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Post by exVic on Jun 21, 2012 7:59:56 GMT -5
Hearing rumors of yet another CSA issue in Vic/Tas - any news?
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From Scott 6-22-2012
WINGS has been aware of this latest issue for some time now, and now that it has been brought up by a poster, I have moved the posts concerning this matter to a new thread.
For those who are posting here, please remember that under Australian law, the name of an alleged (or for that matter charged) individual is not to be publicized.
Within that limitation, please feel free to share thoughts and concerns regarding this subject.
The worker in question has been in the work over 20 years, and the incident that has been reported to the authorities took place prior to him entering the work. There is a letter being hand-delivered to friends in Victoria explaining the situation, and includes a statement to the friends from the worker in question, and also a statement from David Leitch. This letter was sent to me by some of the friends, and a brief synopsis is located in another post below.
David's actions in this matter appear to be proactive, and he has stated that he will provide the authorities with all that they require for their investigation. He also encourages the friends to contact the investigator with any information they may have, or to feel free to contact their local workers or himself.
WINGS would also like to encourage the friends to contact the investigator with any knowledge of CSA issues that they may have information about whether in regard to the worker in question or other CSA issues they may be aware of.
David is to be commended for acting in a proactive manner in this situation, and it is hoped that this will extend to any and all matters of CSA that he is aware of.[/color]
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Post by Scott Ross on Jun 21, 2012 12:41:34 GMT -5
Hearing rumors of yet another CSA issue in Vic/Tas - any news? Yes. It is an old issue in regard to a worker prior to when he entered the work. As far as I have heard, there are no incidents more recent concerning him. David Leitch has had workers going around giving people letters that concern this since the worker had stayed in many of the friends homes. Many there are hoping that he will also be addressing the issue with EB, since EB has been convicted of CSA. To date, there doesn't seem to be any public acknowledgment of that case, so some people are a bit confused why this new issue is being addressed openly (without a conviction) while the other case (with a conviction) has been largely ignored. |
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Post by taswegian on Jun 21, 2012 17:50:35 GMT -5
Does this need a new thread? The matter is still under investigation by police you are right about that Scott. They are asking for contact details in every field the worker was in whilst in Aus. and plan to speak with these people. The Vic Tas leadership have come under a lot of critiscm for past handling of CSA cases. They seem to be handling this one in in the right way... well at least visiting homes and handing out written information so whey question their motives??? Isnt this what the folk have been asking for?  Perhaps we should be praising David for learning from past mistakes and getting it right in this case. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 18:19:02 GMT -5
This sounds very promising and David’s efforts, as described here , certainly need to be encouraged and supported.
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Post by JO on Jun 21, 2012 20:35:46 GMT -5
This sounds very promising and David’s efforts, as described here , certainly need to be encouraged and supported. Only if he does the same regarding EB. It wouldn't be a good look if they were seeking evidence against the younger worker after trying to convince EB's victims to not come forward. They should do the right thing for EB's victims before they look for victims of the younger worker who may not have even offended while in the work. Is this like Americo taking the heat for Ira all over again? The following is from the email sent by a concerned professing man: It is said amongst the friends that he was hired a high profile lawyer to get him off. I don’t believe this is the Christian way. If he was to show repentance & the spirit of a person who is so sorry for his action, he would accept the punishment. Particularly when he admitted to the overseers of both VIC and WA that there are other victims, but only 1 brave soul was willing to come forward & have him charged. We hear of others who wanted to come forward, but apparently changed their minds after visits from those in authority.professing.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wings&action=display&thread=19269&page=1 |
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Post by goodo on Jun 21, 2012 22:06:43 GMT -5
This sounds very promising and David’s efforts, as described here , certainly need to be encouraged and supported. You would have us believe this David is caring with Christian love for all victims of child sexual and adult sexual abuse by his ministry? Good, perhaps those in vic/tas can confirm (especially the victims of Ernie Barry and other vic workers) Furthermore that he has drawn a line in the sand and all workers on his staff with past sexual abuse issues will be involved in open confession and repentance before the church there? And that the hints of sexual abuse of young sister workers down there will be fully investigated and the sisters involved cared for spiritually and emotionally by professionals? Good-o! Good ol' Vic, trail blazers as always!! But until confirmation of the above, PLEASE don't send vic workers our way at convention time. |
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Post by Scott Ross on Jun 21, 2012 22:39:27 GMT -5
Does this need a new thread? The matter is still under investigation by police you are right about that Scott. They are asking for contact details in every field the worker was in whilst in Aus. and plan to speak with these people. The Vic Tas leadership have come under a lot of critiscm for past handling of CSA cases. They seem to be handling this one in in the right way... well at least visiting homes and handing out written information so whey question their motives??? Isnt this what the folk have been asking for? Perhaps we should be praising David for learning from past mistakes and getting it right in this case. You are right in that statement. It is encouraging to know that he has had workers going to visit with the friends and hand deliver the letter concerning this latest case. I was a bit surprised that he didn't have them address the issue concerning Ernie at the same time, as it would have been a good opportunity to clear up the misconceptions that some people have had in that case. It is my understanding that in the latest case, the worker in question has openly been cooperating with the authorities, and has admitted to his past actions. My comment: Many there are hoping that he will also be addressing the issue with EB, since EB has been convicted of CSA. To date, there doesn't seem to be any public acknowledgment of that case, so some people are a bit confused why this new issue is being addressed openly (without a conviction) while the other case (with a conviction) has been largely ignored.
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Post by kitteecat on Jun 22, 2012 7:58:28 GMT -5
Ok Goodo,
Can we ask what state you in. South of thr border. Or one of those north islanders from the big island.
Which state getting letters, Scott?
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Post by Scott Ross on Jun 22, 2012 8:39:23 GMT -5
Ok Goodo, Can we ask what state you in. South of thr border. Or one of those north islanders from the big island. Which state getting letters, Scott? Victoria is where the letters are being handed out. I am in Minnesota, USA I am guessing that would be north of the border..... LOL!!! The letter being given includes a statement from the worker involved explaining that he is being investigated by the authorities, and that it is in regard to something that happened prior to him becoming a worker. It is followed with a statement signed by David Leitch, and lists the fields the worker has been in and states that David will provide the authorities with all that they require for their investigation. It also lists a contact number for the investigator, and encourages people to contact the investigator, their workers or David himself with any questions that people may have. I appreciated the various friends there who sent this information to me and read here on the TMB and the BTS board. It is hoped that David will continue to address such issues openly and honestly, and cooperate with the authorities on any such matters both current and old that he is aware of. |
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Post by Scott Ross on Jun 22, 2012 10:33:02 GMT -5
Well.....
I modified the subject line on all the posts I moved to this new thread (did not modify any subject matter in anyone's posts...)
As 'taswegian' pointed out, this really needed to have a new thread started.
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Post by goodo on Jun 22, 2012 17:37:00 GMT -5
NSW, kitteecat.
If David Leach is getting plaudits for his handling of CSA in Vic he better be sure all his other staff are squeeky clean. Because if he's selective in his dealings....
Oh, you are confident his newfound zeal isn't brought on by a fear of investigating authorities? Good-o.
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Post by exVic on Jun 22, 2012 18:00:52 GMT -5
Scott wrote:
It is hoped that David will continue to address such issues openly and honestly, and cooperate with the authorities on any such matters both current and old that he is aware of.
Wondering if DL is aware of an upcoming parliamentary inquiry in Vic into how churches are dealing with CSA cases?
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Post by taswegian on Jun 22, 2012 18:12:46 GMT -5
Letter are also being handed out in Tasmania. Some hand delivered by workers, other deliverd by Elders of meetings.
Agree need to make sure the staff are clean of CSA- the best way to make sure this happens is to support victims to have the courage to come forward and report any abuse or maybe they could contact WINGS who could help them do this.
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Post by JO on Jun 22, 2012 18:14:16 GMT -5
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Post by Greg on Jun 22, 2012 18:25:58 GMT -5
Fear of reprisal? Though they be rare or seldom, perhaps many or most are aware of incidents of excommunications, shunning, silencing, gossip, and even highlighting and/or exaggerating some faults or practices of people that would normally be overlooked. |
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Post by goodo on Jun 22, 2012 18:55:21 GMT -5
Vic has never had the open-ness of some other states.
Those who know him say that even David Leach is suspected of writing anonymously on here during the Ernie Barry saga.
It's not just the workers in Vic, you have to realise that many of the friends are also involved in CSA so they're not going to open their mouths.
Any who do actively oppose the culture there are presumably at risk of ex=communication. But they might be a little safer now, that might not be a good look at the upcoming government enquiry into churches and CSA?
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Post by spiders on Jun 23, 2012 7:23:27 GMT -5
Letter are also being handed out in Tasmania. Some hand delivered by workers, other deliverd by Elders of meetings. Agree need to make sure the staff are clean of CSA- the best way to make sure this happens is to support victims to have the courage to come forward and report any abuse or maybe they could contact WINGS who could help them do this. There are still many people who have not received this letter. I think DL and the workers are being very selective in who they think should have the letter. How about putting it on TMB for everyone to see? |
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Post by to taswegian on Jun 23, 2012 13:22:18 GMT -5
Does this need a new thread? The matter is still under investigation by police you are right about that Scott. They are asking for contact details in every field the worker was in whilst in Aus. and plan to speak with these people. The Vic Tas leadership have come under a lot of critiscm for past handling of CSA cases. They seem to be handling this one in in the right way... well at least visiting homes and handing out written information so whey question their motives??? Isnt this what the folk have been asking for? Perhaps we should be praising David for learning from past mistakes and getting it right in this case. Is he still in the work? Is he currently in Australia? |
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Post by taswegian on Jun 23, 2012 19:17:42 GMT -5
The person has stood aside from the work openly discolsed this ih the letter they had written. Currently residing in Victoria.
The WINGS admins seem to know what is going on, maybe contact them if you are worried or have questions.
Please remember the victim/s in this if they are pressing matters with police they do not feel the issues are resolved from their perspective. It seems the years do not heal the hurt people receive from CSA.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2012 23:22:27 GMT -5
I think there could be power play and politics coming into this sad saga. It probably rivals "Dallas", and "The Bold and the Beautiful". Lets hope the Government enquiry gets to the bottom of it.
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Post by Angelina Mouse on Jun 24, 2012 1:07:52 GMT -5
Letter are also being handed out in Tasmania. Some hand delivered by workers, other deliverd by Elders of meetings. Agree need to make sure the staff are clean of CSA- the best way to make sure this happens is to support victims to have the courage to come forward and report any abuse or maybe they could contact WINGS who could help them do this. OK Spiders, Not quite sure what you mean here. Do you think the workers will just tell a few. Or the ones they think have the internet. Maybe some of the oldies wont hear about it then.  (The Mouse is BACK) There are still many people who have not received this letter. I think DL and the workers are being very selective in who they think should have the letter. How about putting it on TMB for everyone to see? |
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Post by kitteecat on Jun 24, 2012 1:11:41 GMT -5
Taswegian someone special if he/she already has letter. Anyone else got one? ? |
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Post by spiders on Jun 24, 2012 2:10:07 GMT -5
OK Spiders, Not quite sure what you mean here. Do you think the workers will just tell a few. Or the ones they think have the internet. Maybe some of the oldies wont hear about it then. (The Mouse is BACK) There are still many people who have not received this letter. I think DL and the workers are being very selective in who they think should have the letter. How about putting it on TMB for everyone to see? The mouse has poked her head out of her hole...... just beware of the mouse traps ;D It seems that the letter is not being given out to everyone......maybe only to those who are supporters of DL?? I know of an 85 yr old lady who had one hand delivered!! What does this letter say? Why the secrecy? Has the mouse seen the letter? |
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Post by spiders on Jun 24, 2012 2:11:34 GMT -5
Taswegian someone special if he/she already has letter. Anyone else got one? ? Those who have one are keeping very quiet about it. Must be top secret stuff |
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Post by Angelina Mouse on Jun 24, 2012 6:51:07 GMT -5
Eeeek. What happened to my post. Its super-imposed itself on yours Spiders. Ok Daddy-long-legs, I have seen no letter. Obviously not old enough!!!!! So Spiders (I know I shouldnt presume, but I presume you are a man), if you know someone who got a letter why couldnt you have a leetle look. Was she an old auntie.
Not sure if the traps are scarier or that Kitteecat
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Post by rational on Jun 24, 2012 7:20:47 GMT -5
Hearing rumors of yet another CSA issue in Vic/Tas - any news? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From Scott 6-22-2012For those who are posting here, please remember that under Australian law, the name of an alleged (or for that matter charged) individual is not to be publicized. [/color][/quote]How enlightened. |
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Post by TAS GIRL on Jun 24, 2012 10:25:04 GMT -5
 A senior worker that was in Tasmania and Victoria, stayed in my parents home. We were going to a mission that was an hour away. He insisted in riding in the back of the car with my sister and I. My father had asked him several times that he should sit in the front and my mother would sit in the back with my sister and I. On the way to the mission he touched my leg several times, even though I moved away he kept doing it. On the way home he continued to do it. I felt very confused as I was a teenage girl and had feelings. He never did it to my sister, she had a bigger voice than me. As I know now, they know which victim to pray on . This same man was in the work with the other VIC worker than has been convicted. He used to stand outside my sister and my bedroom door late after my parents went to bed. I can only thank my sister, and her big voice that protected me from him. He is still a senior worker in the work today! I am too scared to ever contact anyone about this, but I thought posting on here is a start. I have only recently told my parents of this, who are still professing. And they are livid!
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Post by Lover of self on Jun 24, 2012 10:29:28 GMT -5
I think there could be power play and politics coming into this sad saga. It probably rivals "Dallas", and "The Bold and the Beautiful". Lets hope the Government enquiry gets to the bottom of it. Yes when is the government enquiry??? The media have put the exclusive brethren under the microscope so why not the 2x2's? |
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(The Mouse is BACK)
A senior worker that was in Tasmania and Victoria, stayed in my parents home. We were going to a mission that was an hour away. He insisted in riding in the back of the car with my sister and I. My father had asked him several times that he should sit in the front and my mother would sit in the back with my sister and I. On the way to the mission he touched my leg several times, even though I moved away he kept doing it. On the way home he continued to do it. I felt very confused as I was a teenage girl and had feelings. He never did it to my sister, she had a bigger voice than me. As I know now, they know which victim to pray on . This same man was in the work with the other VIC worker than has been convicted. He used to stand outside my sister and my bedroom door late after my parents went to bed. I can only thank my sister, and her big voice that protected me from him. He is still a senior worker in the work today! I am too scared to ever contact anyone about this, but I thought posting on here is a start. I have only recently told my parents of this, who are still professing. And they are livid!