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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 14, 2014 1:17:37 GMT -5
Nathan that stuff is nonsense. The Nazi's did not have the scientific, engineering, material resources or even the financial ability to do any of this. The rocket program was costing them a bundle as it was. The Nazi stole a lot of money, gold from the Jews all over Europe, arts masterpieces from many nations, natural resources, they conquered to financial their advance weapons technology! They prepared for the 1000 yrs Reich.
The Monuments Men is a 2014 American-German[4][5] war film directed by George Clooney, written and produced by Clooney and Grant Heslov, and starring Clooney, Matt Damon, Bill Murray, John Goodman, Jean Dujardin, Bob Balaban, Hugh Bonneville, and Cate Blanchett. Loosely based on the non-fiction book, The Monuments Men: Allied Heroes, Nazi Thieves and the Greatest Treasure Hunt in History, gold teeth from the Jews, by Robert M. Edsel, the film follows an allied group, the Monuments, Fine Arts, and Archives program, tasked with finding and saving pieces of art and other culturally important items before their destruction by Hitler during World War II.[6][7]
Nathan, we know how the Nazi stole art & gold etc. THAT doesn't automatically translate into advanced technology!
Any way they would have to first develop technology to overcome gravity & send a rocket to the moon before they could transport stuff up there to build a station!
Think through that one in a rational manner if you can.
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Post by Brick on Jun 14, 2014 1:55:11 GMT -5
The "Nazi"/Germans had a moon base city in the late 1930's (033:01). I LOVE this stuff! We not only have Stargate, but Iron Sky too!
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Post by Greg on Jun 14, 2014 2:45:23 GMT -5
The Monuments Men is a 2014 American-German[4][5] war film directed by George Clooney, written and produced by Clooney and Grant Heslov, and starring Clooney, Matt Damon, Bill Murray, John Goodman, Jean Dujardin, Bob Balaban, Hugh Bonneville, and Cate Blanchett. Loosely based on the non-fiction book, The Monuments Men: Allied Heroes, Nazi Thieves and the Greatest Treasure Hunt in History, tons of gold teeth taken from the Jews and others, massive gold bars hidden in 9 abandoned coals mines by Robert M. Edsel, the film follows an allied group, the Monuments, Fine Arts, and Archives program, tasked with finding and saving pieces of art and other culturally important items before their destruction by Hitler during World War II.[6][7] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monuments_Men_(film)Good to see a source and credit given. Keep it up!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 14, 2014 3:41:31 GMT -5
Films don't make history, facts do. Ditto for Youtube
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 21:30:51 GMT -5
Nathan, do you think the Nazi's were putting stolen paintings on the art market to finance a moon base?
Anything on the moon is far easier to see than on the Earth, where do you suppose these Nazi moon bases are? Have you ever tried to think these things through?
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jun 15, 2014 18:03:22 GMT -5
It could be true the Nazi had enormous problems with their rocket programs but NOT in the UFOs department/program. They had a few UFOs in a full operation during WW II. You should read the article below. The Germans/Japanese landed on the Moon as early as probably 1942. Nazi/the Greys and Reptilians. www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_46.htmNathan, In the past I have ignored the errors in your posts because I know, in comparison, you have limited intellect. But this was enough to get me out of my snug underground lair on Venus and make the trip back to a civilization that still uses electronic media to communicate. I have been sending you thought messages for several earth-months. You have distorted the situation. The Germans were the aliens and WWII was something I, with the help of my lizard friends, used to control the situation. From now on - no posts without some evidence to back up what you say. Listen to xna and Carl S. Don't make me show up at your house unannounced in the middle of the night.
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Post by faune on Jun 15, 2014 18:14:47 GMT -5
It could be true the Nazi had enormous problems with their rocket programs but NOT in the UFOs department/program. They had a few UFOs in a full operation during WW II. You should read the article below. The Germans/Japanese landed on the Moon as early as probably 1942. Nazi/the Greys and Reptilians. www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_46.htmNathan, In the past I have ignored the errors in your posts because I know, in comparison, you have limited intellect. But this was enough to get me out of my snug underground lair on Venus and make the trip back to a civilization that still uses electronic media to communicate. I have been sending you thought messages for several earth-months. You have distorted the situation. The Germans were the aliens and WWII was something I, with the help of my lizard friends, used to control the situation. From now on - no posts without some evidence to back up what you say. Listen to xna and Carl S. Don't make me show up at your house unannounced in the middle of the night. Wow ~ Valiant Thor finally paid us a visit to back up Nathan's claims! How awesome! Now we know he still exists and even reads our posts on TMB!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 4:14:56 GMT -5
Nathan I don't follow these links. Might get a virus or something. Maybe you can post your Nazi moon base photo on this board? Also, can you think of a way your theory can be disproved? That's an essential part of any science theory.
ps there IS a "dark side of the moon" and it aint that over- blown bit of Pink Floyd marketing - its a few craters on the south pole of the moon where sunlight can't reach. These areas are Prime Realestate for future Chinese, Russian, Indian, Japanese, or European explorers.
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Post by Greg on Jun 16, 2014 4:37:19 GMT -5
Nathan I don't follow these links. Might get a virus or something. Maybe you can post your Nazi moon base photo on this board? Also, can you think of a way your theory can be disproved? That's an essential part of any science theory. ps there IS a "dark side of the moon" and it aint that over- blown bit of Pink Floyd marketing - its a few craters on the south pole of the moon where sunlight can't reach. These areas are Prime Realestate for future Chinese, Russian, Indian, Japanese, or European explorers. No, not one this board. On some sub-board, maybe...if at all.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jun 16, 2014 9:36:23 GMT -5
Be nice! if you don't like what I post then don't read or reply it. Be a man or a woman post under your real name so all know who you're. Don't hide behind under a bed, as Valiant Thor. What are you afraid of? making threats with another person's name? Be very careful with making threats.... you can be in trouble with the rule of this message board. If I were you, be very careful with what you write on here or the Adm. will sent you a warning of getting kick off for posting...TMB Rules: 1 No personal attacks, insults or threats. 2 Obscene and/or objectionable material will be deleted. 3 Nothing libelous. 4 Stick to the topic (closely related threads may be merged). 5 Strict privacy of personal details must be respected. This includes but is not limited to posting: email addresses, date of birth, addresses and phone numbers. Topics that don't relate to the "Truth" fellowship or posts that are off-topic may be removed. The admin/moderators have the right to edit, move or delete any post deemed inappropriate according to the rules of this board. The admin/moderators may, at their discretion, ban any member who continues to post against the 5 rules as above, or who is deemed to be causing or prolonging a disruption to the Truth Meetings Board. I was just being honest, I am known for that trait. You have posted my exalted IQ score several times. I was not insulting you but was stating the fact that unless you have an IQ in at least the 700 the range that, in comparison, you have a limited intellect. I have stuck to the topic that you have kept alive on this message board in numerous threads. No personal information has been released. As far as me visiting you, you said I can move from place to place in a molecular form and pass through walls without any problem. I thought you would have welcomed a visit where I could correct your thinking on some of the claims you might have made in error. So don't worry, I will not show up without an invitation. There are many other ways to make correction in misinformation. But here is the question: You claim I am not Valiant Thor. Can you produce a document from Val stating that? Or perhaps you do not believe I exist at all.
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Post by snow on Jun 16, 2014 12:21:38 GMT -5
Nathan, is it wise to test powerful angels from God?
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jun 16, 2014 12:38:31 GMT -5
I was just being honest, I am known for that trait. You have posted my exalted IQ score several times. I was not insulting you but was stating the fact that unless you have an IQ in at least the 700 the range that, in comparison, you have a limited intellect. I have stuck to the topic that you have kept alive on this message board in numerous threads. No personal information has been released. As far as me visiting you, you said I can move from place to place in a molecular form and pass through walls without any problem. I thought you would have welcomed a visit where I could correct your thinking on some of the claims you might have made in error. So don't worry, I will not show up without an invitation. There are many other ways to make correction in misinformation. But here is the question: You claim I am not Valiant Thor. Can you produce a document from Val stating that? Or perhaps you do not believe I exist at all. Ok, Valiant Thor you want to play game. Let me test you out What yr did you come and work for US Pentagon?The Pentagon is a building. No one works for it. That is a common human mistake. I started working directly with the Department of Defense following my meetings with the President in New Mexico. In your years that would have been 1954. I ran into a bumbling Frank Stranges in 1957 but there are times when he states it was 1959. His record keeping was so unconventional that I seriously doubt there is much truth in anything he publishes. But in an attempt to answer your question, I went to the Pentagon in 1957. It was all very secret and only a very few people knew were from Venus. Perhaps you understand, there are a lot of people out there who get carried away anytime someone mentions they are from Venus. This isn't a game Nathan. Just as the President summoned me to the New Mexico air force base telepathically, I am sending your messages telepathically that I trust will convince you and allow us to get to the real work that needs to be done. This project is an sub-section of the original Majestic 12 (or MJ-12) project and has been expanded by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) working jointly with a CIA/NSA like organization that I am not at liberty to mention. Remember, you can't believe everything you read about me.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jun 16, 2014 13:33:12 GMT -5
Nathan, is it wise to test powerful angels from God? I don't mind. It happens all the time.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jun 16, 2014 14:03:48 GMT -5
The Pentagon is NOT just a building there are many US arm force branches of high ranking US official men and women working there. They make most of the major mission operation around the world decision from the Pentagon. 1954 is false! you came here at certain time and you don't remember the year. One source/Phil Scheinder, who had met you in person said you starting along with his dad, Oscar Scheinder in 1940s. I have a picture to prove it that you were working with US scientists in 1940s and standing next to Oscar S.
Your fellow brother, Donn Thor also working with US Navy department on the "Philadelphia experiment" in 1942 in this picture Oscar Schenider, George H. Bush father, and others were in this meeting also.
How long have you been working for US gov't, Valiant Thor? Someone had told us how many years you had been working for US gov't. Can you tell us how many years? I want to compare your answer with this person source of information about you.You write and think like RAM, the guy who made up the story of William Irvine's Dorthy sister letter. He has disappeared from posting since when we brought up the subject which he denied it wasn't him who wrote letter at first. Then he finally confessed it was a joke! and felt sorry for all the hurt emotions which he had caused. Suddenly, the Fake Valiant Thor appeared. hmmmmmmmmmm..... having his fun again. I am not here to argue with you Nathan, but the Pentagon is a building. It houses the headquarters of the United States Department of Defense. The various agencies housed there do make most of the major decisions involving the US armed forces. I am more than a little disappointed with you Nathan. You asked when I first went to the Pentagon to work. I answered as honestly as I could. If you had asked when I first worked with any of the US armed forces the answer would have been different. You keep asking for dates and time in earth units. I remember them in my own units. For the record, I first arrived in 1938 and took two earth years to observe the situation to determine who should be supported. Many of the reports that are posted on the Internet and done by frauds. They will also sell you books and other material that continues spreading their lies. Your sources are incorrect. I would advise against using anything Phil Schneider has written as supporting evidence. It would be much more negative than positive.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jun 16, 2014 14:16:53 GMT -5
I don't mind. It happens all the time. So, Valiant Thor .... how many fingers do you have on your hands? 5 or 6 fingers?
Do you have a navel/belly button on your body?
Do you have any finger prints on your fingers?
How many lungs do you have?
You should able to answer these questions. The gov't did a lot of tests on you and they wrote it down... because people have seen you and you showed them these things to prove who you say you're.... These are questions to test you, if you are the REAL Valiant Thor. You should be to answer these questions without any problem as you claim that you are the REAL Valiant Thor.
You better be very careful with your answers, because Rational will jump in and go after you if you are lying! I have posted the answers on this TMB for two years so some of the readers know the answers... So, be truthful now.
Nathan, this latest post tells me that you have been reading many of the fraud sites. Why would I tele-port myself into a form that had 6 digits on each hand? The stated goal of the mission was not to stand out. I will answer the truth rather than what you have posted from sites with dubious credentials. Of course I have fingerprints and 2 lungs. I feel that the Creator made humans as He did for a reason and I see no reason to try to improve on His design.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 16, 2014 14:49:12 GMT -5
Of course I believe it, I wouldn't have wasted your time and my time if I didn't believe any of it. John the Baptist said Jesus came from above. Jesus said in John 14:1-3 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also." The disciples of Jesus SAW him ascending up into the sky in Acts 1:9-11 Now when He/Jesus had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
Before Stephen died he looked up into the sky and SAW Jesus standing in heaven Acts 7:54-60 When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth. But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
Then they cried out with a loud voice, stopped their ears, and ran at him with one accord; 58 and they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not charge them with this sin.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
Actually you didn't waste much of my time. When it comes to space ships and aliens I skip a lot of it. I am quite amazed that you find that alien spaceships, etc., have anything at all to do with Stephen's stoning and Moses. Nathan, neither do I waste much time reading your posts.
First of all, if I'm going to read Science Fiction, I'd rather read some really good authors like Asimov or Pohl, or Bradbury.
Second; your posts are so long !
Third; they are just conspiracy theories without any credible proof.
Fourth; I really don't like to critique your writing, but face it,-it is difficult to read from the standpoint of the way it is written!
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jun 16, 2014 14:54:34 GMT -5
Nathan, this latest post tells me that you have been reading many of the fraud sites. Why would I tele-port myself into a form that had 6 digits on each hand? The stated goal of the mission was not to stand out. I will answer the truth rather than what you have posted from sites with dubious credentials. Of course I have fingerprints and 2 lungs. I feel that the Creator made humans as He did for a reason and I see no reason to try to improve on His design. You are a big FRAUD, What a bunch of Baloney! You HAVE no finger prints! on your fingers. Don't you remember?? your fingers were smooth as the baby bottom and the REAL Valiant Thor has ONLY 1 big lung.... That is why the Real Valiant Thor is NOT a human being. With a smile on his face, Valiant Thor told Dr. Frank that he is NOT a normal human being when he appeared out of nowhere and sitting in the back seat of his/Frank's car as he/Valiant promised to see him exactly one year after he left the Pentagon in 1960. Valiant Thor could appear and disappear at will like Jesus after he resurrected from the dead as he appeared in the room with his disciples when the door was shut.Here is Dr. and Pastor Frank testimony! about Valiant Thor... NO finger prints! watch at 4:00 video..www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtiTf9bKHuM&list=PLBrbyw_QOsTtUV-Lnkslc4CylB-t79GQg&index=3Extracted from: "Stranger at the Pentagon" by Dr. Frank E. Stranges, Ph.D. 1967, Inner Light Publications, New Brunswick, NJ ISBN 0-938294-66-0 No FingerprintsThe only thing he said that troubled me was his use of the expression "when the time is right" in response to my question as to whether or not I would see him again. His lack of fingerprints intrigued me as I had been involved as a private investigator for quite some time, even working at times on loan to some of the Government agencies. I had learned the science of fingerprints ... with the impression of the lines and whorls on the inner surface of the last joint of each finger on the human hand. He told me that all Earth people were thusly marked since the fall of Adam in the Garden of Eden, during the very dawn of civilization as we know it today.He began to prepare me for the road which lie ahead. It would not be an easy one. There would be adversities, organized attempts to both discourage and discredit me, but the rewards have proved to outweigh these trials which continue even to this day. We discussed the merits of Jesus Christ ... how He gave His Life freely... so that men could enjoy the benefits of eternal life. I questioned him about a Bible on Venus and he assured me that a personal unbroken fellowship with the "Author" did not necessitate the printing of a "book". He found it amusing that many theologians attempt to discredit both Jesus Christ and The Bible. The very God many have said is "dead" continues to lavish them with all good things. Perhaps they will, in time, permit the spark of Divine Light to again illuminate their troubled hearts.In answer to my question of what he thought of Jesus Christ, he said, "I know that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega of yours and everyone else's faith. He today has assumed His rightful position as the ruler of the universe and is preparing a place and a time for all who are called by His Name to ascend far above the clouds to where His Power and Authority shall never again be disputed. "I believe that Jesus Christ is the wonder of wonders and changes not. No, not forever and forever." As he spoke these words, my own heart burned within me and tears filled my eyes. He turned to the window and said, "Frank, it will not be long. Contend for the faith, and you will never miss the mark." I asked him if there is life on other planets. His reply was, "There is life on many other planets of which people on Earth know nothing. There are more solar systems for which man has not even given God credit. There are many beings that have never transgressed the perfect laws of God. Man does not possess the right to condemn the whole of God's creation because he himself has broken the perfect laws of God through disobedience."I asked him what he would do if the military prevented him from leaving on the appointed day. He simply stated, "Frank, do you remember one day after Jesus arose from the dead, He had gone in search of several of His followers? They closed themselves in a locked room and suddenly they saw Jesus standing in the very midst of them?" He then smiled and looked at me as if to imply, "Need I say more?" As I turned to leave the room, he said simply "Please keep your faith and leave the same way that you came in. Continue to seek first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness and all other things will, in time, be added to you and yours. Good-bye for now and God bless you and keep you always." I left that meeting astounded, greatly encouraged, and yet with a heavy heart, not knowing what the future would hold. I began to wonder who would believe me if I ever told of this strange encounter with a man from another planet. I first considered not repeating this extraordinary story, but the more I thought about it, the more I prayed about it, the more I felt that it would bring a great blessing to those who would hear and read it. This interplanetary traveler possessed a wealth of knowledge, not only about science and God, but also about me. He stated that my book "Flying SAUCERAMA" could not have been written without Heavenly guidance. Val's instructions were to leave Washington, D.C., no later than March 16, 1960. That meant that there were less than three months during which he could confer with scientists, politicians, military men and the like. All miscannot go round and round sed his point entirely. They were all filled with self-ambition and cared little for the pressing needs of mankind. His efforts to bring about an end to the sickness and disease that plague this planet were met with pathetic refusal. He was told over and over that his presence and his ideas were a threat to the political and economic structure. Certain religious leaders were also fearful of losing a grip on the people in the event that his presence was admitted on an official level. It was very disheartening that the administration failed to lay hold of such information that would change the course of human activities for the good... because of economic reasons. Security regulations were very tight, but despite the fact that they knew he would come and go as he pleased, they delighted in playing their game. Val had vowed not to use force and so another course of action would be necessary if the information which he had to relate were to be disseminated. This is the reason why he contacted men of Godly character and strength around the world. Many are presently working in close contact with Val and other members of his crew. Nathan, Did you want me to answer the truth or did you want me to repeat what Frank wrote? They are not the same. Frank took my story and embellished and distorted it so he could sell books. He was never about the truth. It was always about money and power for Frank. I look at my fingers and see 5 on each hand with fingerprints. Why would I have tele-ported into a body without fingerprints? The goal is to not attract attention. I try my best to answer your questions but you need to be sure you ask the specific question you want to have me answer. I cannot go round and round on this silliness. You can see for yourself. Someone posted a photo that clearly shows 5 fingers per hand. You don't have to ask me about the obvious.
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Post by snow on Jun 16, 2014 15:36:19 GMT -5
Nathan, this latest post tells me that you have been reading many of the fraud sites. Why would I tele-port myself into a form that had 6 digits on each hand? The stated goal of the mission was not to stand out. I will answer the truth rather than what you have posted from sites with dubious credentials. Of course I have fingerprints and 2 lungs. I feel that the Creator made humans as He did for a reason and I see no reason to try to improve on His design. You are a big FRAUD, What a bunch of Baloney! You HAVE no finger prints! on your fingers. Don't you remember?? your fingers were smooth as the baby bottom and the REAL Valiant Thor has ONLY 1 big lung.... That is why the Real Valiant Thor is NOT a human being. With a smile on his face, Valiant Thor told Dr. Frank that he is NOT a normal human being when he appeared out of nowhere and sitting in the back seat of his/Frank's car as he/Valiant promised to see him exactly one year after he left the Pentagon in 1960. Valiant Thor could appear and disappear at will like Jesus after he resurrected from the dead as he appeared in the room with his disciples when the door was shut.Here is Dr. and Pastor Frank testimony! about Valiant Thor... NO finger prints! watch at 4:00 video..www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtiTf9bKHuM&list=PLBrbyw_QOsTtUV-Lnkslc4CylB-t79GQg&index=3Extracted from: "Stranger at the Pentagon" by Dr. Frank E. Stranges, Ph.D. 1967, Inner Light Publications, New Brunswick, NJ ISBN 0-938294-66-0 No FingerprintsThe only thing he said that troubled me was his use of the expression "when the time is right" in response to my question as to whether or not I would see him again. His lack of fingerprints intrigued me as I had been involved as a private investigator for quite some time, even working at times on loan to some of the Government agencies. I had learned the science of fingerprints ... with the impression of the lines and whorls on the inner surface of the last joint of each finger on the human hand. He told me that all Earth people were thusly marked since the fall of Adam in the Garden of Eden, during the very dawn of civilization as we know it today.He began to prepare me for the road which lie ahead. It would not be an easy one. There would be adversities, organized attempts to both discourage and discredit me, but the rewards have proved to outweigh these trials which continue even to this day. We discussed the merits of Jesus Christ ... how He gave His Life freely... so that men could enjoy the benefits of eternal life. I questioned him about a Bible on Venus and he assured me that a personal unbroken fellowship with the "Author" did not necessitate the printing of a "book". He found it amusing that many theologians attempt to discredit both Jesus Christ and The Bible. The very God many have said is "dead" continues to lavish them with all good things. Perhaps they will, in time, permit the spark of Divine Light to again illuminate their troubled hearts.In answer to my question of what he thought of Jesus Christ, he said, "I know that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega of yours and everyone else's faith. He today has assumed His rightful position as the ruler of the universe and is preparing a place and a time for all who are called by His Name to ascend far above the clouds to where His Power and Authority shall never again be disputed. "I believe that Jesus Christ is the wonder of wonders and changes not. No, not forever and forever." As he spoke these words, my own heart burned within me and tears filled my eyes. He turned to the window and said, "Frank, it will not be long. Contend for the faith, and you will never miss the mark." I asked him if there is life on other planets. His reply was, "There is life on many other planets of which people on Earth know nothing. There are more solar systems for which man has not even given God credit. There are many beings that have never transgressed the perfect laws of God. Man does not possess the right to condemn the whole of God's creation because he himself has broken the perfect laws of God through disobedience."I asked him what he would do if the military prevented him from leaving on the appointed day. He simply stated, "Frank, do you remember one day after Jesus arose from the dead, He had gone in search of several of His followers? They closed themselves in a locked room and suddenly they saw Jesus standing in the very midst of them?" He then smiled and looked at me as if to imply, "Need I say more?" As I turned to leave the room, he said simply "Please keep your faith and leave the same way that you came in. Continue to seek first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness and all other things will, in time, be added to you and yours. Good-bye for now and God bless you and keep you always." I left that meeting astounded, greatly encouraged, and yet with a heavy heart, not knowing what the future would hold. I began to wonder who would believe me if I ever told of this strange encounter with a man from another planet. I first considered not repeating this extraordinary story, but the more I thought about it, the more I prayed about it, the more I felt that it would bring a great blessing to those who would hear and read it. This interplanetary traveler possessed a wealth of knowledge, not only about science and God, but also about me. He stated that my book "Flying SAUCERAMA" could not have been written without Heavenly guidance. Val's instructions were to leave Washington, D.C., no later than March 16, 1960. That meant that there were less than three months during which he could confer with scientists, politicians, military men and the like. All missed his point entirely. They were all filled with self-ambition and cared little for the pressing needs of mankind. His efforts to bring about an end to the sickness and disease that plague this planet were met with pathetic refusal. He was told over and over that his presence and his ideas were a threat to the political and economic structure. Certain religious leaders were also fearful of losing a grip on the people in the event that his presence was admitted on an official level. It was very disheartening that the administration failed to lay hold of such information that would change the course of human activities for the good... because of economic reasons. Security regulations were very tight, but despite the fact that they knew he would come and go as he pleased, they delighted in playing their game. Val had vowed not to use force and so another course of action would be necessary if the information which he had to relate were to be disseminated. This is the reason why he contacted men of Godly character and strength around the world. Many are presently working in close contact with Val and other members of his crew. LOL the irony of this post is amazing. Nathan, the Valiant Thor that is posting here has every possible potential of existing as the one you have been saying exists. How would you recognize the truth really? After all you are just taking other people at their word and dismissing the word of the one who calls himself Valiant Thor here.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jun 16, 2014 21:30:19 GMT -5
1) VT wrote: Nathan, Did you want me to answer the truth or did you want me to repeat what Frank wrote? They are not the same. Frank took my story and embellished and distorted it so he could sell books. He was never about the truth. It was always about money and power for Frank. I look at my fingers and see 5 on each hand with fingerprints. Why would I have tele-ported into a body without fingerprints? The goal is to not attract attention. I try my best to answer your questions but you need to be sure you ask the specific question you want to have me answer. I cannot go round and round on this silliness. You can see for yourself. Someone posted a photo that clearly shows 5 fingers per hand. You don't have to ask me about the obvious. The REAL Valiant Thor is NOT a human being. It seems you are the normal human being wanabee... Valiant Thor on earth.
Frank, didn't just write book about it he went on the air/Radio interview and said publicly... You had NO finger prints! You don't remember how you and 3 members of your crew teleported to New Jersey at Howard's home at UFO conference from/through the Pentagon apartment in 1957? And you don't remember how you tele-ported in the back seat of Frank's car in 1961 with your clothes and no finger prints intact? Frank, didn't see you were naked when you tele-ported in the back seat of his car. ~~ Valiant Thor promised he would see Dr. Stranges again.... Exactly a year later after Valiant left the Pentagon in 3/1960..... Valiant appeared out of thin air and sat in the back seat of Dr. Frank while he was driving the car, scare the heck out of him!.... "Hello, Frank!" (time 32:10). Commander Thor, met Frank's parents in person at their own home (time 59:33) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny-JxJtVzhsNathan, Of course I am not a human being. I just assume that form at will. Why would I add an extra finger to my human hands? Why wouldn't I leave the fingerprints? Rearranging lungs? That is the kind of talk I expect to hear from the frauds. Frank said I appeared in his car. I never did. And I had much more important things to do than visit his parents. You should not talk about Howard Menger. He is the worse fraud of all. He invited me to visit and it turned out he was selling 'sightings' of aliens to people for large amounts of money. Completely fraud. And his writings are lies. If you look at the photos of me from his place you will see by the look on my face that I was horrified to be included in that crowd and am looking for a way out.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jun 16, 2014 21:34:29 GMT -5
You are a big FRAUD, What a bunch of Baloney! You HAVE no finger prints! on your fingers. Don't you remember?? your fingers were smooth as the baby bottom and the REAL Valiant Thor has ONLY 1 big lung.... That is why the Real Valiant Thor is NOT a human being. With a smile on his face, Valiant Thor told Dr. Frank that he is NOT a normal human being when he appeared out of nowhere and sitting in the back seat of his/Frank's car as he/Valiant promised to see him exactly one year after he left the Pentagon in 1960. Valiant Thor could appear and disappear at will like Jesus after he resurrected from the dead as he appeared in the room with his disciples when the door was shut.Here is Dr. and Pastor Frank testimony! about Valiant Thor... NO finger prints! watch at 4:00 video..www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtiTf9bKHuM&list=PLBrbyw_QOsTtUV-Lnkslc4CylB-t79GQg&index=3Extracted from: "Stranger at the Pentagon" by Dr. Frank E. Stranges, Ph.D. 1967, Inner Light Publications, New Brunswick, NJ ISBN 0-938294-66-0 No FingerprintsThe only thing he said that troubled me was his use of the expression "when the time is right" in response to my question as to whether or not I would see him again. His lack of fingerprints intrigued me as I had been involved as a private investigator for quite some time, even working at times on loan to some of the Government agencies. I had learned the science of fingerprints ... with the impression of the lines and whorls on the inner surface of the last joint of each finger on the human hand. He told me that all Earth people were thusly marked since the fall of Adam in the Garden of Eden, during the very dawn of civilization as we know it today.He began to prepare me for the road which lie ahead. It would not be an easy one. There would be adversities, organized attempts to both discourage and discredit me, but the rewards have proved to outweigh these trials which continue even to this day. We discussed the merits of Jesus Christ ... how He gave His Life freely... so that men could enjoy the benefits of eternal life. I questioned him about a Bible on Venus and he assured me that a personal unbroken fellowship with the "Author" did not necessitate the printing of a "book". He found it amusing that many theologians attempt to discredit both Jesus Christ and The Bible. The very God many have said is "dead" continues to lavish them with all good things. Perhaps they will, in time, permit the spark of Divine Light to again illuminate their troubled hearts.In answer to my question of what he thought of Jesus Christ, he said, "I know that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega of yours and everyone else's faith. He today has assumed His rightful position as the ruler of the universe and is preparing a place and a time for all who are called by His Name to ascend far above the clouds to where His Power and Authority shall never again be disputed. "I believe that Jesus Christ is the wonder of wonders and changes not. No, not forever and forever." As he spoke these words, my own heart burned within me and tears filled my eyes. He turned to the window and said, "Frank, it will not be long. Contend for the faith, and you will never miss the mark." I asked him if there is life on other planets. His reply was, "There is life on many other planets of which people on Earth know nothing. There are more solar systems for which man has not even given God credit. There are many beings that have never transgressed the perfect laws of God. Man does not possess the right to condemn the whole of God's creation because he himself has broken the perfect laws of God through disobedience."I asked him what he would do if the military prevented him from leaving on the appointed day. He simply stated, "Frank, do you remember one day after Jesus arose from the dead, He had gone in search of several of His followers? They closed themselves in a locked room and suddenly they saw Jesus standing in the very midst of them?" He then smiled and looked at me as if to imply, "Need I say more?" As I turned to leave the room, he said simply "Please keep your faith and leave the same way that you came in. Continue to seek first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness and all other things will, in time, be added to you and yours. Good-bye for now and God bless you and keep you always." I left that meeting astounded, greatly encouraged, and yet with a heavy heart, not knowing what the future would hold. I began to wonder who would believe me if I ever told of this strange encounter with a man from another planet. I first considered not repeating this extraordinary story, but the more I thought about it, the more I prayed about it, the more I felt that it would bring a great blessing to those who would hear and read it. This interplanetary traveler possessed a wealth of knowledge, not only about science and God, but also about me. He stated that my book "Flying SAUCERAMA" could not have been written without Heavenly guidance. Val's instructions were to leave Washington, D.C., no later than March 16, 1960. That meant that there were less than three months during which he could confer with scientists, politicians, military men and the like. All missed his point entirely. They were all filled with self-ambition and cared little for the pressing needs of mankind. His efforts to bring about an end to the sickness and disease that plague this planet were met with pathetic refusal. He was told over and over that his presence and his ideas were a threat to the political and economic structure. Certain religious leaders were also fearful of losing a grip on the people in the event that his presence was admitted on an official level. It was very disheartening that the administration failed to lay hold of such information that would change the course of human activities for the good... because of economic reasons. Security regulations were very tight, but despite the fact that they knew he would come and go as he pleased, they delighted in playing their game. Val had vowed not to use force and so another course of action would be necessary if the information which he had to relate were to be disseminated. This is the reason why he contacted men of Godly character and strength around the world. Many are presently working in close contact with Val and other members of his crew. LOL the irony of this post is amazing. Nathan, the Valiant Thor that is posting here has every possible potential of existing as the one you have been saying exists. How would you recognize the truth really? After all you are just taking other people at their word and dismissing the word of the one who calls himself Valiant Thor here. This is such an astute observation. It is worthy of my comrades back on Venus.
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Post by snow on Jun 16, 2014 23:24:12 GMT -5
LOL the irony of this post is amazing. Nathan, the Valiant Thor that is posting here has every possible potential of existing as the one you have been saying exists. How would you recognize the truth really? After all you are just taking other people at their word and dismissing the word of the one who calls himself Valiant Thor here. This is such an astute observation. It is worthy of my comrades back on Venus. lol, well I am a woman.....
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jun 17, 2014 16:46:42 GMT -5
Nathan, Of course I am not a human being. I just assume that form at will. Why would I add an extra finger to my human hands? Why wouldn't I leave the fingerprints? Rearranging lungs? That is the kind of talk I expect to hear from the frauds. Frank said I appeared in his car. I never did. And I had much more important things to do than visit his parents. You should not talk about Howard Menger. He is the worse fraud of all. He invited me to visit and it turned out he was selling 'sightings' of aliens to people for large amounts of money. Completely fraud. And his writings are lies. If you look at the photos of me from his place you will see by the look on my face that I was horrified to be included in that crowd and am looking for a way out. By the way, Howard Menger did NOT invite Valiant Thor and 3 of his friends to his home for the UFO conference in New Jersey 1957. Valiant Thor appeared with 3 friends of his friends uninvited. Howard M. didn't know they were. Valiant T. was there for one purpose, so that an Air Force Photographer by the name August C. Roberts, a friend of Dr. Frank, who snapped several pictures of Valiant Thor, thinking he was doing so without Val's knowledge. Yet, it was those very photographs which were to bring Dr. Frank together with Valiant Thor on that cold December, 1959 day at the Pentagon. Dr./Pastor Frank Stranges and many of his friends became one of Valiant Thor's messengers on the earth. So, Valiant Thor, do you have a family? a wife and kids?Nathan, No, Howard did not specifically invite me to his gathering but I went on the hope that he was an honest being and not someone who defrauded people by pretending to show them alien beings. It was called a "UFO Conference" but it was more like a carnival side show to relieve gullible people from their valuables by promising to show them aliens. For the most part, the "aliens" were his relatives and partners in the fraud seen in poor lighting. I still had a lot to learn about humans. Taking a photograph of the particular human I had transformed into made little difference to me. Were it to become a problem I could easily change the appearance. As far as the photographs bringing me together with Stranges, nothing could be further from the truth. If the goal of Roberts, a professional photographer (according to you), was to get a photograph of my appearance, he did a very poor job. Looking at the published photographs there is ample evidence that some of them were "doctored". Following the "UFO Conference" in New Jersey, Stranges inserted himself into the strangest situations but most are products of his vivid imagination. I am still amused by the 'one lung' story! What would be the point? As far as the terms 'family, 'wife' or 'children', you are using earthly terms to describe something far different.
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Post by rational on Jun 17, 2014 17:00:38 GMT -5
I can't believe you are going on with this. Thor is a figment of some people's imagination. Several people who post here, including me, have pointed out many sound reasons why Thor cannot possibly exist as you believe and as the WWW sites claim. On the other hand, there is as much evidence supporting the idea that Thor is posting here as there is supporting that what Frank S. wrote is true. Nathan, Of course I am not a human being. I just assume that form at will. Why would I add an extra finger to my human hands? Why wouldn't I leave the fingerprints? Rearranging lungs? That is the kind of talk I expect to hear from the frauds. Frank said I appeared in his car. I never did. And I had much more important things to do than visit his parents. You should not talk about Howard Menger. He is the worse fraud of all. He invited me to visit and it turned out he was selling 'sightings' of aliens to people for large amounts of money. Completely fraud. And his writings are lies. If you look at the photos of me from his place you will see by the look on my face that I was horrified to be included in that crowd and am looking for a way out. By the way, Howard Menger did NOT invite Valiant Thor and 3 of his friends to his home for the UFO conference in New Jersey 1957. Valiant Thor appeared with 3 friends of his friends uninvited. Howard M. didn't know they were. Valiant T. was there for one purpose, so that an Air Force Photographer by the name August C. Roberts, a friend of Dr. Frank, who snapped several pictures of Valiant Thor, thinking he was doing so without Val's knowledge. Yet, it was those very photographs which were to bring Dr. Frank together with Valiant Thor on that cold December, 1959 day at the Pentagon. Dr./Pastor Frank Stranges and many of his friends became one of Valiant Thor's messengers on the earth. So, Valiant Thor, do you have a family? a wife and kids?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 18, 2014 2:22:19 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 18, 2014 3:40:40 GMT -5
I reckon my you tube link makes more sense than your post....just saying.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jun 18, 2014 10:37:08 GMT -5
Nathan, No, Howard did not specifically invite me to his gathering but I went on the hope that he was an honest being and not someone who defrauded people by pretending to show them alien beings. It was called a "UFO Conference" but it was more like a carnival side show to relieve gullible people from their valuables by promising to show them aliens. For the most part, the "aliens" were his relatives and partners in the fraud seen in poor lighting. I still had a lot to learn about humans. Taking a photograph of the particular human I had transformed into made little difference to me. Were it to become a problem I could easily change the appearance. As far as the photographs bringing me together with Stranges, nothing could be further from the truth. If the goal of Roberts, a professional photographer (according to you), was to get a photograph of my appearance, he did a very poor job. Looking at the published photographs there is ample evidence that some of them were "doctored". Following the "UFO Conference" in New Jersey, Stranges inserted himself into the strangest situations but most are products of his vivid imagination. I am still amused by the 'one lung' story! What would be the point? As far as the terms 'family, 'wife' or 'children', you are using earthly terms to describe something far different. You introduced your wife and child to someone at certain place. You told them theirs names to this person. Thor, Do you know/remember the name of your wife and child? Can you tell us their names.Nathan, You have been reading far too much from that good natured but bumbling fool, Frank! And one more thing, I initially used the name Valiant because that is what you had come to call me. I have always hated that name and feel it was a joke played by someone to expand my real name, Val, to Valiant. I have made the correction and will continue to use my rank and given name. It is true that I did have companions when I was at the Pentagon but, as I expect you will not be able to understand, they selected their human bodies so we would appear to be a 'normal' earthly family - a husband, wife (who selected the name Valana Terese), and two (not one Nathan) children. I can see how it would be easy to confuse these companions as my "family' but, as I said, this is an earthly construct and would be difficult to map to our normal situation. I feel the need to caution you once again, Nathan, that the writings of Stranges and Schneider are done for their own profit and they write whatever they feel will sell the most books,recordings,videos. They are frequently far from the truth. By the way, did you ever find out how that funny one-lung story got started? Did someone sneak an x-ray when I wasn't looking?
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jun 18, 2014 10:39:33 GMT -5
I reckon my you tube link makes more sense than your post....just saying. Your astute observation makes me wonder if perhaps you too are a fellow Venusian visiting earth.
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Post by snow on Jun 18, 2014 13:08:35 GMT -5
Nathan, You have been reading far too much from that good natured but bumbling fool, Frank! And one more thing, I initially used the name Valiant because that is what you had come to call me. I have always hated that name and feel it was a joke played by someone to expand my real name, Val, to Valiant. I have made the correction and will continue to use my rank and given name. It is true that I did have companions when I was at the Pentagon but, as I expect you will not be able to understand, they selected their human bodies so we would appear to be a 'normal' earthly family - a husband, wife (who selected the name Valana Terese), and two (not one Nathan) children. I can see how it would be easy to confuse these companions as my "family' but, as I said, this is an earthly construct and would be difficult to map to our normal situation. I feel the need to caution you once again, Nathan, that the writings of Stranges and Schneider are done for their own profit and they write whatever they feel will sell the most books,recordings,videos. They are frequently far from the truth. By the way, did you ever find out how that funny one-lung story got started? Did someone sneak an x-ray when I wasn't looking? 1) Your name is Valiant Thor. Val is short for Valiant. This is the name you TELL the people whom you met. A Holy Stranger in the Pentagonal LodgeExtracted from: "Stranger at the Pentagon" by Dr. Frank E. Stranges, Ph.D. 1967, Inner Light Publications, New Brunswick, NJ ISBN 0-938294-66-0 The First Meeting in March 16, 1957March 16, 1957, in Alexandria, Virginia, one of the finest leaders of the planet Venus, operating under the direction of the Central Control and who had been chosen to make the contact as well as direct the project, landed his craft and was met by two police officers, weapons drawn. A thought transference quickly convinced them that he meant no harm and he was ushered into the back seat of their patrol car. After crossing over into Washington, D.C., they were met by the Secretary of Defense along with six of his staff members. Soon police from every conceivable district and agency had joined in, all trying to claim their right to escort him to President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Through his own version of the power of positive thinking, he was able to dismiss them all and soon passed through the security posts followed by an Air Force Captain. Meanwhile, his presence in the area had thrown everyone into a dilemma. The introduction he held from the High Council worried them because, though not written in any Earthly language, their minds were given power to properly translate the inscribed message. Captain Gould (not his real name) asked him to remain and after downing two plain bourbons muttered... "My god, why couldn't this have happened on my day off ?" Suddenly the door opened and six armed guards led Val to what appeared to be an elevator. It went rapidly to the bottom-most level. Maximum security was in place. After transferring to an underground train, they sped toward the White House. Six officials, six armed guards and three secret service men escorted him into the office of President Eisenhower. From behind the desk the President rose while the secret service men remained nervous and uneasy. As he extended his hand to shake that of the President, the secret service men drew their revolvers and pointed them at Val. Following the nod of the President, they reluctantly lowered their guns. Standing in front of his desk, the President said, "Of course, you know we have suspended all rules of protocol. I have a good feeling toward you. Please, sir, what is your name?" "And where do you come from?" "I come from the planet your Bible calls the morning and the evening star." "Venus?" "Yes, sir." "Can you prove this," he (Eisenhower) asked. "What do you constitute as proof?" He quickly retorted, "I don't know." "Will you come with me to my ship?"He (Eisenhower) answered with a quizzical look and said, "My friend, I cannot come and go as I please. There are others to be considered. There are committees to be consulted and security measures to be adhered to. Please spend some time with us here... Let's get better acquainted... learn more about one another... and perhaps soon, real soon, well... we shall see." Vice president Richard NixonAt that moment, another gentleman rushed into the room. It turned out to be Vice President Richard Nixon. He appeared to Val to be very sharp, quick-witted, with fixed eyes and an amazing aptitude toward speed and proficiency. "My name is Valiant," he said as the Vice President thrust his hand without hesitation. "You have certainly caused a stir ...for an out of towner." The Vice President smiled as he continued, "Of course, we are not totally convinced of anything just yet. But suffice it to say we are checking and double checking everything you say and do. When Sergeant Young from Alexandria radioed in and stated that you had just landed in a flying saucer, we thought," he continued, "Sergeant Young had flipped. Say, were you in on that UFO flap over Washington? You certainly had us all in a dither, if you were." After assuring them that this planet had been under close scrutiny for hundreds of years before the 1945 bomb blast and with his special letter still in the slightly quivering hand of the President, he was requested to follow the Secret Service back the way they had come ... to the Pentagon and into a beautifully furnished apartment where he would spend the next three years. Fortunately, he was prepared for such a lengthy visit and kept in constant communication with the Starship. There were many occasions during which he teleported himself in and out of those quarters often exercising "transimagery" to cause the security guards to visualize his face on a nonexistent badge. 2) You claim to be the REAL Valiant Thor but you don't even know you have a wife and ONE daughter in the early 1960.. Let me tell you, your wife name is Dena. Your daughter name is Valdena.~~ Valiant Thor promised he would see Dr. Stranges again.... Exactly a year later after Valiant left the Pentagon in 3/1960..... Valiant appeared out of thin air and sat in the back seat of Dr. Frank while he was driving the car, scare the heck out of him!.... "Hello, Frank!" (time 32:10). Valiant wife name is Dena. His daughter name is ValDena, his brother Donn and Teel on Victor One (36:20) Commander Thor, met Frank's parents in person at their own home (time 59:33) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny-JxJtVzhs3) During your 3 yrs staying at the Pentagon apartment the US gov't did a lot of tests on you. They know what is the size of your brain, how many lungs you have, what kind of blood, how many fingers and toes, your IQ. You Valiant told them how many humans and aliens languages you speak (over 100s). They even tested your space suit garment and found out the material is NOT made of this earth planet. Some of the integrators kicked you, hit you in the face because they didn't believe the REAL Valiant was for real. You told them if they were to touch you one more time it will be their last day on the earth.
Commander Valiant Thor TMB, you are a fraud. You should have READ and STUDY about the REAL Valiant Thor profile before you claim to be him.
Nathan, don't you think Valiant Thor would know more about himself than you would, getting second hand info? Interesting that you would believe you tube videos and second hand information over the words straight from the mouth! Now I would ask you, what makes you think it isn't Valiant Thor? Now use the same skepticism about all you've read and you're on your way to understanding something really important.
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