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Post by CherieKropp on Feb 26, 2018 18:18:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 23:38:43 GMT -5
The only reason the 2x2's are a registered charity is to obtain tax concessions. They have never ever been a charity in the true sense, only to themselves. This registration entitles them to,
GST Concession. ( Goods and Services Tax 10% in Australia) FBT Rebate. (Fringe Benefits Tax. (Tax on perks like cars, phones, etc.) Income Tax Exemption. ( Income is Tax free.)
It is ironical that they dodge tax, yet Workers retire and draw the pension.
Mind you if they run a chook raffle, they don't have to hand in 10% of the proceeds, because of the GST Concession.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 23:49:20 GMT -5
Sounds like a bit of a chook raffle.
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Post by Bigbiddy on Mar 2, 2018 18:44:52 GMT -5
The only reason the 2x2's are a registered charity is to obtain tax concessions. They have never ever been a charity in the true sense, only to themselves. This registration entitles them to, GST Concession. ( Goods and Services Tax 10% in Australia) FBT Rebate. (Fringe Benefits Tax. (Tax on perks like cars, phones, etc.) Income Tax Exemption. ( Income is Tax free.) It is ironical that they dodge tax, yet Workers retire and draw the pension. Mind you if they run a chook raffle, they don't have to hand in 10% of the proceeds, because of the GST Concession. You sure of your facts(?) red back. I believe you are very wrong in respect to your so called concessions. And ....they are not registered for GST
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 19:23:03 GMT -5
Bigbiddy, with respect I would suggest you take a look at their ABN registration. You will find,
Charity tax concession status help CHRISTIAN CONVENTIONS OF VICTORIA is a Charity endorsed to access the following tax concessions: Tax concession From GST Concession 01 Jul 2005 FBT Rebate 01 Jul 2005 Income Tax Exemption 01 Jul 2000
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Post by Bigbiddy on Mar 2, 2018 20:13:08 GMT -5
I am not looking for a battle but they are not and never have been registered for GST so the only benefit from gst is that they would not have to charge GST under their not for profit status. They pay GST which is not refundable
I will defer to more learned persons who have greater knowledge than myself.
My understanding is that to open a bank account you need certain documentation and the necessity to provide a tax file number or tax exemption status to, in the first place to open the account, and also to avoid the ATO requiring 49.5% of any interest earned on the account
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 20:20:11 GMT -5
Thank you Bigbiddy, you have a great day.
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Post by Bigbiddy on Mar 2, 2018 20:34:58 GMT -5
It’s a beautiful sunny autumn day. You are factual in part but the insinuation that the friends and workers receive some huge and unfair benefit is incorrect
I am now going to enjoy this lovely day
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Post by mod4 on Mar 3, 2018 1:13:49 GMT -5
My Victorian contact reckons it's more like a charity you give to. Not the type of charity that hands out help to the poor, needy and homeless. More in question, they say, is how much in inheritances has been left to the church over the years and where those funds have ended up. Some inheritances get left to individual senior workers too, they indicate.
Is there any obligation on the CCV or the trustees (who one presumes are honest and ethical persons) for transparent reporting of the funds of this registered entity, so friends can have assurance that all is above board?
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Post by Bigbiddy on Mar 3, 2018 2:37:11 GMT -5
It’s not a charity. It does not enable deductablity of monies given. All trustees are obligated at law to act in a fair and honest manner.
I know the three trustees and believe they are honest and absolutely trustworthy. I believe they have been well chosen. From my observation non professing folk are more worried about these matters than professing folk.
In real terms it is no business of people who don’t or no longer profess. I will also add it is no business of mine as I have not been to a meeting for over 30 years.
So I will let it go now.
Still a beautiful day
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Post by fixit on Mar 3, 2018 2:51:22 GMT -5
It’s a beautiful sunny autumn day. You are factual in part but the insinuation that the friends and workers receive some huge and unfair benefit is incorrect I am now going to enjoy this lovely day I guess tax authorities will start taking an interest when workers are seen driving Ferraris and living in multi-million dollar mansions.
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Post by mod4 on Mar 3, 2018 5:42:47 GMT -5
I guess tax authorities will start taking an interest when workers are seen driving Ferraris and living in multi-million dollar mansions. I don't think tax is really the main concern, and I hope Ferraris are unlikely. But what's to stop a senior brother worker collecting funds for his retirement? How would we ever know for certain? There's little if any accountability when it comes to large inheritances. Like Bigbiddy demonstrates, it all comes down to trust. And sadly a handful have proven untrustworthy in other matters.
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Post by nathan on Mar 3, 2018 9:24:50 GMT -5
I guess tax authorities will start taking an interest when workers are seen driving Ferraris and living in multi-million dollar mansions. I don't think tax is really the main concern, and I hope Ferraris are unlikely. But what's to stop a senior brother worker collecting funds for his retirement? How would we ever know for certain? There's little if any accountability when it comes to large inheritances. Like Bigbiddy demonstrates, it all comes down to trust. And sadly a handful have proven untrustworthy in other matters. Some of them have gotten away with some money but I hate to be in his shoes in the DAY of Judgement. Just think the punishment has preserved for Judas, who sold Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. Whose in their right minds want to exchange their eternal life for eternal HELL/burning in the Lake of fire? What a few yrs on earth compare to Eternity.
They might get away and fool the people but NOT God. The angels of God are keeping records and it will reveals these things to them in the day of Judgment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 20:04:10 GMT -5
Fixit, don't think workers would be interested in Ferraris and big mansions. I think that is old hat now, the trend now is to join the Jetset mob. Ferraris and mansions tie you down, without those encumbrances, you can fly like a bird. Think the Workers have found that out. Most of the time now we cannot find our family, we don't know what country they are in.
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Post by mod4 on Mar 3, 2018 20:37:33 GMT -5
Some of them have gotten away with some money but I hate to be in his shoes in the DAY of Judgement. Just think the punishment has preserved for Judas, who sold Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. Whose in their right minds want to exchange their eternal life for eternal HELL/burning in the Lake of fire? What a few yrs on earth compare to Eternity.
They might get away and fool the people but NOT God. The angels of God are keeping records and it will reveals these things to them in the day of Judgment.
[/font][/quote] Thanks for putting this perspective nathan. Let's just hope any going down this path find opportunity to repent.
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Post by nathan on Mar 3, 2018 21:27:09 GMT -5
Some of them have gotten away with some money but I hate to be in his shoes in the DAY of Judgement. Just think the punishment has preserved for Judas, who sold Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. Whose in their right minds want to exchange their eternal life for eternal HELL/burning in the Lake of fire? What a few yrs on earth compare to Eternity.
They might get away and fool the people but NOT God. The angels of God are keeping records and it will reveals these things to them in the day of Judgment.
Thanks for putting this perspective nathan . Let's just hope any going down this path find opportunity to repent.[/quote] I agree 110% if they didn't repent, there would be HELL to pay... But if they are faithful with the responsibility for the furtherance of the gospel and help the needy that God and His people had entrusted to them then He will recompense and reward them for their trust worthy.
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Post by magpie on Mar 4, 2018 19:59:18 GMT -5
Just so simple,no need to procrastanat, Bill Carroll registered the Christian Assemblies of Australia in 1930 as a Religious Denomination. Later when the 3xTitled Dandenong Convention Grounds were sold.A bit for Freeway,the balance for a fortune to developers. Poor homeless pennyless ministry? But when some of this fortune was misappropriated(stolen) it got into the media. "SO" the name was changed to The Christion Conventions of Vistoria(takes in Tasmania),Registered as Religious DEnomination,and,a (don't laugh)Charity, three Trustees Colin Storer,Arthur Robertson,Alan Bird (ask them if you have any doubts or queries,and also ask do they still call the Irvinme founded church undenominational).We were since 1930 "LIARS" by default and the Preachers"LIARS"?.PS John Bartz of South Australia used the Bill Carroll's Reg'd name for needed occasions
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Post by magpie on Mar 11, 2018 18:36:36 GMT -5
Dear PruBert,We are called to be Disciples(Students)of Christ. Yes we often call ourselves Christians but to be a Disciple is first. Haven't I had 2x2s go cranky when I have asked "are you a Disciple or not?". Yes your article is right,Christian was a name given by onlookers,hopefully we are worthy of that title as the fruits of being a Disciple (Student)of Christ and the Word. Regards Maggie
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