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Post by uker260702 on Jul 16, 2014 17:32:28 GMT -5
Have you been able to get up some? Unfortunately not, I live down under and have never travelled to Scotland. However once I retire I'm planning on visiting family there and might manage to get up some of the easier ones. Hope that works out for you. Some magnificent views up in Scotland. Would have to be Very easy ones for me!
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Post by uker260702 on Jul 16, 2014 17:37:25 GMT -5
Unfortunately not, I live down under and have never travelled to Scotland. However once I retire I'm planning on visiting family there and might manage to get up some of the easier ones. Mat I ask what on earth you are talking about? Just these Bob. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munro. Not sure there`s actually one called Marilon though
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 16, 2014 17:37:45 GMT -5
We are talking about Munroes in Scotland. Some are real easy to get up, some are a bit tough, the tough ones, have multiple routes.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 16, 2014 17:39:35 GMT -5
Mat I ask what on earth you are talking about? Just these Bob. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munro. Not sure there`s actually one called Marilon though Oh uker, did you have to let the cat out of the bag?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 16, 2014 17:41:25 GMT -5
I'm wondering whether William Irvine on his trip to Scotland was ever seduced by the beauty of the hills and vales of the lovely Munroes.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 16, 2014 17:58:11 GMT -5
Unfortunately not, I live down under and have never travelled to Scotland. However once I retire I'm planning on visiting family there and might manage to get up some of the easier ones. Hope that works out for you. Some magnificent views up in Scotland. Would have to be Very easy ones for me! Now we know that the word Munro is really mountains, I feel so much better! Perhaps it wasn't a misspelling of the word "Monroe" after all!
MunroA Munro is a mountain in Scotland with a height over 3,000 ft. Munros are named after Sir Hugh Munro, 4th Baronet, who produced the first list of such hills, known as Munros Tables.
There are indeed Some magnificent views in Scotland, but my hill climbing days are over.
I preferred to visit the castles, churches & cairns.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 16, 2014 19:43:49 GMT -5
Mat I ask what on earth you are talking about? Just these Bob. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munro. Not sure there`s actually one called Marilon though How interesting. Thank you.
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Post by xna on Jul 16, 2014 21:25:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 22:21:23 GMT -5
you know the Bible as well as i do and you know that the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles is against violence of every kind, so those who say they are are not many millions of groups through-out history have kept doing so i can't name one going by what i'm telling you come to the same old thing again, those who perpetrate any violence of any kind against another is not a follower of Jesus Christ, simple. This is a logical fallacy that is used over and over. Someone who goes to church every day, considered themselves to be a Christian, and is considered to be a christian bu everyone that knows them commits homicide. Suddenly they are no longer considered a christian because Christians do not kill. Known as the No true Scotsman fallacy. You apply a new definition. You could just as easily state that no true christian ever lies and almost wipe out christianity with a single sentence. God hates liars so those who tell lies is not a follower of the Christ
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 22:22:54 GMT -5
Virgo, the flaw that I see is in your belief that all those who do not worship the Christian God are not saved and do not love God so would not be guided by God. There are plenty of people out there that believe in God, feel guided by that God, but don't agree that your Christian God is relevant. You believe it, but you can't prove it even exists. You really don't have a clue what happens when one dies. You take what the bible says on faith, but the bible isn't really all that clear about what heaven is really like. Also, heaven isn't even a destination really for the Jews which is what Christianity is based on in the first place. So you have different versions of what happens in the afterlife within the bible itself. We cannot be at all sure about anything religious. We can make ourselves be sure by faith, but reasonably and logically we have to know that we really 'don't know'. the five foolish also believed in God
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Post by snow on Jul 16, 2014 22:45:29 GMT -5
Virgo, the flaw that I see is in your belief that all those who do not worship the Christian God are not saved and do not love God so would not be guided by God. There are plenty of people out there that believe in God, feel guided by that God, but don't agree that your Christian God is relevant. You believe it, but you can't prove it even exists. You really don't have a clue what happens when one dies. You take what the bible says on faith, but the bible isn't really all that clear about what heaven is really like. Also, heaven isn't even a destination really for the Jews which is what Christianity is based on in the first place. So you have different versions of what happens in the afterlife within the bible itself. We cannot be at all sure about anything religious. We can make ourselves be sure by faith, but reasonably and logically we have to know that we really 'don't know'. the five foolish also believed in God And your point is? How does this respond to what I posted? You can't possibly believe that someone who believes differently from you is foolish, or can you? When you consider the amount of different religions there are, most of them much older than Christianity, why do you think your version of God is the only right one? This is something that continues to elude me. I don't have any problem with you having the beliefs you do in your God, I just can't understand how you can be so sure you have the right one when there are so many that are much older?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 4:20:49 GMT -5
the five foolish also believed in God And your point is? How does this respond to what I posted? You can't possibly believe that someone who believes differently from you is foolish, or can you? When you consider the amount of different religions there are, most of them much older than Christianity, why do you think your version of God is the only right one? This is something that continues to elude me. I don't have any problem with you having the beliefs you do in your God, I just can't understand how you can be so sure you have the right one when there are so many that are much older?
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Post by Gene on Jul 17, 2014 5:52:10 GMT -5
This is a logical fallacy that is used over and over. Someone who goes to church every day, considered themselves to be a Christian, and is considered to be a christian bu everyone that knows them commits homicide. Suddenly they are no longer considered a christian because Christians do not kill. Known as the No true Scotsman fallacy. You apply a new definition. You could just as easily state that no true christian ever lies and almost wipe out christianity with a single sentence. God hates liars so those who tell lies is not a follower of the Christ Now we're getting somewhere! Tell us, Virgo, have you ever told a lie? Will you never tell a lie in the future? Not even a little one, like "yes, dear, that dress looks nice on you" or "thank you so much, we had a lovely time"?
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Post by Annan on Jul 17, 2014 7:04:03 GMT -5
God hates liars so those who tell lies is not a follower of the Christ Now we're getting somewhere! Tell us, Virgo, have you ever told a lie? Will you never tell a lie in the future? Not even a little one, like "yes, dear, that dress looks nice on you" or "thank you so much, we had a lovely time"? This made me laugh. We went to a BBQ a week ago and my daughter's boyfriend brought fish and grilled it. He later asked everyone how they liked it. I was the only one that said I didn't like it. Everyone looked at me like I had committed a big faux pas. Was I expected to lie? Should I have lied? I never know what people want from me. But then I am not a follower of Christ. Does that give me a free pass?
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Post by snow on Jul 17, 2014 9:43:39 GMT -5
And your point is? How does this respond to what I posted? You can't possibly believe that someone who believes differently from you is foolish, or can you? When you consider the amount of different religions there are, most of them much older than Christianity, why do you think your version of God is the only right one? This is something that continues to elude me. I don't have any problem with you having the beliefs you do in your God, I just can't understand how you can be so sure you have the right one when there are so many that are much older? ah ha, ok, now I get what you're trying to say. But I guess that answers my question about what you feel about those who believe in the wrong God. At least you're honest.
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Post by uker260702 on Jul 17, 2014 14:46:06 GMT -5
Oh uker, did you have to let the cat out of the bag? Sorry Curly, Bob asked so politely, I couldn't refuse
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Post by uker260702 on Jul 17, 2014 14:50:02 GMT -5
Hope that works out for you. Some magnificent views up in Scotland. Would have to be Very easy ones for me! Now we know that the word Munro is really mountains, I feel so much better! Perhaps it wasn't a misspelling of the word "Monroe" after all!
MunroA Munro is a mountain in Scotland with a height over 3,000 ft. Munros are named after Sir Hugh Munro, 4th Baronet, who produced the first list of such hills, known as Munros Tables.
There are indeed Some magnificent views in Scotland, but my hill climbing days are over.
I preferred to visit the castles, churches & cairns.
This guy has some great photos of Scotland if they`re of interest to anyone. www.stevecarter.com/Also has an interesting write up of the house he built there www.stevecarter.com/build/build.htm
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Post by xna on Jul 17, 2014 18:24:17 GMT -5
In the USA. per·se·cu·tion, noun, hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs. youtu.be/6m1NfhZ8Uc0
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Post by snow on Jul 17, 2014 19:07:15 GMT -5
In the USA. per·se·cu·tion, noun, hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs. youtu.be/6m1NfhZ8Uc0I would have to agree that many people do hate atheists. Even here on TMB we have been told we are nothings and other derogatory names.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 17, 2014 19:21:48 GMT -5
God hates liars so those who tell lies is not a follower of the Christ Now we're getting somewhere! Tell us, Virgo, have you ever told a lie? Will you never tell a lie in the future? Not even a little one, like "yes, dear, that dress looks nice on you" or "thank you so much, we had a lovely time"? He will if he knows what's good for him.
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Post by Scott Ross on Jul 17, 2014 19:22:41 GMT -5
In the USA. per·se·cu·tion, noun, hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs. youtu.be/6m1NfhZ8Uc0I would have to agree that many people do hate atheists. Even here on TMB we have been told we are nothings and other derogatory names. I thought you were agnostic.....
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 17, 2014 19:23:26 GMT -5
Now we're getting somewhere! Tell us, Virgo, have you ever told a lie? Will you never tell a lie in the future? Not even a little one, like "yes, dear, that dress looks nice on you" or "thank you so much, we had a lovely time"? This made me laugh. We went to a BBQ a week ago and my daughter's boyfriend brought fish and grilled it. He later asked everyone how they liked it. I was the only one that said I didn't like it. Everyone looked at me like I had committed a big faux pas. Was I expected to lie? Should I have lied? I never know what people want from me. But then I am not a follower of Christ. Does that give me a free pass? This would make a good parable for people to unravel, wouldn't it?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 17, 2014 19:24:52 GMT -5
Oh uker, did you have to let the cat out of the bag? Sorry Curly, Bob asked so politely, I couldn't refuse I won't ever tell. But I may use it some time to make someone think I'm talking nuts !!!
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Post by snow on Jul 17, 2014 19:47:20 GMT -5
I would have to agree that many people do hate atheists. Even here on TMB we have been told we are nothings and other derogatory names. I thought you were agnostic..... Yes, I would class myself as more agnostic than atheist. That's because I still have questions about there being a possible continuation of life after death. As far as the numerous Gods and how they are depicted, I don't believe in them at all. So I guess in that aspect I am an atheist. Rational says I'm not an atheist and technically he is right. However, when it comes to the religions of the world and their various Gods, I would say I do not believe any of them exist. So I say I'm agnostic, because I still have questions and just don't know about whether life continues or not. I suppose that makes me more 'confused' in that sense. Let me know if I've just confused you even more lol....
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Post by Scott Ross on Jul 17, 2014 20:09:40 GMT -5
I thought you were agnostic..... Yes, I would class myself as more agnostic than atheist. That's because I still have questions about there being a possible continuation of life after death. As far as the numerous Gods and how they are depicted, I don't believe in them at all. So I guess in that aspect I am an atheist. Rational says I'm not an atheist and technically he is right. However, when it comes to the religions of the world and their various Gods, I would say I do not believe any of them exist. So I say I'm agnostic, because I still have questions and just don't know about whether life continues or not. I suppose that makes me more 'confused' in that sense. Let me know if I've just confused you even more lol.... No questions at the moment, and it doesn't confuse me. I have watched your journey with interest as you work things out.....
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Post by snow on Jul 17, 2014 20:13:00 GMT -5
Yes, I would class myself as more agnostic than atheist. That's because I still have questions about there being a possible continuation of life after death. As far as the numerous Gods and how they are depicted, I don't believe in them at all. So I guess in that aspect I am an atheist. Rational says I'm not an atheist and technically he is right. However, when it comes to the religions of the world and their various Gods, I would say I do not believe any of them exist. So I say I'm agnostic, because I still have questions and just don't know about whether life continues or not. I suppose that makes me more 'confused' in that sense. Let me know if I've just confused you even more lol.... No questions at the moment, and it doesn't confuse me. I have watched your journey with interest as you work things out..... I'm definitely on one. Who knows where I'll end up.
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Post by xna on Jul 17, 2014 20:35:11 GMT -5
I thought you were agnostic..... Yes, I would class myself as more agnostic than atheist. That's because I still have questions about there being a possible continuation of life after death. As far as the numerous Gods and how they are depicted, I don't believe in them at all. So I guess in that aspect I am an atheist. Rational says I'm not an atheist and technically he is right. However, when it comes to the religions of the world and their various Gods, I would say I do not believe any of them exist. So I say I'm agnostic, because I still have questions and just don't know about whether life continues or not. I suppose that makes me more 'confused' in that sense. Let me know if I've just confused you even more lol.... On the Dawkins scale I am at #6. I think the best odds of life after death is the multiverse. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiversewww.space.com/18811-multiple-universes-5-theories.htmlAttachments:
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Post by snow on Jul 17, 2014 21:08:22 GMT -5
Yes, I would class myself as more agnostic than atheist. That's because I still have questions about there being a possible continuation of life after death. As far as the numerous Gods and how they are depicted, I don't believe in them at all. So I guess in that aspect I am an atheist. Rational says I'm not an atheist and technically he is right. However, when it comes to the religions of the world and their various Gods, I would say I do not believe any of them exist. So I say I'm agnostic, because I still have questions and just don't know about whether life continues or not. I suppose that makes me more 'confused' in that sense. Let me know if I've just confused you even more lol.... On the Dawkins scale I am at #6. I think the best odds of life after death is the multiverse. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiversewww.space.com/18811-multiple-universes-5-theories.htmlI'd rank a #6 too. multiple universes. That's interesting. I'll give them a read. edit. Okay I've been giving the first one a read. I'm interested in your thoughts about how life would continue in a multiverse. Do you mean that 'we' would continue or just life in general continues on different levels?
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