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Post by magpie on May 2, 2014 7:45:04 GMT -5
THEY GET FOUND OUT. THEN TACTICS CHANGE. MORE CAUTIOUS AND CUNNING. PUT ON A NEW FACE. HOW LONG WOULD THEIR FIRST DECEPTIVE LIFE GONE ON UNTIL FOUND OUT. MOCK REMORSE,CAUSE FOUND OUT. CRIMINAL CHILD MOLESTING,CALL IT ANYTHING YOU LIKE WHY DO YOU WASTE TIME DISCECTING A WORD OR TWO WHEN YOU DO NOTHING TO STOP ANOTHER VICTIM OF A WORKER TAKING THEIR LIFE OR PLACED IN A PSYCHIATRIC CARE SITUATION,OR FOREVER FEEL VIOLATED,GUILTY AND UNCLEAN. PLENTY TO DATE,SO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
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Post by magpie on May 2, 2014 7:51:46 GMT -5
to rational,Why are trying to divert people away from the severity of the brutal crime of molesting lovely little children. Pedophile or a depraved brute. Arose by any other name smells the same. You need strong counselling to help you grasp the serious reality of trying to protect a sect,ministry,minister or your own face
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Post by snow on May 2, 2014 9:36:03 GMT -5
DEAR SNOW,YOU ARE SO RIGHT. IT IS MENTAL DISORDER,NOT CURABLE BUT CAN BE PARTIALLY/FULLY CONTROLLED IN SOME CASES . BUT SOME SUJEST CARSTRATIONS PHYSICAL OR CHEMICAL DOES NOT WORK,IT IS A "MENTAL DISORDER/IMBALANCE. VICTIMS PRE-PUBESENT, YOUTH,VULNERABLE,AND NON HUMAN VICTIMS. IF ONE IS NOT A PAEDOPHILE AND COMMITS CRIMINAL SEXUAL ABUSE ON A CHILD THEIR CRIME IS WORSE? THEY ARE MONSTERS WITH NO MENTAL HEALTH EXCUSE,FOR THEIR VILE CRIME? SO WHY THE DEBATE AS TO WETHER A MALE/FEMALE WORKER MAY NOT BE A PAEDOPHILE WHEN IT IS WORSE IF THEY ARE NOT. In many ways, this is true.
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Post by rational on May 2, 2014 12:39:48 GMT -5
THEY GET FOUND OUT. THEN TACTICS CHANGE. MORE CAUTIOUS AND CUNNING. PUT ON A NEW FACE. HOW LONG WOULD THEIR FIRST DECEPTIVE LIFE GONE ON UNTIL FOUND OUT. MOCK REMORSE,CAUSE FOUND OUT. CRIMINAL CHILD MOLESTING,CALL IT ANYTHING YOU LIKE WHY DO YOU WASTE TIME DISCECTING A WORD OR TWO WHEN YOU DO NOTHING TO STOP ANOTHER VICTIM OF A WORKER TAKING THEIR LIFE OR PLACED IN A PSYCHIATRIC CARE SITUATION,OR FOREVER FEEL VIOLATED,GUILTY AND UNCLEAN. PLENTY TO DATE,SO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. The way to stop people from molesting children is to report them to the authorities. If the child is a minor it is the responsibility of the parents to make the report. In many places it is the legal responsibility of anyone who suspects or knows of child abuse to report it. It is the ethical responsibility of anyone who knows or suspects child abuse to report it. As far as the feelings of victims, there is little that can be done for them outside of professional treatment. The long term solution is to prevent future abuse. You seem invested in this process. Do you know or suspect any cases of child abuse?
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Post by rational on May 2, 2014 13:04:04 GMT -5
to rational,Why are trying to divert people away from the severity of the brutal crime of molesting lovely little children. I am not. I am trying to prevent people from accusing people of things for which they are not guilty. Calling someone a pedophile if that is not something that they are guilty of is wrong and may actually be a detriment to a case if it were to come to trial. Although not of major concern in the US in the UK, Australia, and other jurisdictions criminal trials have discharged because of prejudicial publicity.Do you know either of these to be true as fact or is it a suspicion? What happened when you reported it to the authorities? This works with roses but not with criminal accusations.Perhaps you can explain how trying to correct the allegations being made is the same as trying to defend criminal actions or protect anyone/anything?
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Post by dmmichgood on May 2, 2014 13:37:29 GMT -5
Sorry to hear about Magpie's vision.
My concern was to help make the post readable, otherwise one doesn't get their message out even after all the hard work that they do.
People just tend to skip something that is difficult to read.
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Post by rational on May 2, 2014 17:35:32 GMT -5
Rather than come across as a person standing in Speaker's Corner screaming out a message that many will ignore, the following might be tried: Here's how you can zoom in and out of individual websites. Keyboard shortcut: To zoom in, increasing the size, press and hold Ctrl while pressing +. To zoom out, decreasing the size, press and hold Ctrl while pressing -. To reset size back to normal, press and hold Ctrl while pressing 0. Add zoom controls to your toolbar: Right-click on an empty section of the Tab Strip, select Customize... and the Customize Toolbar window will open. In the Customize Toolbar window, click and drag the "Zoom Controls" toolbar item to the desired place on one of your toolbars. Click Done to save the changes to your toolbars. You can now use the + icon on the customized toolbar to zoom in, and the - icon on the customized toolbar to zoom out. Zoom Control - Win Tip: To set the default zoom level for all websites, try the NoSquint add-on. How to only change the size of the textInstead of changing the size of everything, you can just change the size of the text. Press the Alt key to temporarily bring up the traditional Firefox menus. On the menu at the top, click View, then go to Zoom. Select Zoom Text Only. This makes the controls only change the size of text; not images. These work for Firefox. I haven't tested them in IE. Remember that MS has yet to correct the security problem with IE 6-11.
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Post by magpie on May 2, 2014 18:24:50 GMT -5
RATIONAL,AS A VICTIM DECADES AGO BY TWO WORKERS,ONE DECEASED THE OTHER PREACHED ON NOW RETIRED.AND THESE TWO PLUS MONTY KNIGHT WERE THE REASON IAN PARKER SUICIDED. DO YOU KNOW WHICH COUNTRY MONTY WAS SENT TOO,STILL PREACHING.AS WITH CHRIS CHANDLER SENT OFF FOR A STINT OVERSEAS. IT CAUGHT UP.I HAVE A PERSONAL INTEREST EVEN IF IT ONLY SAVES ONE CHILD FROM GOING THROUGH WHAT I SUFFERED.REMEMBER SISTER WORKERS ARE AMONGST OUR BATTLE TO ENLIGHTEN THE FOLLOWERS VICTIMS ARE FAR MORE IMPORTANT TO NURTURE AND SUPPORT THAN A SICK MIND OF A CHILD ABUSER,REGARDLESS TO WHAT YOU CALL IT?
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Post by rational on May 2, 2014 19:09:07 GMT -5
RATIONAL,AS A VICTIM DECADES AGO BY TWO WORKERS,ONE DECEASED THE OTHER PREACHED ON NOW RETIRED.AND THESE TWO PLUS MONTY KNIGHT WERE THE REASON IAN PARKER SUICIDED. I do not know any of the people involved. I assume that Ian Parker communicated with you, verbally or in writing, the reason for his suicide. Generally speaking this is not the sort of events that drive someone to suicide. Is there a possibility that there could have been another reason?No, I don't know where he went but it does emphasize the reason why it is important that abuse be reported to the authorities. If you know that Monty Knight has abused children in the past why has this been reported? That would be the best way to stop the criminal behavior. It sounds like you have the information and the means to be sure no more children are harmed.Not sure what you mean by this last statement. Do you have a plan in mind to make sure no additional children are harmed?
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Post by dmmichgood on May 2, 2014 20:52:59 GMT -5
Rather than come across as a person standing in Speaker's Corner screaming out a message that many will ignore, the following might be tried: Here's how you can zoom in and out of individual websites. Keyboard shortcut: To zoom in, increasing the size, press and hold Ctrl while pressing +. To zoom out, decreasing the size, press and hold Ctrl while pressing -. To reset size back to normal, press and hold Ctrl while pressing 0. Add zoom controls to your toolbar: Right-click on an empty section of the Tab Strip, select Customize... and the Customize Toolbar window will open. In the Customize Toolbar window, click and drag the "Zoom Controls" toolbar item to the desired place on one of your toolbars. Click Done to save the changes to your toolbars. You can now use the + icon on the customized toolbar to zoom in, and the - icon on the customized toolbar to zoom out. Zoom Control - Win Tip: To set the default zoom level for all websites, try the NoSquint add-on. How to only change the size of the textInstead of changing the size of everything, you can just change the size of the text. Press the Alt key to temporarily bring up the traditional Firefox menus. On the menu at the top, click View, then go to Zoom. Select Zoom Text Only. This makes the controls only change the size of text; not images. These work for Firefox. I haven't tested them in IE. Remember that MS has yet to correct the security problem with IE 6-11. Thanks, rational. I never knew that. I tried it and it works!
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Post by Roselyn T on May 2, 2014 22:55:15 GMT -5
RATIONAL,AS A VICTIM DECADES AGO BY TWO WORKERS,ONE DECEASED THE OTHER PREACHED ON NOW RETIRED.AND THESE TWO PLUS MONTY KNIGHT WERE THE REASON IAN PARKER SUICIDED. I do not know any of the people involved. I assume that Ian Parker communicated with you, verbally or in writing, the reason for his suicide. Generally speaking this is not the sort of events that drive someone to suicide. Is there a possibility that there could have been another reason?No, I don't know where he went but it does emphasize the reason why it is important that abuse be reported to the authorities. If you know that Monty Knight has abused children in the past why has this been reported? That would be the best way to stop the criminal behavior. It sounds like you have the information and the means to be sure no more children are harmed.Not sure what you mean by this last statement. Do you have a plan in mind to make sure no additional children are harmed? B. Rational are you in Australia ?
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Post by magpie on May 3, 2014 7:51:20 GMT -5
RATIONAL, ARE NEW ON THE BLOCK? TESTAMONIES BY WOMEN EXIST RE- CSA BY SISTER WORHERS,AND LESBIAN ACTS AND APPROACHES,HAVE YOU NOT SEEN THEM? NOW GO TO "WORKER,FRIEND AND EX BOARD" , LOOK UP POST,""JACK TRIGG_PIONEER WORKER IN CEYLON& NOTORIOUS CSA PERPETRATOR.""AND THE LETTER FOLLOWING ENTERED BY PELAGIOUS ON 22nd OF FEB -- 2014. READ CAROL'S LETTER. TWO OF THOSE MEN WERE THOSE THAT PERPETRATED,MOLESTED AND ,RAPED ACTUALLY,ME. LATER IN LIFE I WISHED I HAD KNOWN THAT IT WAS A CRIME,BUT IF I HAD REPORTED IT I WOULD AS MANY OTHERS WITHIN THE SECT,CALLED,A TROUBLE MAKER,AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM. DEAR JUNIOR MEMBER, THOSE LETTERS RE-SISTER WORKERS WERE CIRCULATING AROUND A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO,HORRIFIC. SOMEONE MAY KINDLY GUIDE YOU TO THEM.
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Post by rational on May 3, 2014 10:08:47 GMT -5
I do not know any of the people involved. I assume that Ian Parker communicated with you, verbally or in writing, the reason for his suicide. Generally speaking this is not the sort of events that drive someone to suicide. Is there a possibility that there could have been another reason?No, I don't know where he went but it does emphasize the reason why it is important that abuse be reported to the authorities. If you know that Monty Knight has abused children in the past why has this been reported? That would be the best way to stop the criminal behavior. It sounds like you have the information and the means to be sure no more children are harmed.Not sure what you mean by this last statement. Do you have a plan in mind to make sure no additional children are harmed? B. Rational are you in Australia ? No, I am not. But I am aware that the courts are guided by nullum tempus occurrit regi which enables the state to bring criminal action against individuals for such crimes any time they like. This was the 'B.' part of the question. Did I miss the 'A.' part?
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Post by rational on May 3, 2014 10:39:51 GMT -5
RATIONAL, ARE NEW ON THE BLOCK? Not really.Whether I have seen them or not is not the question. I am not questioning that criminal acts were committed. I am questioning your plan for preventing this from happening again. I have read the reports. There is no doubt that some workers committed criminal acts. There is no doubt that other workers were guilty of covering up the crimes and moving the criminals. That is certainly where much of the blame lays. But there is another side of this as well. Quoting from one poster: Local parents protected their kids from him BUT 2x2 parents including mine allowed us out of sight,and he could not help himself to take advantage of that situation.This is also where the blame lays. Placing the welfare of the workers above the welfare of their children.From this sentence it appears that you knew it was a crime but did not report it because of the consequences that you feared would result. This is understandable and is one of the hardest issues for the state when they are trying to bring criminal charges. People on all sides of the situation need to understand the consequences of their inactivity/complicity and adopt a different modus operandiCirculating letters and getting the state to initiate criminal proceedings are two very different things. Given that most of the operators in the events you have been writing about are deceased, or on their way to being deceased, what do you see as a good plan for you to follow to prevent this sort of behavior while moving forward? You never responded to my question regarding Ian Parker and the reason he took his own life. Is there an answer?
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Post by jscc1 on May 4, 2014 18:16:04 GMT -5
STOP NOW,go to your WEB and read,"Reuel Leach letter".or, "open letter to people in the 2x2 way by reul leach"..It appears that many of you have the attitude if you had co-workers destoying our young and acting out wrong sexual preferences you would turn a blind eye,do nothing or also weaken the reality,to protect your sect? Read Reuels first portion of letter,the theological content is way beyond a 2x2s ability to grasp.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2014 18:38:15 GMT -5
i just read his letter and i found it to be good on somethings and totally off on others...
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Post by rational on May 4, 2014 19:50:21 GMT -5
STOP NOW,go to your WEB and read,"Reuel Leach letter".or, "open letter to people in the 2x2 way by reul leach"..It appears that many of you have the attitude if you had co-workers destoying our young and acting out wrong sexual preferences you would turn a blind eye,do nothing or also weaken the reality,to protect your sect? And now that people have read it, what is your call to action? Is the story true or false? If you are certain it is true and have data to back it up, what action have you, personally, taken? How can people here help you in whatever action you have taken?Do you really think it is a good ides to denigrate the people from whom you are seeking help/empathy?
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Post by magpie on May 4, 2014 20:15:30 GMT -5
BACK TO DEAR OLD FATHER BOB. "SOME TELL US THAT FOLLOWING JESUS IS AS EASY AS INVITING HIM INTO OUR HEARTS; BUT WHEN WE DO THAT,JESUS ALWAYS ASKS "MAY I BRING MY FRIENDS".AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THEM,WE SEE THEM THEY ARE NOT THE KIND OF COMPANY WE LIKE TO KEEP. THE FRIENDS OF JESUS ARE THE OUTCASTS,MARGINALIZED,THE POOR,THE HOMELESS,ABUSED,THE REJECTED-THE LEPERS OF LIFE- WE HESITATE AND ASK,"JESUS MUST WE REALLY HAVE THEM TOO?" JESUS REPLIES, "LOVE THEM LOVE ME TOO". (PETER STORY). THE OBEDIENCE OF FATHER BOB,TO HIS DISCIPLESHIP CALLING. P.S, LOOK UP ON YOUR WEB,"DISCIPLESHIP QUOTES". THEY WERNT USED MUCH AT CONVENTIONS?
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Post by magpie on May 4, 2014 20:32:57 GMT -5
DEAR RATIONAL, ARE YOU AS DIFFICULT IN REAL LIVING,HAVE YOU EVER AGREED WITH ANYBODY? OR DO YOU ALWAYS DOUBT THE WORDS OF EVERYONE,BUT YOURSELF? LOVE TO DEBATE YOU ON BIBLICAL POINTS OVER A MEAL,ESPECIALLY WHY CAN 2x2S CLAIM TO BE TRUELY SCRIPTURAL IN THEIR ONLY WAY DOCTORINE. SAD TO FIND YOUR POSTS STYLE IN THE "WEBSTERS" UNDER THE WORD "DOUBT". CHEER UP LISTENING REAPS ENORMOUS BENEFITS TO BOTH PARTIES,SOMETIMES WE EVEN HEAR ANSWERS..
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Post by tom on May 4, 2014 21:27:39 GMT -5
Ok Bert I am going to break this post down so we can look at each point : c Which is what Bert ? Did Jesus say what clothes women have to wear? Did Jesus say we have to wear our hair in a bun? ( don't know how its a covering when its up in a bun! ) You can infer a lot from that Jesus said or how He lived. By Peter and Paul mentioned clothing and hair. And IMO they did so because there were people who didn't get it. d. In your opinion exactly what was it people didn't get ? And where did Peter or Paul say a women must wear her hair in a bun? And who is telling those in the truth today that they must wear their hair in a bun??? I havent heard this kind of thing spoken on for 40 years.
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Post by magpie on May 4, 2014 21:48:27 GMT -5
RE- HAIR, TWO CULTURAL REASONS PROSTITUTES SHORN/SHAVEN, LIKE A UNIFORM. THE OTHER MARRIED WOMEN,TO MAKE THEMSELVES UNATTRACTIVE TO MEN. STILL A FEW EXTREME ORTHODOX JEWISH STILL SHEAR/SHAVE. THE TEACHING WAS THAT THEY ARE NOW RELEASED FROM THAT BONDAGE GOD NOW PROTECTION IS YOUR SAFEGUARD. WITNESS OF TWO. MIDDLE EAST LAW AND TRADITION,IN COURT ONE WITNESS DID NOT CONVICT,TWO WOULD CONFIRM THE STORY. SO A LONE DISCIPLE IN MANY CASES MAY NOT BE TAKEN AS GOSPEL WHAT HE TAUGHT. 1 CORINTHIANS,CH 9,V 5 COVERS THE DEMAND FOR CELIBACY AS A FALSE DEMAND. EPHESIANS 4,V 11/12,COVERS THE UNBIBLICALNESS OF A PREACHER ONLY MINISTRY,NO WONDER THERE IS NO ETERNAL HELP FOR VICTIMS OF PREACHER SEXUAL INDICRETIONS ESPECIALLY THOSE OF CRIMINAL CSAs.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2014 22:27:55 GMT -5
Tom is it? Are you already on this board under another alias? Could you please break down the questions so that I can read them easier? I found one of my texts quoted, and only later realised there was this single letter inserted with your own text.
What some people "don't get" was that if you live for Christ then you should BE LIKE CHRIST. Not given to riot, anger, immodesty, hate etc.. People dress to express - and if you express any of these negative things in your dress then it suggests you alienated from Christ.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 4, 2014 22:45:00 GMT -5
DEAR RATIONAL, ARE YOU AS DIFFICULT IN REAL LIVING,HAVE YOU EVER AGREED WITH ANYBODY? OR DO YOU ALWAYS DOUBT THE WORDS OF EVERYONE,BUT YOURSELF? LOVE TO DEBATE YOU ON BIBLICAL POINTS OVER A MEAL,ESPECIALLY WHY CAN 2x2S CLAIM TO BE TRUELY SCRIPTURAL IN THEIR ONLY WAY DOCTORINE. SAD TO FIND YOUR POSTS STYLE IN THE "WEBSTERS" UNDER THE WORD "DOUBT". CHEER UP LISTENING REAPS ENORMOUS BENEFITS TO BOTH PARTIES,SOMETIMES WE EVEN HEAR ANSWERS.. Magpie, I am having trouble understanding exactly what it is that you are trying too convey with your posts.
I also don't understand your put-downs against people.
(I'm making my post larger to assist your vision)
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Post by rational on May 5, 2014 0:07:13 GMT -5
DEAR RATIONAL, ARE YOU AS DIFFICULT IN REAL LIVING,HAVE YOU EVER AGREED WITH ANYBODY? OR DO YOU ALWAYS DOUBT THE WORDS OF EVERYONE,BUT YOURSELF? I do not doubt everyone but when I read posts that are wrapped up in emotion I do question the objectivity of the poster.I am not sure what the discussion would be but I would need to have some advance warning if you are expecting me to argue the side of the workers.I wonder what stance you expected from an atheist when discussing the bible. I haven't seen evidence of this. I mentioned the downside of posting in all uppercase letters and posted several ways to enlarge the text yet I am responding to a post written all in upper case. Sometimes anger and rage clouds peoples vision.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 5, 2014 4:11:54 GMT -5
Ok Bert I am going to break this post down so we can look at each point : c Which is what Bert ? Did Jesus say what clothes women have to wear? Did Jesus say we have to wear our hair in a bun? ( don't know how its a covering when its up in a bun! ) You can infer a lot from that Jesus said or how He lived. By Peter and Paul mentioned clothing and hair. And IMO they did so because there were people who didn't get it. d. In your opinion exactly what was it people didn't get ? And where did Peter or Paul say a women must wear her hair in a bun? And who is telling those in the truth today that they must wear their hair in a bun??? I havent heard this kind of thing spoken on for 40 years. E. Well to start with Tom, if you are a male how would you know !!! And secondly if a lady was to go to a Sunday morning meeting with her hair down do you really think nothing would be said !!!
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Post by Roselyn T on May 5, 2014 4:28:32 GMT -5
Maybe you were not listening when it was said Tom !!! After all as a male it doesn't effect you !
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Post by rational on May 5, 2014 8:24:10 GMT -5
Maybe you were not listening when it was said Tom !!! After all as a male it doesn't effect you ! I am male and it would have an effect on me so I would listen carefully and support the idea. Perhaps males do not respond negatively to the idea of hair put up because they like that look! Grigory Gluckmann did.
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Post by tom on May 5, 2014 9:03:22 GMT -5
Tom is it? Are you already on this board under another alias? Could you please break down the questions so that I can read them easier? I found one of my texts quoted, and only later realised there was this single letter inserted with your own text. What some people "don't get" was that if you live for Christ then you should BE LIKE CHRIST. Not given to riot, anger, immodesty, hate etc.. People dress to express - and if you express any of these negative things in your dress then it suggests you alienated from Sorry Bert but I only posted the last 2 sentence -it just didnt show up quite right and no I have not previously commented on one of your posts!.
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