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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 25, 2014 17:17:51 GMT -5
THREE MINUTES (YES 3) SORRY TO TAKE UP YOUR TIME. AS YOU WOULD BE READING THIS IN THE WARMTH OF YOUR HOME.AT MIDNIGHT 3MINUTES,, THAT IS AS LONG AS IT TAKES ME AND OTHERS TO SERVE A BAGEL AND COFFEE OR SOUP. TO SOME POOR HOMELESS BUM,CHILD OR ABUSED WOMAN? I AM HEADING FOR 80 YRS? SO IF YOU ARE AS I SUSPECT A CRITICAL JUDGE OF OTHERS AND THEIR LITERY INABILITIES,GOOD. I WILL PRAY TO GOD TO HELP ME TO WRITE WITH MORE 21st CENTURY UNDERSTANDING. I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND ENOUGH (INC" GRACE). BUT US 1930s BABIES ARE A BIT SLOW. AS YOU PUPILS OF IRVINES JUDGEMENTS,AS AN EX AND WORKER VICTIM OF CSA CRIMES, I KNOW HOW A LITTLE BIT OF WRITIMG INACCURACIES AND INCONVIENENCE WOULD BOTHER YOU LOTS MORE THAN THE TYPES AS FATHER BOB AND OTHER THAT HIT THE STREETS,3rd WORLD, AND GHETTOS,PEOPLE THAT ARE FULL OF SOULS CRYING OUT FOR ANSWERS,CHANGE AND LOVE. NO I TYPE AS I CAN AND SORRY TO AROUSE THE INBUILT SARCASM AND JUDGMENTS OF IRVINISM IN YOU ALL.
BUT IF IT MAKES YOU HAPPIER THAN ROLLING UP YOUR SLEEVES AND "DO FOR OTHERS",IT IS YOU BEFORE GOD.. HOPE YOU REST UNEASY TONIGHT AND SEEK GODS INSTRUCTION ON HOW TO USE YOUR LAZY TIME FOR HIM,INSTEAD OF FINDING LITTLE BITS TO PICK ON ,AND SEE THE OUTREACH,WELFARE,JUSTICE,COMPASSION, AND MANY OTHER THINGS YOU CAN DO FOR HIS "LOVED"ONES' THE ONES THAT JESUS DIED FOR THE SAME PRICE HE PAID FOR YOU? Magpie.
You may be HEADING FOR 80 YRS., but I am already there- I was 82 in February .
I also am one of those 1930s BABIES and a bit slow.
No one is criticizing you or attacking you, -only trying to help you how to get your message out.
In stead, you attack us for trying to help you!
See how much easier it is to read what you wrote when all I did was just separate your sentences?
( well, I did underline some of your critical remarks about us )
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 25, 2014 17:25:04 GMT -5
Magpie, all caps "bothers" me too. It's not just that all caps looks like your shouting at me, it's hard to read. I just don't bother to read posts like that. You don't have to read them.They are a lot easier to skim over to the next posting. And I don't read them,-except to try to show how much easier they would be to read if only one change was made.
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Post by jondough on Apr 25, 2014 17:25:39 GMT -5
That is probably one of my biggest problems with our fellowship - that is how we judge everyone else to hell. Exclusiveness. It's so wrong in so many ways. I feel like many problems stem from this thinking. It seems a person would not be able to objectively read, pray, meditate on this, and truly continue to believe this. Especially after knowing that our fellowship hasn't been around much more than 130 years.
Fortunately I am noticing that more and more people are outwardly expressing that they don't feel like we are the only ones saved. I really think that it's getting much harder to indoctrinate people like this. There is just too much information available. Too many versions of the bible that are easier to understand. Too many studies available of the bible that allow a person to come to their own leading and understanding.
Our fellowship will be a much better fellowship without the self righteousness of this exclusive thinking.
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Post by snow on Apr 25, 2014 18:23:41 GMT -5
It's tough for me to read all caps and no spaces also. However, I don't think that is correlated to the fact that I worship William Irvine. Stand united against capital punishment! LOL Gene, you are the best. Some day I really would like to meet you!!
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Post by Gene on Apr 25, 2014 18:40:03 GMT -5
Stand united against capital punishment! LOL Gene, you are the best. Some day I really would like to meet you!!
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Post by faune on Apr 25, 2014 20:14:50 GMT -5
Stand united against capital punishment! LOL Gene, you are the best. Some day I really would like to meet you!! Snow ~ Ditto! Gene is a cool guy and so funny!
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 25, 2014 22:21:27 GMT -5
Bert you did not answer the question, what is your churches doctrine ? As to Mr Bling well maybe you should do a bit of research into the amount of money that has been spent by the workers to get people like EB a high profile lawyer. As to the sumptuous life, well the workers sure don't do it hard like they did 40 years ago ! Laptops & smartphones are common place! Yet you are concerned about ornate robes. Yes Christ finished the Church, not left for workers to continue building upon with man-made rules and William Irvine"s ideas. So in your opinion no workers have ever taken that glory to themselves..... you only have to see what happen to Irvine to understand man wanting glory ! I do not justify myself because a worker has sinned, we are all human, what I have a problem with are workers & people thinking they are the "only right way" and judging other churches, yet they don't want to see what is happening & being covered-up ( CC & EB as an example) and lets not start on NSW ! To me wickedness is children being abused and people covering it up, not fancy robes worn by Mr Bling. As to the doctrines that I live by you do not know that nor do you know the reason why I am not a member of your church anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 23:09:37 GMT -5
Quote - "...what is your churches doctrine?" Same as Jesus'
Quote - "As to Mr Bling well maybe you should do a bit of research into the amount of money that has been spent by the workers to get people like EB a high profile lawyer." Is that the same as adorning youself in unauthorized religious robes to symbolize a holiness that isn't readily apparant in your life?
Quote - "As to the sumptuous life, well the workers sure don't do it hard like they did 40 years ago ! Laptops & smartphones are common place! Yet you are concerned about ornate robes." You can get a laptop and phone in Walmart, can't you?
Quote - "Yes Christ finished the Church, not left for workers to continue building upon with man-made rules and William Irvine"s ideas." Are you an exe? Irvine is the father of exes. As for "man made" rules - yes, Paul, Peter, John and Jude were men, as far as I can tell. Only, they didn't "invent" those rules.
Quote - "So in your opinion no workers have ever taken that glory to themselves ..... you only have to see what happen to Irvine to understand man wanting glory!" Your Irvine guy certainly wanted glory - if you believe the exes version of the story.
Quote - "I do not justify myself because a worker has sinned, we are all human, what I have a problem with are workers & people thinking they are the "only right way" and judging other churches, yet they don't want to see what is happening & being covered-up ( CC & EB as an example) and lets not start on NSW !" Sorry but you ARE justifying yourself.
Quote - "To me wickedness is children being abused and people covering it up, not fancy robes worn by Mr Bling. As to the doctrines that I live by you do not know that nor do you know the reason why I am not a member of your church anymore." Here's the Problem: If I saw a member of my own church, say, glorifying or enriching himself I can say "That is wrong." and I can be pretty sure that person won't defend themselves. I see someone in a mainstream church doing the same and they will give you the old line about "times have changed since Jesus' day" and "we need money for salaries and church properties" and "the more fame I have, the more people will turn to Christ." etc nauseous etc..
That's the Difference.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 26, 2014 0:45:14 GMT -5
Quote - "...what is your churches doctrine?" Same as Jesus'c Which is what Bert ? Did Jesus say what clothes women have to wear? Did Jesus say we have to wear our hair in a bun? ( don't know how its a covering when its up in a bun! ) Quote - "As to Mr Bling well maybe you should do a bit of research into the amount of money that has been spent by the workers to get people like EB a high profile lawyer." Is that the same as adorning youself in unauthorized religious robes to symbolize a holiness that isn't readily apparant in your life?c I think its worse that someone wearing religious robes ! At least the "worldly churches" keep records of where money is spent & they are accountable. They don't preach that they are homeless poor preaches like the workers do. Yet as Evan Jones said about Victoria " We are well off" and where did the money come from for the lawyer of a child abuser? Quote - "As to the sumptuous life, well the workers sure don't do it hard like they did 40 years ago ! Laptops & smartphones are common place! Yet you are concerned about ornate robes." You can get a laptop and phone in Walmart, can't you?c What has buying a laptop or smart phone in Walmart got to do with workers having all the latest devices? You were the one that said about worldly preaches living fancy & my point was the workers no longer live the hard life..... they even have the very things that were preached against 10 years ago !! Quote - "Yes Christ finished the Church, not left for workers to continue building upon with man-made rules and William Irvine"s ideas." Are you an exe? Irvine is the father of exes. As for "man made" rules - yes, Paul, Peter, John and Jude were men, as far as I can tell. Only, they didn't "invent" those rules.c I have already said I am no longer a member.... as to being an ex well I suppose you could say that! Irvine is the father of your church Bert, not the father of the Ex's. Jesus didn't make the dress rules either, they came from the founder of your church & have continued on from there ! Do you ever wonder why some one maybe an ex Bert ? Or do you just judge & say they have lost out or are a bitter ex ? As a believer of "the true way" and a Christian I would think to show the right Christian attitude you would at least ask " Why are you an Ex ?" Quote - "So in your opinion no workers have ever taken that glory to themselves ..... you only have to see what happen to Irvine to understand man wanting glory!" Your Irvine guy certainly wanted glory - if you believe the exes version of the story.c Again Bert Irvine was the founder of your church ! Quote - "I do not justify myself because a worker has sinned, we are all human, what I have a problem with are workers & people thinking they are the "only right way" and judging other churches, yet they don't want to see what is happening & being covered-up ( CC & EB as an example) and lets not start on NSW !" Sorry but you ARE justifying yourself.c I don't need to justify myself Bert ! My eyes are open I see the lies that have been told for the last 100 years and the cover-ups that are still happening ! I get angry about children being abused & the workers doing it being moved to another state .... Quote - "To me wickedness is children being abused and people covering it up, not fancy robes worn by Mr Bling. As to the doctrines that I live by you do not know that nor do you know the reason why I am not a member of your church anymore." Here's the Problem: If I saw a member of my own church, say, glorifying or enriching himself I can say "That is wrong." and I can be pretty sure that person won't defend themselves. I see someone in a mainstream church doing the same and they will give you the old line about "times have changed since Jesus' day" and "we need money for salaries and church properties" and "the more fame I have, the more people will turn to Christ." etc nauseous etc..
That's the Difference.c Open your eyes Bert .... they are glorifying a system in favour of child abuse ! As to times have changed, go back over some old notes & see all the fire & brimstone preaching then copy them on here & see what response you get from the friends ... " times have changed" ! As to money what about all the money spent on Convention grounds to be used 2-3 times a year ( Maroota) for example ... and yet you judge mainstream churches because they take money for church properties !
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Post by jj on Apr 26, 2014 8:26:30 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair to make sweeping generalisations about those in other churches, and what their motives are for evangelizing. Yes, there is corruption, but it is not exclusive to any one church or group, being present throughout all levels of society. There are many honest, sincere people all through the world just trying to do their best, because they love God.
I really think there is a great benefit in analysing our own thoughts and thought patterns. So often we develop our own theories and ideas relying simply on what we've been told, instead of thinking for ourselves.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 26, 2014 8:37:09 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair to make sweeping generalisations about those in other churches, and what their motives are for evangelizing. Yes, there is corruption, but it is not exclusive to any one church or group, being present throughout all levels of society. There are many honest, sincere people all through the world just trying to do their best, because they love God. I really think there is a great benefit in analysing our own thoughts and thought patterns. So often we develop our own theories and ideas relying simply on what we've been told, instead of thinking for ourselves. jj that is so true, we can become so indoctrinated by what our parents or grandparents have told us even what the workers have told us, without really thinking for ourselves. Sure there is corruption everywhere, but some people seem to think their group or way is perfect !!
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Post by jondough on Apr 26, 2014 9:03:22 GMT -5
According to Wikipedia, there are 4,100 religions, and 42,000 denominations of Christianity.
I would say that many, if not the majority of these think they are the only right way.
I really do think what Jesus meant when he said HE is the Way, the Truth, and the Light. Then he he explained how narrow the way is.....This is what he was talking about. There will be so many people that think their fellowship is the RIGHT one, and everyone else is wrong. That is the Wideness he was talking about. The Narrow way he was referring to was to stay away from that common way of thinking. The wide gate is Jesus plus whatever religion or denomination. The narrow gate is HIM and HIM only. Not YOUR one of 42,000 denominations, and 4,100 religions. Thats man's way of thinking.
You want to be safe....choose Jesus ONLY. Your choice WILL NOT be wrong You want to be safe......don't judge others
You want to make a crapshoot.....choose one of 42,000 denominations, condemn everyone else....and hope like heck that you have chosen correctly. Worse yet....choose the one you happened to be born into, and condemn the rest of the 99.99081 percent of the world.
p.s. If you "Say" you have chosen Jesus only...and you don't accept others that have chosen Jesus only as a brother....you are kidding yourself.
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Post by snow on Apr 26, 2014 10:19:07 GMT -5
According to Wikipedia, there are 4,100 religions, and 42,000 denominations of Christianity. I would say that many, if not the majority of these think they are the only right way. I really do think what Jesus meant when he said HE is the Way, the Truth, and the Light. Then he he explained how narrow the way is.....This is what he was talking about. There will be so many people that think their fellowship is the RIGHT one, and everyone else is wrong. That is the Wideness he was talking about. The Narrow way he was referring to was to stay away from that common way of thinking. The wide gate is Jesus plus whatever religion or denomination. The narrow gate is HIM and HIM only. Not YOUR one of 42,000 denominations, and 4,100 religions. Thats man's way of thinking. You want to be safe....choose Jesus ONLY. Your choice WILL NOT be wrong You want to be safe......don't judge others You want to make a crapshoot.....choose one of 42,000 denominations, condemn everyone else....and hope like heck that you have chosen correctly. Worse yet....choose the one you happened to be born into, and condemn the rest of the 99.99081 percent of the world. p.s. If you "Say" you have chosen Jesus only...and you don't accept others that have chosen Jesus only as a brother....you are kidding yourself. While I don't put a lot of stock in Jesus, I do believe there is such a thing as a 'Christ consciousness' for lack of a better term. But it isn't something that started with Jesus, but rather has been with us as long as we have formed communities.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 27, 2014 3:24:32 GMT -5
Quote - "...what is your churches doctrine?" Same as Jesus'c Which is what Bert ? Did Jesus say what clothes women have to wear? Did Jesus say we have to wear our hair in a bun? ( don't know how its a covering when its up in a bun! ) Quote - "As to Mr Bling well maybe you should do a bit of research into the amount of money that has been spent by the workers to get people like EB a high profile lawyer." Is that the same as adorning youself in unauthorized religious robes to symbolize a holiness that isn't readily apparant in your life?c I think its worse that someone wearing religious robes ! At least the "worldly churches" keep records of where money is spent & they are accountable. They don't preach that they are homeless poor preaches like the workers do. Yet as Evan Jones said about Victoria " We are well off" and where did the money come from for the lawyer of a child abuser? Quote - "As to the sumptuous life, well the workers sure don't do it hard like they did 40 years ago ! Laptops & smartphones are common place! Yet you are concerned about ornate robes." You can get a laptop and phone in Walmart, can't you?c What has buying a laptop or smart phone in Walmart got to do with workers having all the latest devices? You were the one that said about worldly preaches living fancy & my point was the workers no longer live the hard life..... they even have the very things that were preached against 10 years ago !! Quote - "Yes Christ finished the Church, not left for workers to continue building upon with man-made rules and William Irvine"s ideas." Are you an exe? Irvine is the father of exes. As for "man made" rules - yes, Paul, Peter, John and Jude were men, as far as I can tell. Only, they didn't "invent" those rules.c I have already said I am no longer a member.... as to being an ex well I suppose you could say that! Irvine is the father of your church Bert, not the father of the Ex's. Jesus didn't make the dress rules either, they came from the founder of your church & have continued on from there ! Do you ever wonder why some one maybe an ex Bert ? Or do you just judge & say they have lost out or are a bitter ex ? As a believer of "the true way" and a Christian I would think to show the right Christian attitude you would at least ask " Why are you an Ex ?" Quote - "So in your opinion no workers have ever taken that glory to themselves ..... you only have to see what happen to Irvine to understand man wanting glory!" Your Irvine guy certainly wanted glory - if you believe the exes version of the story.c Again Bert Irvine was the founder of your church ! Quote - "I do not justify myself because a worker has sinned, we are all human, what I have a problem with are workers & people thinking they are the "only right way" and judging other churches, yet they don't want to see what is happening & being covered-up ( CC & EB as an example) and lets not start on NSW !" Sorry but you ARE justifying yourself.c I don't need to justify myself Bert ! My eyes are open I see the lies that have been told for the last 100 years and the cover-ups that are still happening ! I get angry about children being abused & the workers doing it being moved to another state .... Quote - "To me wickedness is children being abused and people covering it up, not fancy robes worn by Mr Bling. As to the doctrines that I live by you do not know that nor do you know the reason why I am not a member of your church anymore." Here's the Problem: If I saw a member of my own church, say, glorifying or enriching himself I can say "That is wrong." and I can be pretty sure that person won't defend themselves. I see someone in a mainstream church doing the same and they will give you the old line about "times have changed since Jesus' day" and "we need money for salaries and church properties" and "the more fame I have, the more people will turn to Christ." etc nauseous etc..
That's the Difference.c Open your eyes Bert .... they are glorifying a system in favour of child abuse ! As to times have changed, go back over some old notes & see all the fire & brimstone preaching then copy them on here & see what response you get from the friends ... " times have changed" ! As to money what about all the money spent on Convention grounds to be used 2-3 times a year ( Maroota) for example ... and yet you judge mainstream churches because they take money for church properties !
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 28, 2014 2:07:10 GMT -5
Well its seems Bert is thinking about this one
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 2:48:25 GMT -5
c Which is what Bert ? Did Jesus say what clothes women have to wear? Did Jesus say we have to wear our hair in a bun? ( don't know how its a covering when its up in a bun! )
You can infer a lot from that Jesus said or how He lived. By Peter and Paul mentioned clothing and hair. And IMO they did so because there were people who didn't get it.
c I think its worse that someone wearing religious robes ! At least the "worldly churches" keep records of where money is spent & they are accountable. They don't preach that they are homeless poor preaches like the workers do. Yet as Evan Jones said about Victoria " We are well off" and where did the money come from for the lawyer of a child abuser?
Yes, Workers are "well off" in that they are cared for. They are not "well off" as in personal financial situation. Jesus was "well off" with good clothes, open homes and at times, good meals.
c What has buying a laptop or smart phone in Walmart got to do with workers having all the latest devices? You were the one that said about worldly preaches living fancy & my point was the workers no longer live the hard life..... they even have the very things that were preached against 10 years ago !!
"Living fancy" is not the issue. And you can't define "fancy" as it changes a lot. France's Louis XVI was captured during the French Revolution when his "soft hands" gave him away. We all have "soft hands" now, and "soft clothing" that Jesus mentioned those in king's courts wore.
c I have already said I am no longer a member.... as to being an ex well I suppose you could say that! Irvine is the father of your church Bert, not the father of the Ex's. Jesus didn't make the dress rules either, they came from the founder of your church & have continued on from there ! Do you ever wonder why some one maybe an ex Bert ? Or do you just judge & say they have lost out or are a bitter ex ? As a believer of "the true way" and a Christian I would think to show the right Christian attitude you would at least ask " Why are you an Ex ?"
If I read the bible as preached it a.s....i.t....i.s...w.r.i.t.t.e.n. then am I the founder of a New Way, or living the Old Way? And if I read the scripture which urges people to d.r.e.s.s....m.o.d.e.r.a.t.e.l.y. and ask people to "dress moderately" am I being an "Irvinist"?
c Again Bert Irvine was the founder of your church !
I don't accept that. Irvine final, fitting days was as an exe.
c I don't need to justify myself Bert ! My eyes are open I see the lies that have been told for the last 100 years and the cover-ups that are still happening ! I get angry about children being abused & the workers doing it being moved to another state ....
So what church do you belong to? I will look it up on the internet. Remember, if I find someone who did the worng thing I can say you are a liar. (?)
c Open your eyes Bert .... they are glorifying a system in favour of child abuse !
What movie you been watching?
c As to times have changed, go back over some old notes & see all the fire & brimstone preaching then copy them on here & see what response you get from the friends ... " times have changed" ! As to money what about all the money spent on Convention grounds to be used 2-3 times a year ( Maroota) for example ... and yet you judge mainstream churches because they take money for church properties !
I have some 1940 notes, will that suffice? Not a single MENTION of fire or brimstone in any I have read. Church buildings are not authorized in the New Testament.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 28, 2014 4:34:33 GMT -5
Thank you for your reply Bert, I will answer you tomorrow
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 28, 2014 4:42:53 GMT -5
Don't have meetings in a home where children are not under control. Those who have the privilege of having meetings in their Homes are responsible for exercising Authority over their children, so there is no romping around or disturbance while God's people are in the Meeting. [Conv Notes 1910-1917 P. 65] REF #306
Ada Cederman I heard of one sometime ago who spoke in such a way that he meant that the workers couldn't understand the children like the parents could because the workers haven't a natural family of their own; that they couldn't help the children like the parents could. I wonder did that such a one or such ones ever stop to consider that God who has so won the hearts of men and women that they have been willing to lay aside all earthly ties and affections so that they might be in his hands...have they stopped to think does more sacrifice mean less understanding? The parents might be nearer to their children in the sense of knowing their natural feelings, but aren't the workers nearer to God, and isn't it those that are nearer to God who are going to help your children, and don't the workers, who have sacrificed the human ties so as to get nearer to God...don't they look at your children from a safer angle than what you do? [Pukekohe, NZ Conv 12/3/43] REF #201
Here is a sample of old notes for you Bert !
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 28, 2014 4:56:27 GMT -5
Eldon Tenniswood - A Family Counseling Meeting at Santee - June 28, 1977
Love in the homelife is the backbone of the country, the church and it makes for happiness in the home. People are looking for happiness and that comes by having the love of God as the ruling power in our hearts and in our homes. There is no better influence in which to raise your family than having the love of God in the home. Mother told me when I went into the work not to tell people how to raise their children, because many of the ex-workers' children were not obedient, but we in the work have observed a few things which we like to pass on. In Judges 13, it speaks of Manoah, who, when the angel of the Lord came to them and told them they were to have a son, "prayed, 'How shall we order the child?'" The angel returned and told them what the mother was to do and how she should order her life, but nothing was said how to order the child's life. So tonight, I feel the one thing that will help you the most in rearing children is to, have the new nature from God and you can then live the love of God in the home. Love includes correction, guidance and our influence in the home. It is very difficult to have the love of God rule in our lives and home, because we all have a human nature which desires to take its own way. There are two things love always does - sacrifices and serves.
When a wife reverences her husband, she will sacrifice for him and serve him. When the husband loves his wife, he will do the same for her. When people get married, they have a great love for one another and are so willing to do for one another, but after a little while, they feel the other one is not doing his part or her part. The husband sometimes demands service, and sometimes the wife demands service. When they do this, they do not want to sacrifice for one another. If a boy or girl is raised in a home where there is love and the husband is the head of the home, yet makes sacrifices and serves his family, and the mother does likewise, usually the children have a good background when they marry. If the father is cruel, the chances are that the children will take on that trait. If the mother is bossy, the children often take on that trait, especially the girls. There is no better influence under which to train up a child than for the wife to love her husband and the husband to love his wife. Sometimes the ugly things we see in children, they learn from their parents. One Saturday, two little girls about three and foul years old were quarreling in a home. The mother said to the father, "I have them all week, so it's your turn today." He took the little ones and told them about God being a living God and He sees things and hears things. He told them God heard the murmurings of the Children of Israel, and lie hears when you quarrel. He got his point over very well, because one of the little children said to him, "Daddy, does God hear when you and Mama quarrel?"
I don't think my father and mother always agreed, but never did they disagree in our presence. They were quite different from one another, but they agreed to stand by one another and we children never knew there was any difference in their opinions. If we asked something special from our father, and he said "No," then we went to our mother and asked the same thing, we were in serious trouble. I will say to you young married people here, whatever you say to your children, be in agreement and carry it through. If you are wrong, don't be too proud to admit your mistake, other wise you lose ground with your children. My first year in Indiana, we visited a home where they had three children. The little boy was told he wouldn't get his dessert until he cleaned up his plate. However, he pouted and played with his food until it came time to serve the dessert. The mother apparently forgot what she told the boy. She gave him his dessert. My companion spoke up and said, "Why did you lie to your boy?" She said, "What do you mean, lie?" I thought my companion was getting in deep water as the woman was furious. Then my companion said, "You lied. You said he would not get anything else to eat until he cleaned up his plate. He didn't clean up his plate, but you gave him his dessert." What my companion said was very true. He was true in his endeavor to help this young mother. Be careful what you say to your children and carry it through. If you cannot carry through, then apologize. In this way, you teach your children you mean what you say and you are true to your word before God.
John the Baptist's father and mother were chosen for certain office and that was to rear the forerunner of Christ. They were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. It is easy for parents to be influenced by what other people do in the neighborhood or in the church. My father and mother were accused of being very cruel to us children. They only spoke once to us and expected immediate response. We never could say, "Wait a minute." When they spoke, it was necessary for us to obey immediately. I don't remember when this started, but it would be very difficult to start when children are five years old. Parents who have had the most success with obedient children began when the children were in their arms as babies. One father and mother had five boys; the baby was about four months old and when he cried; she took him to the kitchen and when she had examined his clothing to see nothing was hurting him, she brought him back into the meeting. He cried again. She took him out to the kitchen again and when he stopped, she brought him back into the meeting, and that time he squealed with anger. The mother took him out and spanked him. Some of the mothers in the meeting were upset because they knew the little baby didn't know what he was doing. After the meeting, one mother came to are complaining to me about what Olive did to her tiny baby. In the meeting, her four little boys sat very quietly when the parents' eyes were upon them, but if the parents weren't looking, they were just boys. I appreciated the love and discipline they had in the home, so I told the complaining mother, "When you get your child to mind you when you have ahold of her as Olive's children obey her when she looks at them, I will listen to your theory of raising children."
Great advice from someone who didn't have children on how to raise children !!
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 28, 2014 5:02:56 GMT -5
When Moses came down from the mountain, his face shone and he had to put on a shield. If we can get victory as Moses did, people will see something different in us. The kind of company we keep will have a very great effect on our lives – the wrong as well as the right. If we live very much with the world, we will begin to savour of the world.
What is written on me? What do people read in me that has been written by the hand of God and by the spirit of God? We have a great effect on others. Do we love the company of the dead or do we want the company of the Lord? We don’t go to shows or ball games, etc. because we don’t feel at home there, not because we are not allowed to go.
" Do we love the company of the dead " ? Wow how judgemental is that !
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 28, 2014 5:07:43 GMT -5
George Walker - North Hatley, Quebec, Canada Convention - Friday Morning, July 3, 1936
Psalm 30, this Psalm was written at the dedication of the house of God. This Psalm was David’s thoughts. Sometimes we wouldn’t like people to know our thoughts. What secret have some people in getting victory, the greatest secret is secret fellowship with God. This Psalm may be a pattern to show what each child is passing through. God has not intended that we should get glory in his Way. David had a craving for the fellowship of God. If we don’t have this, we have just the empty shell. Jesus prayed on the mountain where he could be alone with God. Life eternal is fellowship with God. There is something in human nature which seems to long for a higher fellowship. Animals even feel the need of a higher fellowship. They long for the fellowship of man. A dog or horse love their masters. The true people of God’s family are the ones who crave his touch and won’t be satisfied without it. David was a king with much on his mind; many duties to attend to. Yet he had time to spend with God and got victory in his life. He was a man after God’s own heart.
Material things: Don’t think too much of these things. David wasn’t selfish. We should think of what we could do to help others to enjoy. A true child of God not only thinks of what God has prepared for us, but he also thinks of trying to have a fit dwelling place in our hearts for God. Make Him feel at home. God doesn’t beg any of us. He wants us to have a willing heart. David could not build the temple himself, but he made it possible for his son Solomon to do so. Sometimes we can’t do things ourselves, but we can perhaps help our children to do it. Prayer first, then praise. Disease in body is not as dangerous as disease of the soul. The best doctors in a natural way are the ones who remove the cause…same in spiritual way. Some diseases of soul are doubts, fears, unbelief, hatred, selfishness, envy. The cure is getting to the fountain of life. David felt he was nearly overcome at times and he praised God he was saved from this. Every child will know of the night or dark experience. He tests us in this Way. This is the time that means more to me to be true. It means more to God to have us true then. If we could get a glimpse of the morning we would be more willing for the suffering. We have to pay the price before we get anything for the meeting. Don’t go to extremes in God’s Way. Don’t think some are perfect and don’t think because some have failed that God’s Way is all wrong.
Psalm 31, sometimes when a person is sick in body, the doctor will say, "If the heart will hold out, they will be all right." The same is true in the Spiritual. How can we strengthen our hearts spiritually? Wait on the Lord. Truly pray alone.
Psalms 31, 56, 57, 142, 34. Psalm 34, this is a testimony. They were written after he killed the Philistine and he ran away. He was just about going to join in with the Philistines after killing the giant, but God knew it was just a weakness of the moment and he saved him from doing this because his purpose was true.
Psalm 35, we can give evil for evil. We can give good for evil, or we can give evil for good. This is devilish. Verse 20, don’t interfere in things. Be the quiet of the land. Study to be quiet. Have the meek and quiet spirit. Don’t say too much to unsaved people.
Psalm 37 is a great tonic when the devil tries to tell you the wicked are the most prosperous. Anyone who reads this Psalm carefully and prayerfully can’t help but be comforted.
"Don't say too much to unsaved people" !!!!!!!! I don't think I need to say anymore ............
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Post by jscc1 on Apr 28, 2014 17:25:58 GMT -5
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Post by jscc1 on Apr 28, 2014 17:29:00 GMT -5
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Post by jscc1 on Apr 28, 2014 17:29:57 GMT -5
Not taking http:// sorry
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Post by jscc1 on Apr 28, 2014 17:36:06 GMT -5
I think I Have it now? http:/wingsfortruth.info/robertkee-pdf/
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Post by jscc1 on Apr 28, 2014 17:38:52 GMT -5
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 28, 2014 18:28:43 GMT -5
Ok Bert I am going to break this post down so we can look at each point : c Which is what Bert ? Did Jesus say what clothes women have to wear? Did Jesus say we have to wear our hair in a bun? ( don't know how its a covering when its up in a bun! )
You can infer a lot from that Jesus said or how He lived. By Peter and Paul mentioned clothing and hair. And IMO they did so because there were people who didn't get it.
d. In your opinion exactly what was it people didn't get ? And where did Peter or Paul say a women must wear her hair in a bun?
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Post by fixit on Apr 28, 2014 18:38:42 GMT -5
c Which is what Bert ? Did Jesus say what clothes women have to wear? Did Jesus say we have to wear our hair in a bun? ( don't know how its a covering when its up in a bun! ) You can infer a lot from that Jesus said or how He lived. By Peter and Paul mentioned clothing and hair. And IMO they did so because there were people who didn't get it.I think Jesus, Peter and Paul would all be disgusted with people who teach human rules and yet can't make a stand against sexual immorality and even child sexual abuse.
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