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Post by slowtosee on Apr 21, 2014 13:25:27 GMT -5
The SIN of Sodom was that they did NOT "strengthen the hand of the poor and needy". Using scripture to justify not helping poor and needy is completely opposite of Jesus teachings, but of course we can justify ANYTHING with the right combination of verses that are in the Bible. I think it says a few times "there is no God". Alvin
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. Ezeliel 16 :49
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Apr 21, 2014 14:50:19 GMT -5
But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste? For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me. For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always. For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial.
The funny thing about Bert's quoting "you will always have the poor" is that the REASON there was confusion in the first place...the REASON this odd, out-of-the-ordinary statement by Jesus was remembered later by three gospel writers...is because it differed from what Jesus had been teaching them. They apparently weren't accustomed to seeing Jesus accept extravagance. Indignant, they were saying "Wow, we could help a lot of people with this much money."
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Post by faune on Apr 21, 2014 15:21:18 GMT -5
...That has to be ONLY time I recall He fed people ... The miraculous feeding of the 5,000 prefigures the Eucharist. He is the living bread that came down from heaven. He feeds us still. StAnne ~ The history behind the Eucharist is a fascinating topic, which I just started to explore.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Eucharist
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2014 15:22:54 GMT -5
I think you missed the point of what I wrote. What I meant was that, for me, it doesn't matter what Jesus said about anything. A decent human being will do what he can for the poor simply because it is the decent human thing to do. Giving to the poor as a means of getting into heaven doesn't impress me at all. Any rich buzzard will pay what it takes to get what he wants, whether he likes it or not, and if he thinks it will work. In other words, what does "helping the poor because you're a Christian" add to simply just "helping the poor"? In the Bible the ones who helped the least for no other reason than to help them turned out to have done it for the Lord. Maybe you have to believe in the Lord along with helping without knowing it was for the Lord -- in order for it to count as doing it for the Lord. In anyone except God's eyes, no one would know the difference. God would know that we are helping them as a result of "love for our neighbor". Having the ability to just walk by them with absolutely no compassion, and many time disdain WOULD indicate to everyone much though. A lack of love, compassion, and maybe even pride. We think we are better than them because we have, and they don't. I guess my real point was -- Does anyone but god need to know? But even if god isn't noticing, the person we help will know, and maybe he/she's the one we should be thinking about impressing.
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Post by sacerdotal on Apr 21, 2014 15:30:39 GMT -5
Quote - " In the Kingdom of God Jesus envisioned, the poor are a primary focus." One wonders therefor why Jesus didn't come to this Earth to set up food stamps, social welfare programs, a green revolution, GM agriculture, DDT and such, tractors, better tillage ideas and the like. Instead we get this fatalistic, "you will always have the poor." nb Isn't the "primary focus" of Jesus was salvation? Bert, what is the first commandment? Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind? What is the second one? Love thy neighbor? If you see your neighbor hungry, do you laugh at him for his misfortune and poor planning or whatever? One of the biggest issues that I have with the 2x2 fellowship and SOME of the workers and friends, such as yourself, based on what you proclaim in your posts about the poor, is the holier than thou attitude which is a by product of human nature mixing with religion to form a new bastard of a monster known as a Pharisee and the self-righteous. Who was the neighbor to the man that had been beaten, robbed (therefore poor), naked, and barely alive? The man that helped him. It isn't complicated, Bert. Perhaps this verse from John will cause you some pause: I John 3:17 KJV But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?/b]
By the way, I think Jesus said that we would always have the poor with us, because we will continue to have more selfish and greedy people in the world than the world will have Christians.
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Post by xna on Apr 21, 2014 15:33:28 GMT -5
I guess my real point was -- Does anyone but god need to know? But even if god isn't noticing, the person we help will know, and maybe he/she's the one we should be thinking about impressing.[/quote] ----------- I like Kurt's approach.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2014 15:44:40 GMT -5
I guess my real point was -- Does anyone but god need to know? But even if god isn't noticing, the person we help will know, and maybe he/she's the one we should be thinking about impressing. ----------- I like Kurt's approach. [/quote] Me too. Well, I tried, didn't I?
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2014 15:47:23 GMT -5
Quote - " In the Kingdom of God Jesus envisioned, the poor are a primary focus." One wonders therefor why Jesus didn't come to this Earth to set up food stamps, social welfare programs, a green revolution, GM agriculture, DDT and such, tractors, better tillage ideas and the like. Instead we get this fatalistic, "you will always have the poor." nb Isn't the "primary focus" of Jesus was salvation? Bert, what is the first commandment? Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind? What is the second one? Love thy neighbor? If you see your neighbor hungry, do you laugh at him for his misfortune and poor planning or whatever? One of the biggest issues that I have with the 2x2 fellowship and SOME of the workers and friends, such as yourself, based on what you proclaim in your posts about the poor, is the holier than thou attitude which is a by product of human nature mixing with religion to form a new bastard of a monster known as a Pharisee and the self-righteous. Who was the neighbor to the man that had been beaten, robbed (therefore poor), naked, and barely alive? The man that helped him. It isn't complicated, Bert. Perhaps this verse from John will cause you some pause: I John 3:17 KJV But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?/b]
By the way, I think Jesus said that we would always have the poor with us, because we will continue to have more selfish and greedy people in the world than the world will have Christians.I was told one time that in the Bible the word "neighbor" referred to the professing people in your neighborhood. I was 14, and I thought: "Hogwash".
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Post by StAnne on Apr 21, 2014 15:47:43 GMT -5
The miraculous feeding of the 5,000 prefigures the Eucharist. He is the living bread that came down from heaven. He feeds us still. StAnne ~ The history behind the Eucharist is a fascinating topic, which I just started to explore.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Eucharist
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Post by sacerdotal on Apr 21, 2014 15:56:51 GMT -5
I was told one time that in the Bible the word "neighbor" referred to the professing people in your neighborhood. I was 14, and I thought: "Hogwash". Doctrine being equal to hogwash? Inconceivable. :)
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2014 16:09:29 GMT -5
I was told one time that in the Bible the word "neighbor" referred to the professing people in your neighborhood. I was 14, and I thought: "Hogwash". Doctrine being equal to hogwash? Inconceivable. Hogwash doctrine is so intriguing, isn't it? And so creative.
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Apr 21, 2014 16:22:35 GMT -5
I'm told the only hogwash in the Bible is the day a buncha demons got a good baptism.
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Post by jondough on Apr 21, 2014 18:46:16 GMT -5
In anyone except God's eyes, no one would know the difference. God would know that we are helping them as a result of "love for our neighbor". Having the ability to just walk by them with absolutely no compassion, and many time disdain WOULD indicate to everyone much though. A lack of love, compassion, and maybe even pride. We think we are better than them because we have, and they don't. I guess my real point was -- Does anyone but god need to know? But even if god isn't noticing, the person we help will know, and maybe he/she's the one we should be thinking about impressing. I 100 percent agree with you. Its like helping our own children. No one needs to know. We could care less if they even know. We would do it anyway. Why? Because we love them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 18:55:16 GMT -5
Please don't confuse GIVING with WORSHIPING.
Giving is an integral part of your private life. When you bring it into worship, it can, like many good things, be subsumed into worship - and you can end up worshiping the poor instead.
As Father Bob shows, the worship itself is in the road of a "more worthy" goal.
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Post by StAnne on Apr 21, 2014 19:12:04 GMT -5
Please don't confuse GIVING with WORSHIPING. Giving is an integral part of your private life. When you bring it into worship, it can, like many good things, be subsumed into worship - and you can end up worshiping the poor instead. As Father Bob shows, the worship itself is in the road of a "more worthy" goal. Where in this thread is confusion of giving with worshipping? (BTW, I agree that charitable giving and doing should not be a substitute for, nor confused with, true worship.) The alms that we are to give are charity; and are not the giving we are called to do for the support of our pastors and church.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 0:49:50 GMT -5
With Father Bob, its as much about his delivery, his unorthodox irreverence that promotes the impression he is on some radical pathway. He has an appeal, don't know whether that makes his direction the direction of the church.
As far as what he promotes, well compassion as a focus rather than greed seems pretty christian like. I would have thought showing compassion was a form of worship. What sort of worship is important?, surely not the swinging burning thingys and standing in silence sort of thing.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 22, 2014 1:25:32 GMT -5
Doctrine being equal to hogwash? Inconceivable. Hogwash doctrine is so intriguing, isn't it? And so creative. Yep!
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 22, 2014 1:44:27 GMT -5
With Father Bob, its as much about his delivery, his unorthodox irreverence that promotes the impression he is on some radical pathway. He has an appeal, don't know whether that makes his direction the direction of the church. As far as what he promotes, well compassion as a focus rather than greed seems pretty christian like. I would have thought showing compassion was a form of worship. What sort of worship is important?, surely not the swinging burning thingys and standing in silence sort of thing. I have always thought that most people were more interested in hearing than listening. If it sounded good, why wear yourself out listening.
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Post by ellie on Apr 22, 2014 5:55:08 GMT -5
Quote - " In the Kingdom of God Jesus envisioned, the poor are a primary focus." One wonders therefor why Jesus didn't come to this Earth to set up food stamps, social welfare programs, a green revolution, GM agriculture, DDT and such, tractors, better tillage ideas and the like. Instead we get this fatalistic, "you will always have the poor." nb Isn't the "primary focus" of Jesus was salvation? Bert, what is the first commandment? Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind? What is the second one? Love thy neighbor? If you see your neighbor hungry, do you laugh at him for his misfortune and poor planning or whatever? One of the biggest issues that I have with the 2x2 fellowship and SOME of the workers and friends, such as yourself, based on what you proclaim in your posts about the poor, is the holier than thou attitude which is a by product of human nature mixing with religion to form a new bastard of a monster known as a Pharisee and the self-righteous. Who was the neighbor to the man that had been beaten, robbed (therefore poor), naked, and barely alive? The man that helped him. It isn't complicated, Bert. Perhaps this verse from John will cause you some pause: I John 3:17 KJV But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?/b]
By the way, I think Jesus said that we would always have the poor with us, because we will continue to have more selfish and greedy people in the world than the world will have Christians.When trying to defend a lack of charity. I heard one comment from the friends that really made me sad. The comment made was that apparently the taxes we pay today take the place of any alms giving.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 6:58:38 GMT -5
Bert, what is the first commandment? Love God with all your heart, soul, and mind? What is the second one? Love thy neighbor? If you see your neighbor hungry, do you laugh at him for his misfortune and poor planning or whatever? One of the biggest issues that I have with the 2x2 fellowship and SOME of the workers and friends, such as yourself, based on what you proclaim in your posts about the poor, is the holier than thou attitude which is a by product of human nature mixing with religion to form a new bastard of a monster known as a Pharisee and the self-righteous. Who was the neighbor to the man that had been beaten, robbed (therefore poor), naked, and barely alive? The man that helped him. It isn't complicated, Bert. Perhaps this verse from John will cause you some pause: I John 3:17 KJV But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?/b]
By the way, I think Jesus said that we would always have the poor with us, because we will continue to have more selfish and greedy people in the world than the world will have Christians.When trying to defend a lack of charity. I heard one comment from the friends that really made me sad. The comment made was that apparently the taxes we pay today take the place of any alms giving. I've heard that from friends too and it's unfortunate. It is certainly true that a great deal of tax revenues are redistributed to the poor and lower income segment of society. However, we live in such rich societies though that even after working and taxes, no one should be impoverished of either time nor money, so there is a lot of capacity left to do good things and make this a better world, including simply doing good parenting. The government is good at botching the charity work so the most effective forms of charity continue to come from one individual to another, or one small group to another.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 7:04:10 GMT -5
I don't accept that your "neighbor" is the nearest member of your own church. That's not what Jesus said. The issue here is "Father Bob's" behavior - some see it as extreme, but some like me, fear it's the future of the church.
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Post by magpie on Apr 22, 2014 23:30:53 GMT -5
"BERT" . FATHER BOB? WHAT A GREAT CITY SOUTH MELBOURNE BE,WITH MORE FATHER BOB's.HE MAY BE A BIT ROUGH ABOUT THE EDGES,BUT AS WITH SOME 2x2 HE HAS ALSO SUFFERED AND OSTRACISED BY GOING OUTSIDE THE RESTRICTIVE BOX. THAT IS RIGHT? SEE THE DRUNKS,HOMELESS,ABUSED ADULTS AND KIDS,PROSTITUTES (MALE/FEMALE/TRANS)AROUND YOUR TOWN? AND YOU ASK "WHY"( DOM HELDA CAMIRA SAID" IF YOU FEED THEM YOU ARE A SAINT,,BUT,,IF YOU ASK WHY ARE THEY HUNGRY AND POOR YOU ARE A COMMUNIST....") "WHY", AND AS BOB DOES,"WHY" AND DOES SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SUICIDES HE HAS STOPPED (NUMBER THOSE),CSA,ABUSE,HOMELESSNESS.. AND STOP NOW? HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE HOPE AND PURPOSE AND DIGNITY AND GRACE GIFTED AND SALVATION OFFERED, FROM THE MOUTHES OF HIS (BOBs) PUPILS OF GRACE. LIKE OTHER STREET MISSIONARIES HE WONT SCARE THEM BY WEARING A SUIT AND TIE,NO,YOU MUST BE AMONGST THEM. IT WORKS. ONE OF THE CHRISTIAN OUTREACH BIKE GROUPS SAT IN THE DRAIN EDGE WITH A YOUNG GUY,HE HANDED JOHN A DRINK OUT OF A CAN,NOT A "NO" ,ACCEPTED, AND HANDED IT BACK. THIS THIS YOUNG BLOKE HAD BEEN WATCHED FOR A WHILE. "NOW".WAS THE TIME HE ASKED JOHN WHAT WAS GOD LIKE? LIKE A LOVING FATHER SAID JOHN. FATHER???@#$%^&*()@!#$%^&*(), NO GOOD TO ME THEN,MINE COMES HOME BELTS MUM,RAPES MY SISTER AND IF I SAY ANYTHING BELTS ME UP,SO!@#$%^&*()YOUR GOD. HOW WOULD A 2x2 HANDLE THAT? "THAT YOUNG MAN CELIBRATES HIS SALVATION NOW" ..WELL NOW FATHER BOB AND JOHN THAT IS THEIR "GOD" GIVEN MISSIONS,UNLESS YOU CAN HANDLE SITUATIONS IN GODs NAME BETTER THAN THAT..IF NOT "SHUT UP,LISTEN TO THE HOLY SPIRITS CALL TO YOU,AND EITHER YOU, OR ASSIST AND SUPPORT,(WITH PRAYER AND MEANS) SOMEONE ELSE TO GO TO THE COAL FACE AND REACH OUT TO THE CRYING SOULS FOR AND IN JESUS NAME.RADICAL?JESUS WAS ONE OF THE GREAT RADICALS?
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Post by Gene on Apr 23, 2014 19:04:02 GMT -5
"BERT" . FATHER BOB? WHAT A GREAT CITY SOUTH MELBOURNE BE,WITH MORE FATHER BOB's.HE MAY BE A BIT ROUGH ABOUT THE EDGES,BUT AS WITH SOME 2x2 HE HAS ALSO SUFFERED AND OSTRACISED BY GOING OUTSIDE THE RESTRICTIVE BOX. THAT IS RIGHT? SEE THE DRUNKS,HOMELESS,ABUSED ADULTS AND KIDS,PROSTITUTES (MALE/FEMALE/TRANS)AROUND YOUR TOWN? AND YOU ASK "WHY"( DOM HELDA CAMIRA SAID" IF YOU FEED THEM YOU ARE A SAINT,,BUT,,IF YOU ASK WHY ARE THEY HUNGRY AND POOR YOU ARE A COMMUNIST....") "WHY", AND AS BOB DOES,"WHY" AND DOES SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SUICIDES HE HAS STOPPED (NUMBER THOSE),CSA,ABUSE,HOMELESSNESS.. AND STOP NOW? HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE HOPE AND PURPOSE AND DIGNITY AND GRACE GIFTED AND SALVATION OFFERED, FROM THE MOUTHES OF HIS (BOBs) PUPILS OF GRACE. LIKE OTHER STREET MISSIONARIES HE WONT SCARE THEM BY WEARING A SUIT AND TIE,NO,YOU MUST BE AMONGST THEM. IT WORKS. ONE OF THE CHRISTIAN OUTREACH BIKE GROUPS SAT IN THE DRAIN EDGE WITH A YOUNG GUY,HE HANDED JOHN A DRINK OUT OF A CAN,NOT A "NO" ,ACCEPTED, AND HANDED IT BACK. THIS THIS YOUNG BLOKE HAD BEEN WATCHED FOR A WHILE. "NOW".WAS THE TIME HE ASKED JOHN WHAT WAS GOD LIKE? LIKE A LOVING FATHER SAID JOHN. FATHER???@#$%^&*()@!#$%^&*(), NO GOOD TO ME THEN,MINE COMES HOME BELTS MUM,RAPES MY SISTER AND IF I SAY ANYTHING BELTS ME UP,SO!@#$%^&*()YOUR GOD. HOW WOULD A 2x2 HANDLE THAT? "THAT YOUNG MAN CELIBRATES HIS SALVATION NOW" ..WELL NOW FATHER BOB AND JOHN THAT IS THEIR "GOD" GIVEN MISSIONS,UNLESS YOU CAN HANDLE SITUATIONS IN GODs NAME BETTER THAN THAT..IF NOT "SHUT UP,LISTEN TO THE HOLY SPIRITS CALL TO YOU,AND EITHER YOU, OR ASSIST AND SUPPORT,(WITH PRAYER AND MEANS) SOMEONE ELSE TO GO TO THE COAL FACE AND REACH OUT TO THE CRYING SOULS FOR AND IN JESUS NAME.RADICAL?JESUS WAS ONE OF THE GREAT RADICALS? Just a suggestion: If you want people to read your posts, do two things: 1. Break it up into paragraphs of 2 or 3 sentences, with white space between paragraphs, like this: 2. Don't use all caps. It's very difficult for most people to scan quickly. And if people cannot scan it quickly, they are likely to ignore it entirely. G
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 23, 2014 21:10:56 GMT -5
"BERT" . FATHER BOB? WHAT A GREAT CITY SOUTH MELBOURNE BE,WITH MORE FATHER BOB's.HE MAY BE A BIT ROUGH ABOUT THE EDGES,BUT AS WITH SOME 2x2 HE HAS ALSO SUFFERED AND OSTRACISED BY GOING OUTSIDE THE RESTRICTIVE BOX. THAT IS RIGHT? SEE THE DRUNKS,HOMELESS,ABUSED ADULTS AND KIDS,PROSTITUTES (MALE/FEMALE/TRANS)AROUND YOUR TOWN? AND YOU ASK "WHY"( DOM HELDA CAMIRA SAID" IF YOU FEED THEM YOU ARE A SAINT,,BUT,,IF YOU ASK WHY ARE THEY HUNGRY AND POOR YOU ARE A COMMUNIST....") "WHY", AND AS BOB DOES,"WHY" AND DOES SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SUICIDES HE HAS STOPPED (NUMBER THOSE),CSA,ABUSE,HOMELESSNESS.. AND STOP NOW? HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE HOPE AND PURPOSE AND DIGNITY AND GRACE GIFTED AND SALVATION OFFERED, FROM THE MOUTHES OF HIS (BOBs) PUPILS OF GRACE. LIKE OTHER STREET MISSIONARIES HE WONT SCARE THEM BY WEARING A SUIT AND TIE,NO,YOU MUST BE AMONGST THEM. IT WORKS. ONE OF THE CHRISTIAN OUTREACH BIKE GROUPS SAT IN THE DRAIN EDGE WITH A YOUNG GUY,HE HANDED JOHN A DRINK OUT OF A CAN,NOT A "NO" ,ACCEPTED, AND HANDED IT BACK. THIS THIS YOUNG BLOKE HAD BEEN WATCHED FOR A WHILE. "NOW".WAS THE TIME HE ASKED JOHN WHAT WAS GOD LIKE? LIKE A LOVING FATHER SAID JOHN. FATHER???@#$%^&*()@!#$%^&*(), NO GOOD TO ME THEN,MINE COMES HOME BELTS MUM,RAPES MY SISTER AND IF I SAY ANYTHING BELTS ME UP,SO!@#$%^&*()YOUR GOD. HOW WOULD A 2x2 HANDLE THAT? "THAT YOUNG MAN CELIBRATES HIS SALVATION NOW" ..WELL NOW FATHER BOB AND JOHN THAT IS THEIR "GOD" GIVEN MISSIONS,UNLESS YOU CAN HANDLE SITUATIONS IN GODs NAME BETTER THAN THAT..IF NOT "SHUT UP,LISTEN TO THE HOLY SPIRITS CALL TO YOU,AND EITHER YOU, OR ASSIST AND SUPPORT,(WITH PRAYER AND MEANS) SOMEONE ELSE TO GO TO THE COAL FACE AND REACH OUT TO THE CRYING SOULS FOR AND IN JESUS NAME.RADICAL?JESUS WAS ONE OF THE GREAT RADICALS? Just a suggestion: If you want people to read your posts, do two things: 1. Break it up into paragraphs of 2 or 3 sentences, with white space between paragraphs, like this: 2. Don't use all caps. It's very difficult for most people to scan quickly. And if people cannot scan it quickly, they are likely to ignore it entirely. G Very good advice, Gene.
I haven't been able to understand why people will continue to write in just one line long, long passages without any space between lines.
One of the first things you learn in writing is to leave at least one a half spaces between lines.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 23, 2014 21:25:25 GMT -5
[quote source="/post/585793/thread" timestamp="1398227453" author=" magpie" "BERT" . FATHER BOB?
WHAT A GREAT CITY SOUTH MELBOURNE BE,WITH MORE FATHER BOB's. HE MAY BE A BIT ROUGH ABOUT THE EDGES,BUT AS WITH SOME 2x2 HE HAS ALSO SUFFERED AND OSTRACISED BY GOING OUTSIDE THE RESTRICTIVE BOX.
THAT IS RIGHT? SEE THE DRUNKS,HOMELESS,ABUSED ADULTS AND KIDS,PROSTITUTES (MALE/FEMALE/TRANS)AROUND YOUR TOWN? AND YOU ASK "WHY"
( DOM HELDA CAMIRA SAID" IF YOU FEED THEM YOU ARE A SAINT,,BUT,,IF YOU ASK WHY ARE THEY HUNGRY AND POOR YOU ARE A COMMUNIST....")
"WHY", AND AS BOB DOES,"WHY" AND DOES SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
SUICIDES HE HAS STOPPED (NUMBER THOSE),CSA,ABUSE,HOMELESSNESS.. AND STOP NOW?
HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE HOPE AND PURPOSE AND DIGNITY AND GRACE GIFTED AND SALVATION OFFERED, FROM THE MOUTHES OF HIS (BOBs) PUPILS OF GRACE.
LIKE OTHER STREET MISSIONARIES HE WONT SCARE THEM BY WEARING A SUIT AND TIE,NO,YOU MUST BE AMONGST THEM.
IT WORKS. ONE OF THE CHRISTIAN OUTREACH BIKE GROUPS SAT IN THE DRAIN EDGE WITH A YOUNG GUY,HE HANDED JOHN A DRINK OUT OF A CAN,NOT A "NO" ,ACCEPTED, AND HANDED IT BACK.
THIS THIS YOUNG BLOKE HAD BEEN WATCHED FOR A WHILE.
"NOW".WAS THE TIME HE ASKED JOHN WHAT WAS GOD LIKE?
LIKE A LOVING FATHER SAID JOHN.
FATHER???@#$%^&*()@!#$%^&*(), NO GOOD TO ME THEN,MINE COMES HOME BELTS MUM,RAPES MY SISTER AND IF I SAY ANYTHING BELTS ME UP,SO!@#$%^&*()YOUR GOD.
HOW WOULD A 2x2 HANDLE THAT?
"THAT YOUNG MAN CELIBRATES HIS SALVATION NOW" ..
WELL NOW FATHER BOB AND JOHN THAT IS THEIR "GOD" GIVEN MISSIONS,UNLESS YOU CAN HANDLE SITUATIONS IN GODs NAME BETTER THAN THAT..IF NOT "SHUT UP,LISTEN TO THE HOLY SPIRITS CALL TO YOU,AND EITHER YOU, OR ASSIST AND SUPPORT,(WITH PRAYER AND MEANS) SOMEONE ELSE TO GO TO THE COAL FACE AND REACH OUT TO THE CRYING SOULS FOR AND IN JESUS NAME.
RADICAL? JESUS WAS ONE OF THE GREAT RADICALS? Let's try to separate the lines above.
Helped some, but since I am not quite sure the thoughts of the poster I don't have it really clear yet.
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Post by magpie on Apr 24, 2014 3:58:41 GMT -5
THREE MINUTES (YES 3) SORRY TO TAKE UP YOUR TIME. AS YOU WOULD BE READING THIS IN THE WARMTH OF YOUR HOME. AT MIDNIGHT 3MINUTES,, THAT IS AS LONG AS IT TAKES ME AND OTHERS TO SERVE A BAGEL AND COFFEE OR SOUP.TO SOME POOR HOMELESS BUM,CHILD OR ABUSED WOMAN? I AM HEADING FOR 80 YRS? SO IF YOU ARE AS I SUSPECT A CRITICAL JUDGE OF OTHERS AND THEIR LITERY INABILITIES,GOOD. I WILL PRAY TO GOD TO HELP ME TO WRITE WITH MORE 21st CENTURY UNDERSTANDING,I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND ENOUGH (INC" GRACE).BUT US 1930s BABIES ARE A BIT SLOW. AS YOU PUPILS OF IRVINES JUDGEMENTS,AS AN EX AND WORKER VICTIM OF CSA CRIMES, I KNOW HOW A LITTLE BIT OF WRITIMG INACCURACIES AND INCONVIENENCE WOULD BOTHER YOU LOTS MORE THAN THE TYPES AS FATHER BOB AND OTHER THAT HIT THE STREETS,3rd WORLD, AND GHETTOS,PEOPLE THAT ARE FULL OF SOULS CRYING OUT FOR ANSWERS,CHANGE AND LOVE. NO I TYPE AS I CAN AND SORRY TO AROUSE THE INBUILT SARCASM AND JUDGMENTS OF IRVINISM IN YOU ALL. BUT IF IT MAKES YOU HAPPIER THAN ROLLING UP YOUR SLEEVES AND "DO FOR OTHERS",IT IS YOU BEFORE GOD..HOPE YOU REST UNEASY TONIGHT AND SEEK GODS INSTRUCTION ON HOW TO USE YOUR LAZY TIME FOR HIM,INSTEAD OF FINDING LITTLE BITS TO PICK ON ,AND SEE THE OUTREACH,WELFARE,JUSTICE,COMPASSION, AND MANY OTHER THINGS YOU CAN DO FOR HIS "LOVED"ONES' THE ONES THAT JESUS DIED FOR THE SAME PRICE HE PAID FOR YOU?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 5:08:29 GMT -5
Uh Magpie... don't get on people's nerves. Seems each new generation of Internet people have to learn the etiquette. Capitalize only for effect (too much effect is no effect) Lots of Paragraphs (Hemingway's Rule 1 was " short sentences") and... please, no bulk copy and paste - its a Real Turnoff. and, be friendly (this one I forget at times!) ps I tend not to read mega-long or over-capitalized texts.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 24, 2014 5:11:48 GMT -5
Magpie, just wanted to let you know I read all your posts & I must say I enjoy them, no words minced you say it like it is, and good on you for being game enough to have your say !
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