59:16 GMT -5
I am not sure where this 50% figure, or any figure, would come from. It's not our church policy to accept TV. If someone in my church wants to own a TV then that's THEIR policy. And given the content and even philosophy of TV - they are welcome to it. A ministry group that can't make a proper policy on child protection would be best to stay away from pronouncing any policy on TV. Where I live, they actually do that. The official policy on TV is no policy other than a few traditionalists. I think that's fair enough. There is no sense making policies about something you know nothing about.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 0:31:20 GMT -5
When you define someone as a "traditionalist" for taking offense at a daily diet of: 30 acts of violence, 6 murders over 25 scenes containing nudity, consensual or forced sex, pederasty, pedophilia, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality, substance abuse and indecent language.
You aren't making a judgment call - you are avoiding one.
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Post by whyisitso on Apr 21, 2014 1:00:44 GMT -5
When you define someone as a "traditionalist" for taking offense at a daily diet of: 30 acts of violence, 6 murders over 25 scenes containing nudity, consensual or forced sex, pederasty, pedophilia, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality, substance abuse and indecent language. You aren't making a judgment call - you are avoiding one. What Chanel are you watching? Serious question. Murders or acts of violence I would likely see on the news (which I also see reading the paper) but not the actual act of murder. I have NEVER seen pederasty, pedophilia, bestiality on a tv show.... Again, possibly a news report, same as I would see in a newspaper.... As for the rest, that would really be determined by what shows I'm watching.... And AGAIN, that depends on my own conscience and what I see fit to watch. But as has already been mentioned, what is VERY easily accessible on the internet is far far worse than anything you'd get on tv, but you don't seem able to acknowledge that, because obviously you have the internet so it must be just fine in 'Bert's rules'. I think you need to focus on what needs to be fixed in your church rather than determining what those who have left watch on tv, if indeed they have a tv! I don't believe you've ever been in my house to know what we watch on tv.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 6:21:22 GMT -5
Brownowl - I am not saying that when you watch drugs on TV that drugs are being promoted, rather, its stories about drugs. Drug dealers, narco gangs and addicts fill your screen. Day in, day out, year in, year out - you just get used to it all. Fringe activity shifts inexorably into the mainstream.
Tough guys smoking dope, suave guys snorting cocaine... That's how cigarettes, particularly for women, got a boost (cool guys, bad girls --- smoked)
And some things, like pornography crept in so gradually that one day you realize that what was once called "porn" is no different to what you watch on prime time TV. It has been mainstreamed.
Let's hear it from Wikipedia about "Emmanuelle"
Emmanuelle 4 (1984), starring Kristel and new Emmanuelle Mia Nygren, had hardcore scenes shot, but they were never used. These scenes, which did not involve the main actors, were included in television versions and turned up as extras on European DVD editions of Emmanuelle 4 and in a version called "Emmanuelle 4X" on a VHS in France in the 1980s.
Emmanuelle 5 (1986), directed by Walerian Borowczyk, was released in two versions: one with softcore love scenes, and a French home video version that extended several scenes with hardcore sex directed by Borowczyk (apparently Borowczyk said that he had not directed them). The scenes are the Love Express and dance studio segments, embellished with penetration, ejaculation and a woman urinating. This VHS version omits several minutes of footage seen in the public version (including dialogue and plot).
Emmanuelle 6 (1988) also had two hardcore scenes (one short without ejaculation - but fellatio and penetration - with the couple comprising a man and a woman, whom Emmanuelle watches in a horse box, and the second longer, with fellatio, penetration and ejaculation, starring the same couple entering the place where Emmanuelle was being held prisoner at the end of the movie), directed by erotic horror specialist Jean Rollin. However, they were not used in the theater version, but were included on a hardcore VHS version in France.
See the shift?
You can follow something similar with the "Lolita" story (12 year old nympho)
YOU CAN DEFEND WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT, but because you set your standards by the world, YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHAT WILL BE CONSIDERED RIGHT TOMORROW.
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Post by jondough on Apr 21, 2014 10:35:10 GMT -5
I can honestly say that if you are going to have a rule (unwritten) against TV's, then it would make no common sense not to have the same rule (unwritten) against computers. Here are some comparisons off the top of my head:
-TV's are regulated as to the content that can be shown....no regulation on the internet.
-Usually a TV is in an open area in a home where the children can be monitored by their parents what they are watching. Computers are usually used privately.
-Headphones can be worn when watching a computer so parents or others around cant hear what your watching. TVs can be heard by others around that would help with monitoring.
-TV's can be a family experience. The entire family maybe watching a good National Geographic. Computers create no interaction between family, but rather everyone disappears to their own computer.
-Tracking of individuals, even children can be easily done through computers. Not so with TV's
- What type of channels can be limited with a TV. Every computer has access to every evil internet site available with a click of a button.
-You can access everything shown on TV by way of the internet. You cannot access even 1% of the internet through a TV
- Pedophiles can and have preyed on children through the internet. They have not and cannot through a TV
-Many married people have met others through the internet, had affairs, and even left their spouse. They have not through a TV
-I don't know this for a fact, but I would venture to guess that far more unprofitable time is wasted on the internet than watching TV.
-These things are accessible through the internet: forced sex, pederasty, pedophilia, bestiality but not a TV. Maybe because Bert has seen them there he is assuming they are also on TV?
-The extent and dept of mind warping evil that can be accessed via the internet probably exceeds our own imaginations. A TV's would pale in camparison.
-The internet has "Truth" bashers.....TV's don't.
-The amount of time I now see Workers spending on their computers/internet is pretty mind bogling in itself. TV never had that same time sucking appeal. How much time due to the internet do you think has been taking away from prayer, and spreading the Good News to lost sheep? vs the same time wasted due to staying in someones house that owns a TV?
And on and on and on...........
So when I hear someone say that they think that someone is wrong to own a TV when they themselves own a computer with access to the internet...To me, its one of the most hypocritical statements I think can be made. It's like a guy driving a Rolls Royce looking out his window and criticizing someone for driving a Mercedes because they are full of pride .
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Post by sayitaintso on Apr 21, 2014 11:05:31 GMT -5
Bert, you are amazing. I venture to say that MANY of the "saints" in attendance at convention are carrying smart phones that have everything my TV has. News will be read, Facebook will checked in on, Netflix will be on, and so it goes. You professing folks do not have the market anymore on being "holier than thou". That ship has sailed. The truth is about as full of a bunch of perverts, TV news hounds, movie goers, etc. as the rest of the world is. The only thing going on at convention and being "separated" from the world for four days, is the SAME testimony going round and round....all about being thankful to be separated which is truly a bunch of hog wash. You all are living in a dream world. AND furthermore, I'm an EX, I stay home and work and my TV is never on. I learn about what is going on this world from my MOM who has professed for about 70 years.....and now sits with her Ipad on her lap, surfing the internet.
Geez, you are odd.
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Post by sayitaintso on Apr 21, 2014 11:10:45 GMT -5
Back to the subject of this thread! Don't get me wrong, I've loved convention - all for wrong reasons - and I'm certain Casa Grande will be wonderful - lots of socializing, hugs, feeling all warm and fuzzy seeing everyone, eating good food and lifting one another up - but not one mention of GRACE.....how sad.
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Post by snow on Apr 21, 2014 11:13:33 GMT -5
Anyone familiar with the Casa Grande convention? How many would attend on average? Is it an actual working farm? How modern are the amenities (hot showers and flush toilets or primitive)? A secure future or potential for closure (or move)? Located near a concentration of friends or do most attendees come from afar? Can I inspect the grounds via Google Earth?? Casa Grande is just outside of Phoenix. In between Tuscon and Phoenix actually. Likely lots of friends in the vicinity.
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Post by snow on Apr 21, 2014 11:21:58 GMT -5
Brownowl - I am not saying that when you watch drugs on TV that drugs are being promoted, rather, its stories about drugs. Drug dealers, narco gangs and addicts fill your screen. Day in, day out, year in, year out - you just get used to it all. Fringe activity shifts inexorably into the mainstream. Tough guys smoking dope, suave guys snorting cocaine... That's how cigarettes, particularly for women, got a boost (cool guys, bad girls --- smoked) And some things, like pornography crept in so gradually that one day you realize that what was once called "porn" is no different to what you watch on prime time TV. It has been mainstreamed. Let's hear it from Wikipedia about "Emmanuelle"Emmanuelle 4 (1984), starring Kristel and new Emmanuelle Mia Nygren, had hardcore scenes shot, but they were never used. These scenes, which did not involve the main actors, were included in television versions and turned up as extras on European DVD editions of Emmanuelle 4 and in a version called "Emmanuelle 4X" on a VHS in France in the 1980s. Emmanuelle 5 (1986), directed by Walerian Borowczyk, was released in two versions: one with softcore love scenes, and a French home video version that extended several scenes with hardcore sex directed by Borowczyk (apparently Borowczyk said that he had not directed them). The scenes are the Love Express and dance studio segments, embellished with penetration, ejaculation and a woman urinating. This VHS version omits several minutes of footage seen in the public version (including dialogue and plot). Emmanuelle 6 (1988) also had two hardcore scenes (one short without ejaculation - but fellatio and penetration - with the couple comprising a man and a woman, whom Emmanuelle watches in a horse box, and the second longer, with fellatio, penetration and ejaculation, starring the same couple entering the place where Emmanuelle was being held prisoner at the end of the movie), directed by erotic horror specialist Jean Rollin. However, they were not used in the theater version, but were included on a hardcore VHS version in France. See the shift?You can follow something similar with the " Lolita" story (12 year old nympho) YOU CAN DEFEND WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT, but because you set your standards by the world, YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHAT WILL BE CONSIDERED RIGHT TOMORROW. How do you justify being on the internet Bert? How is it any better than a TV? In fact, there is more on the internet of the nature you are harping about than on any TV set. I don't watch TV but that doesn't mean that I think it's bad. I just am not that interested. If you are on the internet, you are no better than if you watch TV imo. I was absolutely amazed a few years ago when I found TMB that the friends were even allowed computers. When I was growing up in the Truth, TV's were not allowed so I never ever thought you would be allowed computers. How do you justify computer usage but not TV usage?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 13:58:17 GMT -5
Bert, you are amazing. I venture to say that MANY of the "saints" in attendance at convention are carrying smart phones that have everything my TV has. News will be read, Facebook will checked in on, Netflix will be on, and so it goes. You professing folks do not have the market anymore on being "holier than thou". That ship has sailed. The truth is about as full of a bunch of perverts, TV news hounds, movie goers, etc. as the rest of the world is. The only thing going on at convention and being "separated" from the world for four days, is the SAME testimony going round and round....all about being thankful to be separated which is truly a bunch of hog wash. You all are living in a dream world. AND furthermore, I'm an EX, I stay home and work and my TV is never on. I learn about what is going on this world from my MOM who has professed for about 70 years.....and now sits with her Ipad on her lap, surfing the internet. Geez, you are odd. You bring up an interesting observation. Some friends are much more knowledgeable about all the evils in the world than most people "in the world". Bert is a powerful example of that but he is far from alone among the friends. My theory is that most of them who seek out the knowledge of every evil in the world do so because they have either bitten bit chunk off Eve's apple and swallowed it whole, or they are constantly trying to justify their decision to stay in the meetings by convincing themselves that the world 100% evil. Interestingly, I rarely hear the workers railing against all the world's evils anymore. I heard plenty of it growing up in the meetings but it's either pretty tame these days or not heard at all. It's (some of) the friends who are really into it.
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Post by snow on Apr 21, 2014 17:12:50 GMT -5
How do you justify being on the internet Bert? How is it any better than a TV? In fact, there is more on the internet of the nature you are harping about than on any TV set. I don't watch TV but that doesn't mean that I think it's bad. I just am not that interested. If you are on the internet, you are no better than if you watch TV imo. I was absolutely amazed a few years ago when I found TMB that the friends were even allowed computers. When I was growing up in the Truth, TV's were not allowed so I never ever thought you would be allowed computers. How do you justify computer usage but not TV usage? I'm sure he only uses the internet for E-mailing other saints and furtherance of the Gospel... Lol do you really think so!! He knows more about about all those 'horrible worldy things' than I do lol. It's probably because they just gravitate to him though because I'm sure he doesn't ever go looking for things of those kinds of subjects...
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Post by Gene on Apr 21, 2014 17:59:46 GMT -5
Brownowl - I am not saying that when you watch drugs on TV that drugs are being promoted, rather, its stories about drugs. Drug dealers, narco gangs and addicts fill your screen. Day in, day out, year in, year out - you just get used to it all. Fringe activity shifts inexorably into the mainstream. Tough guys smoking dope, suave guys snorting cocaine... That's how cigarettes, particularly for women, got a boost (cool guys, bad girls --- smoked) And some things, like pornography crept in so gradually that one day you realize that what was once called "porn" is no different to what you watch on prime time TV. It has been mainstreamed. Let's hear it from Wikipedia about "Emmanuelle"Emmanuelle 4 (1984), starring Kristel and new Emmanuelle Mia Nygren, had hardcore scenes shot, but they were never used. These scenes, which did not involve the main actors, were included in television versions and turned up as extras on European DVD editions of Emmanuelle 4 and in a version called "Emmanuelle 4X" on a VHS in France in the 1980s. Emmanuelle 5 (1986), directed by Walerian Borowczyk, was released in two versions: one with softcore love scenes, and a French home video version that extended several scenes with hardcore sex directed by Borowczyk (apparently Borowczyk said that he had not directed them). The scenes are the Love Express and dance studio segments, embellished with penetration, ejaculation and a woman urinating. This VHS version omits several minutes of footage seen in the public version (including dialogue and plot). Emmanuelle 6 (1988) also had two hardcore scenes (one short without ejaculation - but fellatio and penetration - with the couple comprising a man and a woman, whom Emmanuelle watches in a horse box, and the second longer, with fellatio, penetration and ejaculation, starring the same couple entering the place where Emmanuelle was being held prisoner at the end of the movie), directed by erotic horror specialist Jean Rollin. However, they were not used in the theater version, but were included on a hardcore VHS version in France. See the shift?You can follow something similar with the " Lolita" story (12 year old nympho) YOU CAN DEFEND WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT, but because you set your standards by the world, YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHAT WILL BE CONSIDERED RIGHT TOMORROW. Bert, I had never heard of Emmanuelle until now, but if you liked it, you might also like the American film from 2006, Shortbus.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 18:07:03 GMT -5
Bert, I had never heard of Emmanuelle until now, but if you liked it, you might also like the American film from 2006, Shortbus. I don't know about Shortbus, but I sure like Shortbread.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 19:07:37 GMT -5
I pick up all this on the print media. When "Something About Mary" came out there was a lot of commentary about this film as it seemed to cross a line into "hard porn." I know this lovely lady who is a receptionist - butter wouldn't melt in her mouth. She told me one day that she had seen a "the funniest movie I have ever seen!" "Oh, what is it called?" I asked. "Something About Mary" Coming from her I was gobsmacked. "It was so funny! There's these guys all having sex in the bushes, and another guy had sperm in his hair!!!"
R.r.r.r.i.i.i.i.g.g.h.h.h.t.t.t.t.
One Disney executive justified the "fart jokes" in Disney cartoons by saying, "We don't live in a Norman Rockwell world anymore."
How do you chart all this? Is anyone even trying?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 19:30:09 GMT -5
How about we put Casa Grande on You Tube?
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Post by sayitaintso on Apr 21, 2014 19:42:37 GMT -5
How about we put Casa Grande on You Tube? EPIC.
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Post by gecko45 on Apr 22, 2014 0:23:43 GMT -5
How about we put Casa Grande on You Tube? Do they "broadcast" some of the meetings over the phone for the ones unable to get there? Its only a matter of time before audio recordings will get passed around. It gives some of the senior workers nightmare just thinking of such.
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