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Post by snow on Mar 15, 2024 13:38:56 GMT -5
That's just one more way how women in the States just don't have protection from abuse. When I worked in Forensic Outpatient and Inpatient Services we dealt with a group For Men who Batter their Wives. So many of the women lost their children because of being beaten while pregnant.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 15, 2024 13:40:45 GMT -5
That's just one more way how women in the States just don't have protection from abuse. When I worked in Forensic Outpatient and Inpatient Services we dealt with a group For Men who Batter their Wives. So many of the women lost their children because of being beaten while pregnant. Wally would tell us this is freedom. The land of the free.
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Post by snow on Mar 15, 2024 13:45:34 GMT -5
That's just one more way how women in the States just don't have protection from abuse. When I worked in Forensic Outpatient and Inpatient Services we dealt with a group For Men who Batter their Wives. So many of the women lost their children because of being beaten while pregnant. Wally would tell us this is freedom. The land of the free. Freedom in the US is only true for men. If they were upset about unwanted pregnancies then they could mandate all men while single have to have vasectomies. But you'll never see that happen because they want say over their own bodies. Rightly so, but it's so hypocritical when you tell women they don't have say over what happens to their bodies.
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Post by xna on Mar 15, 2024 14:06:46 GMT -5
The year BC 1 was followed by the year AD 1. In both Gregorian and Julian calendar there is no year zero.
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Post by xna on Mar 15, 2024 14:07:57 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Mar 15, 2024 14:15:14 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Mar 15, 2024 14:17:36 GMT -5
The Golden Rule, treat others the way you want to be treated, can be found in a story from ancient Egyptian religion titled 'The Eloquent Peasant' dating back to Egypt's Middle Kingdom (2040–1650 BC). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule
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Post by Annan on Mar 15, 2024 14:21:44 GMT -5
Wally would tell us this is freedom. The land of the free. Freedom in the US is only true for men. If they were upset about unwanted pregnancies then they could mandate all men while single have to have vasectomies. But you'll never see that happen because they want say over their own bodies. Rightly so, but it's so hypocritical when you tell women they don't have say over what happens to their bodies. What do you expect from a patriarchal system fueled by a patriarchal religion?
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Post by xna on Mar 15, 2024 14:21:47 GMT -5
Marie Curie gave away most of her Nobel Prize money, repaid the scholarship she received as a student as soon as she began working, and refrained from patenting the radiation-isolation process so that the scientific community would not have any trouble with continuing research. Maria's father was an atheist, her mother a devout Catholic. The deaths of Maria's mother and sister caused her to give up Catholicism and become agnostic. She asked there be no religious service upon her death. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie
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Post by xna on Mar 16, 2024 14:46:53 GMT -5
Wally would tell us this is freedom. The land of the free. Freedom in the US is only true for men. If they were upset about unwanted pregnancies then they could mandate all men while single have to have vasectomies. But you'll never see that happen because they want say over their own bodies. Rightly so, but it's so hypocritical when you tell women they don't have say over what happens to their bodies.
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Post by xna on Mar 16, 2024 14:48:43 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Mar 17, 2024 11:38:52 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Mar 18, 2024 17:15:06 GMT -5
It looks like humans may someday have their own digital twin. It reminds me of the idea of a soul which is us but not part of our body. I could get behind this idea of a soul. And the idea of heaven could be where our consciousness is transfered to our digital twin, and that's all that remains of us.
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Post by help on Mar 20, 2024 9:36:57 GMT -5
After leaving the 2x2's, I became a member of Australian Order of Old Bastards (AOOB). Have been a member for 50 years, now a gold member. Members of AOOB are all about joviality, good fellowship and charity, having raised many millions of dollars since its formation in 1968. The money is mainly given to charities that support sick children. The Sydney Children's Hospital is a main beneficiary. AOOB have provided over $1 million dollars to assist with research, even funding the ARRK programme – Australian Registry of Rare and Genetic Kidney Disease, a World first project collating data from around the world.
AOOB became my Church and I would rather spend my time in fellowship in this way, instead of spending time contemplating hypotheticals. Unfortunately because of age and failing health, plus other commitments, I am unable to attend meetings anymore. But I will continue to keep in touch with the OB's that have become my friends and support them.
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Post by xna on Mar 20, 2024 10:55:33 GMT -5
After leaving the 2x2's, I became a member of Australian Order of Old Bastards (AOOB). Have been a member for 50 years, now a gold member. Members of AOOB are all about joviality, good fellowship and charity, having raised many millions of dollars since its formation in 1968. The money is mainly given to charities that support sick children. The Sydney Children's Hospital is a main beneficiary. AOOB have provided over $1 million dollars to assist with research, even funding the ARRK programme – Australian Registry of Rare and Genetic Kidney Disease, a World first project collating data from around the world. AOOB became my Church and I would rather spend my time in fellowship in this way, instead of spending time contemplating hypotheticals. Unfortunately because of age and failing health, plus other commitments, I am unable to attend meetings anymore. But I will continue to keep in touch with the OB's that have become my friends and support them.
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Post by xna on Mar 23, 2024 7:55:17 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Mar 23, 2024 11:48:44 GMT -5
Happy palindrome. It's 3/23/23
Each day from the 20th to the 29th is a palindrome in the form of m/dd/yy.
3/20/23 3/21/23 3/22/23 3/23/23 3/24/23 3/25/23 3/26/23 3/27/23 3/28/23 3/29/23
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 23, 2024 12:36:30 GMT -5
Happy palindrome. It's 3/23/23 Each day from the 20th to the 29th is a palindrome in the form of m/dd/yy. 3/20/23 3/21/23 3/22/23 3/23/23 3/24/23 3/25/23 3/26/23 3/27/23 3/28/23 3/29/23 Is it a true palindrome?
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Post by xna on Mar 23, 2024 13:42:53 GMT -5
Happy palindrome. It's 3/23/23 Each day from the 20th to the 29th is a palindrome in the form of m/dd/yy. 3/20/23 3/21/23 3/22/23 3/23/23 3/24/23 3/25/23 3/26/23 3/27/23 3/28/23 3/29/23 Is it a true palindrome? Yes, according to; Anna, Eve, Abba, Anna,Ada, Nun, Hannah, Asa, Gog, Ona Numbers can be palindromes if the digits read the same backward and forward, such as 10101
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 23, 2024 13:56:19 GMT -5
No, 32/02/3 is not a date. Yes, 32/02/3 is a palindrome. I was looking at the reversal as a measurement of time to start with.
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Post by Annan on Mar 24, 2024 6:08:06 GMT -5
Beliefs are supposed to be personal and unique, not universal and conforming. ~ my friend, CS
When I became convinced that the universe is natural, that all the ghosts and gods are myths, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood the sense, the feeling, the joy of freedom. The walls of my prison crumbled and fell. The dungeon was flooded with light and all the bolts and bars and manacles became dust. I was no longer a servant, a serf, or a slave. There was for me no master in all the wide world, not even in infinite space. I was free— free to think, to express my thoughts— free to live my own ideal, free to live for myself and those I loved, free to use all my faculties, all my senses, free to spread imagination's wings, free to investigate, to guess and dream and hope, free to judge and determine for myself. . . I was free! ~ Ingersol
No matter how many times my dad tried to explain it to me, I have never understood conforming to the rules and regulations of religious doctrine/dogma. How can I truly believe if I am "forced" to believe. That is not belief/faith but conformity and has no merit or value that I can see.
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Post by Dan on Mar 24, 2024 14:31:54 GMT -5
Beliefs are supposed to be personal and unique, not universal and conforming. ~ my friend, CS When I became convinced that the universe is natural, that all the ghosts and gods are myths, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood the sense, the feeling, the joy of freedom. The walls of my prison crumbled and fell. The dungeon was flooded with light and all the bolts and bars and manacles became dust. I was no longer a servant, a serf, or a slave. There was for me no master in all the wide world, not even in infinite space. I was free— free to think, to express my thoughts— free to live my own ideal, free to live for myself and those I loved, free to use all my faculties, all my senses, free to spread imagination's wings, free to investigate, to guess and dream and hope, free to judge and determine for myself. . . I was free! ~ Ingersol No matter how many times my dad tried to explain it to me, I have never understood conforming to the rules and regulations of religious doctrine/dogma. How can I truly believe if I am "forced" to believe. That is not belief/faith but conformity and has no merit or value that I can see.
Belief is always a choice. No matter what a person chooses to believe, they inevitably take solace in their perceived truth. Being a Christian isn't conforming to a set of rules, but embracing them. Surrendering to a religious regiment that you don't understand is a type of imprisonment, it stymie's a free thinking person and puts them under the subjection and control of others. Go where your conscience leads you, accept what you can understand and always wonder about what you don't. We all have a choice, and nothing you become convinced of is a prison if it liberates you from confusion.. But when push comes to shove, no one 'knows' squat, we debate in a vacuum. Our remedies for what can only be unknown might be emotionally aesthetic, but the choice to believe in God or no God is derived by faith. We are either here by Intelligent Design for a specific purpose, or we are an accidental random result of an uncaused big bang theory. I find no freedom, joy, or hope in the latter.
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Post by xna on Mar 24, 2024 17:56:16 GMT -5
Belief is always a choice. No matter what a person chooses to believe, they inevitably take solace in their perceived truth. Being a Christian isn't conforming to a set of rules, but embracing them. Surrendering to a religious regiment that you don't understand is a type of imprisonment, it stymie's a free thinking person and puts them under the subjection and control of others. Go where your conscience leads you, accept what you can understand and always wonder about what you don't. We all have a choice, and nothing you become convinced of is a prison if it liberates you from confusion.. But when push comes to shove, no one 'knows' squat, we debate in a vacuum. Our remedies for what can only be unknown might be emotionally aesthetic, but the choice to believe in God or no God is derived by faith. We are either here by Intelligent Design for a specific purpose, or we are an accidental random result of an uncaused big bang theory. I find no freedom, joy, or hope in the latter.
I see belief is not a choice that is subject to ones will. I find this idea is a religious fallacy, as the brain doesn't work that way. Pretending to believe, when one doesn't believe just makes hypocrites. If belief is always a choice, then do an experiment - choose to believe the exact opposite of what you wrote. Can you choose to change your belief by force of will? I would concede there are some exceptions where you can change what you believe. Some examples are: brainwashing, self delusion, repeated indoctrination.
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Post by Dan on Mar 24, 2024 19:18:04 GMT -5
Belief is always a choice. No matter what a person chooses to believe, they inevitably take solace in their perceived truth. Being a Christian isn't conforming to a set of rules, but embracing them. Surrendering to a religious regiment that you don't understand is a type of imprisonment, it stymie's a free thinking person and puts them under the subjection and control of others. Go where your conscience leads you, accept what you can understand and always wonder about what you don't. We all have a choice, and nothing you become convinced of is a prison if it liberates you from confusion.. But when push comes to shove, no one 'knows' squat, we debate in a vacuum. Our remedies for what can only be unknown might be emotionally aesthetic, but the choice to believe in God or no God is derived by faith. We are either here by Intelligent Design for a specific purpose, or we are an accidental random result of an uncaused big bang theory. I find no freedom, joy, or hope in the latter.
I see belief is not a choice that is subject to ones will. I find this idea is a religious fallacy, as the brain doesn't work that way. Pretending to believe, when one doesn't believe just makes hypocrites. If belief is always a choice, then do an experiment - choose to believe the exact opposite of what you wrote. Can you choose to change your belief by force of will? I would concede there are some exceptions where you can change what you believe. Some examples are: brainwashing, self delusion, repeated indoctrination.
Belief is not derived at by facts, therefore it can be nothing but a choice. I could choose to be an atheist and have often considered that there may not be any gods, but I freely choose to believe God exist. If you can change your mind and believe something other than what you currently believe, then belief has got to be a choice. Yes, there are influences that might make you more susceptible or enhance what you believe, but the fact that there are some atheist here who grew-up in the Way is evidence that being indoctrinated doesn't override free choice. I want to believe, therefore I do, but that could change overnight if something persuades me differently. Believing is like choosing to get married, it doesn't make divorce a future impossibility. If a person can be convinced, they can be unconvinced. A decision that can not be rationally confirmed can always fluctuate.
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Post by xna on Mar 24, 2024 20:43:53 GMT -5
Belief is not derived at by facts, therefore it can be nothing but a choice. I could choose to be an atheist and have often considered that there may not be any gods, but I freely choose to believe God exist. If you can change your mind and believe something other than what you currently believe, then belief has got to be a choice. Yes, there are influences that might make you more susceptible or enhance what you believe, but the fact that there are some atheist here who grew-up in the Way is evidence that being indoctrinated doesn't override free choice. I want to believe, therefore I do, but that could change overnight if something persuades me differently. Believing is like choosing to get married, it doesn't make divorce a future impossibility. If a person can be convinced, they can be unconvinced. A decision that can not be rationally confirmed can always fluctuate.
I disagree with the notion that "belief is not derived at by facts." Life makes more sense to me when my " beliefs ARE derived at by facts". For example; nathan believes Jesus lives inside of Venus. This is an example of a belief not derived at by facts. xna believes Venus is 67 million miles from the sun, it has a diameter of about 7,521 miles, and has a surface temperatures of about 864°F. This is an example of a belief derived at by facts. The default position about any claim should be disbelief, unless and until you have good reasons. Belief without facts is fantasy. Belief counter to good fact based reasons is delusion. A belief based on no reason is a very weak belief. Not all beliefs are held with the same firmness. Every belief should be provisional, subject to new and better facts. You may first be convinced of one view and then with more data be convinced of another view. This is progress. Beliefs that do not change when presented with new facts are examples of dogmatic beliefs which are disconnected from reality. I can't think of any decision that I have ever made where I had perfect and complete information before hand. You have to go with what you have at the time and self correct based on new and better information.
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Post by Dan on Mar 24, 2024 23:51:10 GMT -5
Belief is not derived at by facts, therefore it can be nothing but a choice. I could choose to be an atheist and have often considered that there may not be any gods, but I freely choose to believe God exist. If you can change your mind and believe something other than what you currently believe, then belief has got to be a choice. Yes, there are influences that might make you more susceptible or enhance what you believe, but the fact that there are some atheist here who grew-up in the Way is evidence that being indoctrinated doesn't override free choice. I want to believe, therefore I do, but that could change overnight if something persuades me differently. Believing is like choosing to get married, it doesn't make divorce a future impossibility. If a person can be convinced, they can be unconvinced. A decision that can not be rationally confirmed can always fluctuate.
I disagree with the notion that "belief is not derived at by facts." Life makes more sense to me when my " beliefs ARE derived at by facts". For example; nathan believes Jesus lives inside of Venus. This is an example of a belief not derived at by facts. xna believes Venus is 67 million miles from the sun, it has a diameter of about 7,521 miles, and has a surface temperatures of about 864°F. This is an example of a belief derived at by facts. The default position about any claim should be disbelief, unless and until you have good reasons. Belief without facts is fantasy. Belief counter to good fact based reasons is delusion. A belief based on no reason is a very weak belief. Not all beliefs are held with the same firmness. Every belief should be provisional, subject to new and better facts. You may first be convinced of one view and then with more data be convinced of another view. This is progress. Beliefs that do not change when presented with new facts are examples of dogmatic beliefs which are disconnected from reality. I can't think of any decision that I have ever made where I had perfect and complete information before hand. You have to go with what you have at the time and self correct based on new and better information.
If you have facts, beliefs aren't necessary, and that's what makes belief a choice. Example; If you said gravity works and I dropped a pen which fell to the floor, gravity works and I don't need to believe in it because its a known & proven fact.
Belief is faith or trust in what is unknown and unproven. Tangible facts and objective evidence eliminate the necessity of belief. Your example of Venus is correct, life as we know it can't exist on Venus, that is factually known and requires no belief. But Nathan believes in the supernatural, that the temperatures inside Venus can sustain life, or that spiritual beings are immune to hot temperatures. All which is unproven and thereby requires lots of belief to accept.
John 3:16 says "whosoever believeth" making it a decision or choice. In John 20:29, Jesus told Thomas that he knew he had resurrected because he had seen and felt his wounds, but "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Belief without facts could be fantasy, gullible people with an active imagination will swallow nearly anything. But there is subjective evidence behind the bible, so people choose to accept what nonbelievers deem impossible. Both make a choice, you won't personally accept what can't be proven and I consider that a choice.
You don't have perfect and complete information about Christ, so you've decided to dismiss him. But if he returned, I agree that you'd self correct based on new and better information. We are called by faith for a reason though, it demands love & trust.
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Post by xna on Mar 25, 2024 6:50:34 GMT -5
If you have facts, beliefs aren't necessary, and that's what makes belief a choice. Example; If you said gravity works and I dropped a pen which fell to the floor, gravity works and I don't need to believe in it because its a known & proven fact.
Belief is faith or trust in what is unknown and unproven. Tangible facts and objective evidence eliminate the necessity of belief. We see beliefs and facts differently. I see beliefs and facts as distinct, one can't be substituted for the other. If so you could change your belief many times in a day by ignoring the facts. There are some people like this who's belief’s change all the time without first checking out the facts as the bible says; "A reed swayed by the wind". People who are too easily convinced without sufficient evidence or critical examination, are credulous. Someone who is credulous may accept claims, stories, or information as true without questioning or verifying their accuracy. Beliefs are subjective constructs that individuals hold about the world around them. Beliefs can not be changed, like a light switch that can be turn on or off by force of will. They can be based on personal experiences, cultural upbringing, education, or other influences. A belief is a conclusion one comes to based on ones experience and all available information. Facts are objective pieces of information that are verifiable and empirically demonstrable. They exist independently of individual beliefs or opinions. Facts are based on evidence and can be confirmed through observation, measurement, experimentation, or documentation. Facts provide the foundation for knowledge and understanding.
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Post by xna on Mar 25, 2024 6:55:28 GMT -5
Belief is faith or trust in what is unknown and unproven. One should suspend your belief in a thing until you have good reasons for belief, doing otherwise is credulity, and gullibility. I guess that's why Trump is so popular. All which is unproven and thereby requires lots of belief to accept. Don't belive the unproven.
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