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Post by billy on Jan 30, 2014 22:44:43 GMT -5
Using the information on the Register Information on this Register has been provided to the ACNC by the charity or transferred from the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) and the Australian Business Register (ABR). If information is not shown, this may be because the charity has not yet provided the information or because the ACNC is progressively confirming and uploading information received. The ACNC may also approve information be withheld from the Register in certain circumstances. The Register will be updated over time as we work through the information received and any applications for information to be withheld. Read more about information on the Register. www.acnc.gov.au/RN52B75Q?ID=382D4ADA-A2DD-4034-AE45-EDB2E82DA629&\Established in 1929 Can people donate to this charity and then get a tax break? Is this perhaps done to get around taxation issues in Victoria? I understand that there has been a lawyer retained by David Leitch to try to sort through the financial mess as a result of the substantial amount of money in Victoria, a good portion of which is supposed to be from the sale of the Dandedong convention grounds back in the 70's from what I have heard. It sounds like there might be some real issues because of the way the church finances have been handled there.
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Post by stevnz on Jan 31, 2014 1:10:24 GMT -5
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Post by Scott Ross on Jan 31, 2014 1:49:48 GMT -5
I am not real educated in the states there in Australia, but there is another registered name of Christian Conventions of WA Inc, that appears to have very similar data: www.abr.business.gov.au/SearchByAbn.aspx?abn=38223904915Any names here that are recognized? These are listed as the responsible persons. Name Position ARTHUR, RAYMOND Chairperson CARLY, ROHAN Committee member HARDING, MATTHEW Committee member KILLOW, GORDON Committee member MALCOLM, KAYE Committee member VAN, PHILIP Treasurer VIGUS, SHONA Committee member It is listed as a small charity, with revenue under $250,000.00
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Post by Scott Ross on Jan 31, 2014 2:06:28 GMT -5
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Post by Scott Ross on Jan 31, 2014 2:23:36 GMT -5
A search on some of the responsible names leads one to a different church it seems: www.ecmaustralia.org/about-ecm/Interestingly enough, this church is about 100 years old, and also has workers. For more than a century – the Gospel for Europe
ECM has been involved for more than a hundred years in spreading the Gospel in Europe. What began with one man's call received at an all night prayer meeting in Estonia has now become a mission involving hundreds of people.
The origins of European Christian Mission stretch back to the year 1904. A young man named Ganz Raud was called by God during an all night prayer meeting to reach Europe once more with the Gospel. He began by travelling to Britain where he spoke everywhere about the need in the continent of Europe.
The 1905 Russian Revolution and the First World War forced Raud to leave for the United States. There he slowly built up a network of people who shared his vision and in 1920 the first office was opened, in New York. Offices in Toronto and London were also established in the years that followed.
By 1923 there were 55 missionaries working for ECM in Europe. In 1927 that number had grown to 81 and 250 volunteers. After the Second World War an ECM office was opened in Paris. Raud died in 1953, but the organisation still continued to grow after his death.
Today ECM has 160 missionaries active in 17 different countries. From indigenous communities in Northern Sweden to the sunny beaches of the Algarve. From developing Albania to the developed West. From big cities to rural communities. From centres of tourism to forgotten villages. ECM is involved everywhere in the mission which God began through Ganz Raud more than a hundred years ago.
God's heart is for Europeans to really know Jesus Christ and new life in Him. At least it looks like this is where this all leads.......
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Post by emmarr75 on Jan 31, 2014 3:30:43 GMT -5
I'll be watching this site with interest. Hopefully there will be a requirement to list a few names. I'm sure the annual report will prove interesting reading
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Post by stevnz on Jan 31, 2014 3:55:02 GMT -5
www.acnc.gov.au advises: If your charity is a basic religious charity, it does not have to: - answer the financial questions in the 2014 (or any future) Annual Information Statement regardless of its size
- submit annual financial reports regardless of its size
- comply with ACNC governance standards.
Also, the ACNC does not have the power to suspend or remove a member of a basic religious charity's governing body (for ACNC purposes they are called a ‘responsible person’). Basic religious charities still need to meet other ongoing obligations such as submitting an Annual Information Statement (deadline for 2013 AIS extended to 31/3/2014) and notifying us of any changes to their details, including the details of their responsible persons. The ACNC has three different charity size categories (small, medium, large) based on annual revenue: - small charity – annual revenue is less than $250 000
- medium charity – annual revenue is $250 000 or more, but less than $1 million
- large charity – annual revenue is $1 million or more.
The following are examples of inflows that are likely to be revenue if they relate to your charity’s ordinary activities: government and other grants, donations (tithing), bequests or legacies, sales of goods or inflows from other fundraising activities ; fees and charges for provision of services ; interest earned ; dividends or similar distributions. You will need to decide which size your charity is as this affects your charity’s obligations to the ACNC. Your charity's obligations to the ACNC depend on whether it is small, medium or large. Your charity’s size affects: - the amount of time your charity has to notify the ACNC of certain changes including your charity’s legal name, service address, responsible persons and governing rules or of a material error in your Annual Information Statement or financial report)
the amount of information your charity needs to report in its Annual Information Statement (from the 2014 reporting period onwards)
- whether your charity needs to submit financial reports to us (not required for small charities or basic religious charities)
- whether your financial reports must be audited or can be reviewed
- the administrative penalties that your charity may have to pay if it does not submit documents on time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 5:06:39 GMT -5
If you Google, Christian Conventions of Victoria or Christian Conventions of WA. you will get more information about these. It is obvious that it has nothing to do with 2x2's, but more to do with Keswick Conventions. As Scott said the church is more than 100 years old. Keswick started more than 10 years before 2x2,s. WI got the idea of conventions from Keswick. A very good Christian organisation, taking in all people. A lot of 2x2's go to Keswick Conventions, and speak well of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 5:27:16 GMT -5
Dandenong Convention ground was a compulsory acquisition by the Victorian Government to build a freeway. It should be on public record the amount the Government paid for it. There were some very smart 2x2 bank managers around at that time, that would have been happy to look after the proceeds. We the laity of course never knew what went on.
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Post by emmarr75 on Jan 31, 2014 7:19:50 GMT -5
Redback
It's more interesting when you google Christian Conventions in quotation marks.....
All pure speculation of course...... Wonder if anyone is prepared to start connecting the dots?
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Post by quizzer on Jan 31, 2014 19:34:19 GMT -5
In the United States, you get tax breaks for contributing to a charity, and charities get tax breaks as well (some don't pay sales tax, for example). In the United States, the 2x2s couldn't be considered a charity because they have no charitable practices as defined by the tax codes.
I don't know about Australia, but I'd think it wouldn't matter if the 2x2 folks holding the worker monies is paying taxes on those monies.
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Post by rational on Feb 1, 2014 0:10:02 GMT -5
In the United States, the 2x2s couldn't be considered a charity because they have no charitable practices as defined by the tax codes. What tax code defines specific charitable practices? What's the difference between a 501(c)(3) entity and a charity?
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Post by quizzer on Feb 1, 2014 0:38:39 GMT -5
In the United States, the 2x2s couldn't be considered a charity because they have no charitable practices as defined by the tax codes. What tax code defines specific charitable practices? What's the difference between a 501(c)(3) entity and a charity? Charity tax codes: www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Charitable-Contribution-Deductions501(c)(3): www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Exemption-Requirements-Section-501%28c%29%283%29-OrganizationsExempt purposes for a 501(c)(3): www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Exempt-Purposes-Internal-Revenue-Code-Section-501%28c%29%283%29When the overseers begin endorsing activities which are charitable, religious, educational, scientific, literary, testing for public safety, fostering national or international amateur sports competition, and preventing cruelty to children or animals, lemme know. Alternatively, the overseers could also endorse activities for the relief of the poor (not the workers), the distressed (not "women in their need"), or the underprivileged; advancement of religion; advancement of education or science; erecting or maintaining public buildings, monuments, or works; lessening the burdens of government; lessening neighborhood tensions; eliminating prejudice and discrimination; defending human and civil rights secured by law; and combating community deterioration and juvenile delinquency. When any of these above things are stuff that the workers are doing year-round, and the friends are encouraged to participate in, lemme know.
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Post by emmarr75 on Feb 1, 2014 0:55:34 GMT -5
The tax concessions this particular group appear to be receiving: GST Concession 01 Jul 2005 FBT Rebate 01 Jul 2005 Income Tax Exemption 01 Jul 2000 Again - just speculation .........would be nice to get a confirmation of who this group is
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Post by rational on Feb 1, 2014 13:27:56 GMT -5
This does explain when and which contributions to a 501(c)(3) organization can be tax deductions. This explains about 501(c)(3) organizations. This does define a list or activities that work. Religious activities jumps to mind quickly. That is all that is needed to qualify. Advancement of religion is the obvious choice. While charity is one of the activities that qualifies it is not a requirement. Again, advancement of religion. You might not agree (and I certainly do not) but that is what preaching the gospel amounts to.
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Post by quizzer on Feb 2, 2014 0:21:57 GMT -5
Not my problem, rational. It's the IRS's definition that counts, and preaching the worker's gospel is kinda strange for charitable actions.
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Post by rational on Feb 2, 2014 15:04:12 GMT -5
Not my problem, rational. It's the IRS's definition that counts, and preaching the worker's gospel is kinda strange for charitable actions. You seem to be stuck on the charity piece of the definition. The point I was trying to make is that it does not have to be a charitable action. Being a charity was just one among many things that a non-profit can be. Preaching can be considered the "advancement of religion'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 21:01:07 GMT -5
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Post by quizzer on Feb 3, 2014 14:35:31 GMT -5
Not my problem, rational. It's the IRS's definition that counts, and preaching the worker's gospel is kinda strange for charitable actions. You seem to be stuck on the charity piece of the definition. The point I was trying to make is that it does not have to be a charitable action. Being a charity was just one among many things that a non-profit can be. Preaching can be considered the "advancement of religion'. Here's the folks who would like to discuss it: www.taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/
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Post by rational on Feb 3, 2014 14:56:57 GMT -5
You seem to be stuck on the charity piece of the definition. The point I was trying to make is that it does not have to be a charitable action. Being a charity was just one among many things that a non-profit can be. Preaching can be considered the "advancement of religion'. Here's the folks who would like to discuss it: www.taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/If you find any place where the non-profit is required to be a charitable organizetion, point it out.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jan 18, 2015 22:13:41 GMT -5
What was the address of Dandenong Convention grounds?
Who were the three owners who gave the property to be used for Conv.?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 23:56:26 GMT -5
If you Google, Christian Conventions of Victoria or Christian Conventions of WA. you will get more information about these. It is obvious that it has nothing to do with 2x2's, but more to do with Keswick Conventions. As Scott said the church is more than 100 years old. Keswick started more than 10 years before 2x2,s. WI got the idea of conventions from Keswick. A very good Christian organisation, taking in all people. A lot of 2x2's go to Keswick Conventions, and speak well of them. Scott, these registrations have more to do with the group who run the Convention ground at Belgrade Heights in Victoria. Keswick Conventions are held there, and if you google the Women's group they also have functions there. Similar situation in West Australia. They are not a 2x2 organisation, but I do know a number of 2x2, and ex 2x2 who go to the Keswick Convention in both states. Cherie, the Dandenong Convention ground address was Brady Road. Site has been wiped out by South Eastern Freeway. Originally the property was owned by a Mr and Mrs Fletcher. The Convention ground was divided off and administered by 3 trustees. I used to know one of them. Mr and Mrs Fletcher retained a cottage on an adjacent block, and used to move out and allow the Workers to have it during preparations and convention. I had a meal there on several occasions with my Parents. Would have been 6 or 7 years old.
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Post by spiders on Jan 19, 2015 0:24:50 GMT -5
The charity registered as Christian Conventions of Victoria has its address as 523 Neerim Rd Murrumbeena, which is the address of a prominent member of the church related to the recently deceased overseer of Victoria It seems to me that the organisation and associated charity with the name "Christian Conventions of Victotia" is part of the 2x2 church. (Without a name)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 0:37:07 GMT -5
Thanks spiders, you are right, I was wrong. Plot thickens.
Please forgive, I had better go and lie down.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 1:09:44 GMT -5
When you read that registation, it does raise a lot of questions. Charity???. Established 1929 . Income <$250K a year . When you Google Christian Conventions of Victoria you also get information on the BHC ( Keswick Conventions.) It does cause confusion. Maybe they can amalgamate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 2:09:03 GMT -5
Is this for the TTT site ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 3:53:10 GMT -5
Is this for the TTT site ? Probably Bert. Thank God for TTT, as after we were told many things, we find now they were not true, TTT will record the truth. History does help to make you honest. We were told that we weren't an organisation, David Leitch is still saying that. However the evidence shows it has been registered as "Christian Conventions of Victoria" a charity, since 1929. I donated money to that charity, it would have been good to know it was a registered charity. I know that Bill Carroll used to have donations made to Dandenong Hospital. This is good, and we applaud that. We also know that Bill Carroll had a very ambient life style. Was that paid for by the charity???. Was not quite the way Workers lived those days. He had a good looking Buick car, all other Workers had bikes. We were encouraged to make donations to this charity, but it was frowned upon to give money to the Salvation Army. For some time as an old Victorian 2x2 ( now ex ) I wonder if Victoria was another Alberta, on a smaller scale. A valid question, and in time the truth may be found,and recorded on TTT. It is disappointing to us oldies, that what we believed in, may have been different to what we were told. As an ex, I spent time as a Treasurer of a "Worldly Church". I did find out the proper way to run Church finances. It would do well for the 2x2's to learn the same system.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 4:08:55 GMT -5
And what church is that. Do they have a web site?
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