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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jun 19, 2010 10:20:40 GMT -5
"But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless."
Broad brush extrapolations condemn the guiltless.
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Post by sharonw on Jun 19, 2010 12:31:15 GMT -5
The Workers have perpetuated there own scourging sexual dilemmas that have went on clandestinely unhindered for years --- in all likelihoods back to Irvine himself in 1897. Only by the widespread availability of the INTERNET are these promiscuous and, in many instances, criminal disclosures now not lost in hiding or swept into other states or countries, ... into silent obscurity -- all under the guise of a homeless & celibate ministry. The Workers 'rule the roost' and that will never change, the fear and intimidation of their power is all that's needed in one word 'excommunication.' I knew many Workers personally in over 20 years, those I respected and admired, along with nearly thirty personal friends that went into the Work, but would I have any confidence, trust, ... in them today? Absolutely not. Could I sit in a Gospel meeting and listen to them proclaim their sacrifices to spread the Gospel and not wonder who they've been in bed with or what child they've been cozying up to over the last week? ABSOLUTELY NOT. The wolves sleep in their own vomit. That seems like an over-reaction. From our point of view, perhaps...although to be fair, it will all depend on the level of trust that has been broken as to how much reaction will commence....I can readily see the pain of such trust being broken and it does come with a grave price for all parties considered! When a person loves and trust unquestioningly and does this for a majority of one's life and then when that trust is unrequivacately broken one wonders just how much of their life has been spent in vain because of this broken trust that actually had been broken all along, but the person doing the trusting was innocently trusting...having no idea such trust-breaking was going on! Actually it's kind of like a one-sided relationship, it turns out to be futile and cold and lonely and a lot of pain in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2010 16:06:50 GMT -5
"But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless." Broad brush extrapolations condemn the guiltless. You're quoting from one of Jesus' lessons of "greater principles". I'm not sure what it has to do with your following statement. Regardless, condemning the guiltless is not a very nice thing to do, no doubt about that.
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Jun 20, 2010 21:17:00 GMT -5
The following info was pulled from the Michigan Public Sex Offender Registry. The actual sentence isn't shown yet, but it is showing Peter as incarcerated and registered. The length of registration is the same as that which Darren Briggs received. (25 years) If you want to see the actual info from the registry, follow the link below www.nsopw.gov/Core/ResultDetails.aspx?index=0&x=FB37905B-6F92-4AAA-AC04-39B50C9AA2E8Peter William Mousseau *** COMPLIANT *** Physical Characteristics Gender: Male Eyes: Blue Race: White Hair: Brown DOB: 02/15/1970 Height: 5' 05 Age: 40 Weight: 170 lbs Registration Details Status: Compliant Last Verification Date: Not Available Date of Initial Registration: 06/07/2010 Date of Registration Expiration: 06/07/2035 Michigan Public Sex Offender Registry (PSOR) Offense Description State Conviction Date Court Name 750.520E Criminal Sexual Conduct 4th Degree (Multiple Variables) MI 04/26/2010 Not Available **This link reflects the current statute and due to continuous legislative changes, may not be indicative of the statute at the time the offender was convicted.** Address Information Type Street Address City State Zip Primary Out Of State Chesterfield NH 63466 Campus/School Information Role Name Street City State Zip None Identification SOR # 20016465 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MDOC: Known Alias(es) None Known Scars/Marks/Tattoos None xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Offender Detail Michigan.gov HomeMSP Home | MSP Site Map | Contact MSP | MSP FAQ Offender Name Peter William Mousseau *** COMPLIANT *** Physical Characteristics Gender: Male Eyes: Blue Race: White Hair: Brown DOB: 02/15/1970 Height: 5' 05 Age: 40 Weight: 170 lbs Registration Details Status: Compliant Last Verification Date: Not Available Date of Initial Registration: 06/07/2010 Date of Registration Expiration: 06/07/2035 Michigan Public Sex Offender Registry (PSOR) Offense Description State Conviction Date Court Name 750.520E Criminal Sexual Conduct 4th Degree (Multiple Variables) MI 04/26/2010 Not Available **This link reflects the current statute and due to continuous legislative changes, may not be indicative of the statute at the time the offender was convicted.** Address Information Type Street Address City State Zip Primary Out Of State Chesterfield NH 63466 Campus/School Information Role Name Street City State Zip None Identification SOR # 20016465 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MDOC: Known Alias(es) None Known Scars/Marks/Tattoos None [/img][/quote] I thought documents like this were not to be posted. Wasn't this why White Knight's posts were deleted?
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Jun 20, 2010 21:25:45 GMT -5
Another thing to go along with this. The 'sensitivity training' that the overseers recently went through very strongly pointed out that they need to take these issues seriously. The fact that the overseers as a group are attending training classes is encouraging. The fact that Barry Barkley was willing to set up an arbitration hearing with an outside source to try and correct an issue with one of the overseers is very encouraging also.I know that some of the overseers are very serious about dealing with these issues as they come up and trying to get back the trust and respect that they need from the members of the truth fellowship. Many of those members are now demanding that their church leaders take responsibility for their actions and the actions of workers in their fields. They are writing letters, sending emails and making phone calls. When the leaders fail to take issues seriously, that is when you see people voting with their feet...... Scott What is your proof of this statement Scott?
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Post by Scott Ross on Jun 20, 2010 21:58:48 GMT -5
I thought documents like this were not to be posted. Wasn't this why White Knight's posts were deleted? No. What he was posting wasn't public information and couldn't be verified. It had also been altered to some extent. (Mainly because it wasn't public) Scott
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Post by Scott Ross on Jun 20, 2010 22:00:51 GMT -5
What is your proof of this statement Scott? Reliable sources that were involved. There has been quite a bit of activity because of this issue, and I continue to follow it with interest. The actions of the other overseers in regard to this matter reveals a lot about how they (individually) tend to react when one of their own is in the hot seat. I am guessing that in the case of some they have gained trust and respect, and in the case of others there is a loss of the same. Just an interesting side note on the arbitrator. He was also a Rabbi. Scott
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Post by jhjmr on Jun 21, 2010 12:12:31 GMT -5
Scott, the documents that White Knight posted were public documents, if you were around to go to the court house and get them. He was trying to be careful of names because, that is what it seemed like everyone had a fit about. And, you can not post minor names. There was no altering in the papers. White Knight was a very reliable source of those involved. Maybe everyone didn't like the documents that he posted, but those were court papers that are still available.
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Post by Scott Ross on Jun 21, 2010 12:22:44 GMT -5
Scott, the documents that White Knight posted were public documents, if you were around to go to the court house and get them. He was trying to be careful of names because, that is what it seemed like everyone had a fit about. And, you can not post minor names. There was no altering in the papers. White Knight was a very reliable source of those involved. Maybe everyone didn't like the documents that he posted, but those were court papers that are still available. The documents had been redone by WK. The twins were not minors any longer anyhow, and once their sentences were handed down then their names could be posted. After looking at the original document compared to the one posted, the mods determined to have it removed. I was more than happy when the courts were done with the twins' case. Of course other court actions continue to this day in Michigan, and in fact I hear that there is some testimony in court due today. Scott
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Jun 22, 2010 6:56:27 GMT -5
PM received no jail time. Probation with registration on the list.
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Post by jhjmr on Jun 22, 2010 13:48:58 GMT -5
It was always that a name couldn't be exposed. First name or initials. When did that policy change? It never seemed to make any difference if it was a minor or not. So, White Knight did not alter anything other than trying to go by the rules that was told so many times. The actual facts were absolutely the same. Everyone was extremely happy when the court cases were done with the twins. And a relief to have the minor children returned to their parents. Things that transpired from the religion and the handling of everything, that is not over and it just goes on and on. But, cases are being brought to court and the handling of things are being brought to light which is much better than being deceived. Errors that were committed has been made known and lets hope it just keeps rolling until there is nothing else to hide!! So, as long as progress is being accomplished and people are being held responsibile for their actions, I would say it is a good day!! One big accomplishment would be when people that are assaulted can feel free to come forward and not be afraid of a religion that makes you think that silence is a golden word. How can anyone get satisfaction when they know that a crime was committed and they kept their mouth shut? The overseer might exalt them, but God will not!!
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Post by wolfman on Jun 22, 2010 18:50:27 GMT -5
There was some question as to the age of the young girl that brought the case against PM early in this discussion. She was 11 when this happened. She is to be commended for her bravery in bringing the criminal to justice. And if you need the proof there was an article written in the news paper in big rapids, The Pioneer. I believe you have to pay to view it on-line but if anyone needs any proof of his wrong doing I will be happy to email you the article. Unless you have ever had an experience like this happen to you you will NEVER understand what the victim goes through. And it is something she will have to live with FOREVER. His probation 5 years and a suspended jail sentence, the registry. All that sounds good but the victim can NEVER erase those memories. In your post about this please remember the victim. One more side note, this wasn't something that the courts just threw together on a whim, there is plenty of evidence against him that was sealed by the court due to the sensitivity of it, I know, I was in the court room when the judge ordered it sealed. So please don't underestimate the courts response to this case.
signed, The Loving Husband of the Victim
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Post by emy on Jun 22, 2010 20:46:46 GMT -5
There was some question as to the age of the young girl that brought the case against PM early in this discussion. She was 11 when this happened. She is to be commended for her bravery in bringing the criminal to justice. And if you need the proof there was an article written in the news paper in big rapids, The Pioneer. I believe you have to pay to view it on-line but if anyone needs any proof of his wrong doing I will be happy to email you the article. Unless you have ever had an experience like this happen to you you will NEVER understand what the victim goes through. And it is something she will have to live with FOREVER. His probation 5 years and a suspended jail sentence, the registry. All that sounds good but the victim can NEVER erase those memories. In your post about this please remember the victim. One more side note, this wasn't something that the courts just threw together on a whim, there is plenty of evidence against him that was sealed by the court due to the sensitivity of it, I know, I was in the court room when the judge ordered it sealed. So please don't underestimate the courts response to this case. signed, The Loving Husband of the Victim I'm sorry your wife had this awful experience. I'm a bit confused about the sealing of the evidence ordered by the judge. Was it something that could have resulted in PM getting a more severe sentence? If so, why would it be sealed?
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Post by wolfman on Jun 22, 2010 21:09:54 GMT -5
The judge saw and used the document however due to the graphic nature of the document and that it involved a minor it was sealed so that it can't be made available to the public.
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Post by survive on Jun 22, 2010 21:39:35 GMT -5
Nathan9 You must not have read up on these people, they CANNOT be cured. Nice of you to quote scripture but in this situation the best thing is he NEVER in his life has access to youngg girls. Do you really believe he can be cured. Forgiveness is one thing but mental illness can't always go away.
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Post by rational on Jun 23, 2010 0:37:18 GMT -5
Nathan9 You must not have read up on these people, they CANNOT be cured. Nice of you to quote scripture but in this situation the best thing is he NEVER in his life has access to youngg girls. Do you really believe he can be cured. Forgiveness is one thing but mental illness can't always go away. This is certainly the way the problem has been presented but is there data to back this up? The popular perception of incurable sex criminals may be quite off the mark.Treatment has been shown to be very effective. Quoting media reports and popular beliefs is not doing anyone any good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2010 7:33:33 GMT -5
Good article rational, thanks. It shows that progress is being made in this area. However, I think we are still a long way from being able to reduce our vigilance. That was an expensive article though.....I bought a subscription.
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Jun 23, 2010 8:27:44 GMT -5
Even treatment misses the mark sometimes. I believe this could come from the attitude that has been prevalent everywhere of ignoring this problem or covering it up. The fortunate are the ones that have seen some form of justice done. The unfortunate in the world are those who have suffered in silence never to be heard. This is not just isolated to the f&w but the world at large.
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Post by What Hat on Jun 23, 2010 9:26:03 GMT -5
That seems like an over-reaction. From our point of view, perhaps...although to be fair, it will all depend on the level of trust that has been broken as to how much reaction will commence....I can readily see the pain of such trust being broken and it does come with a grave price for all parties considered! When a person loves and trust unquestioningly and does this for a majority of one's life and then when that trust is unrequivacately broken one wonders just how much of their life has been spent in vain because of this broken trust that actually had been broken all along, but the person doing the trusting was innocently trusting...having no idea such trust-breaking was going on! Actually it's kind of like a one-sided relationship, it turns out to be futile and cold and lonely and a lot of pain in it. I understand. I've never trusted workers, friends, and the structure of the fellowship to the extent that some individuals have. That's because I was taught that no human organization can ever fully rise above sin in life, and I had that going into the fellowship. I realize now that that protected me (and my family) in some ways. I am still very wary of the dangers of 'too much trust' exhibited in some individuals in the fellowship. I feel they might be shattered by some of the revelations of ill-doing. I personally don't have all that much problem with those revelations because you will read the same thing in the NT and the OT. And it will bring us back to earth in some respects. Also, going forward, I think the next generation will not have the same expectations from the fellowship, and it's also sad that some of the spiritual zealousness will be lost as an inevitable result.
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Post by What Hat on Jun 23, 2010 9:28:59 GMT -5
I thought documents like this were not to be posted. Wasn't this why White Knight's posts were deleted? No. What he was posting wasn't public information and couldn't be verified. It had also been altered to some extent. (Mainly because it wasn't public) Scott Was it not information that could be requested by any member of the public, thus public information?
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Post by What Hat on Jun 23, 2010 9:31:27 GMT -5
Scott, the documents that White Knight posted were public documents, if you were around to go to the court house and get them. He was trying to be careful of names because, that is what it seemed like everyone had a fit about. And, you can not post minor names. There was no altering in the papers. White Knight was a very reliable source of those involved. Maybe everyone didn't like the documents that he posted, but those were court papers that are still available. The documents had been redone by WK. The twins were not minors any longer anyhow, and once their sentences were handed down then their names could be posted. After looking at the original document compared to the one posted, the mods determined to have it removed. I was more than happy when the courts were done with the twins' case. Of course other court actions continue to this day in Michigan, and in fact I hear that there is some testimony in court due today. Scott I don't want to look it up, but I was surprised to see you post those documents, as I think the WK rejection was other than him altering the document.
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Post by What Hat on Jun 23, 2010 9:34:20 GMT -5
Nathan9 You must not have read up on these people, they CANNOT be cured. Nice of you to quote scripture but in this situation the best thing is he NEVER in his life has access to youngg girls. Do you really believe he can be cured. Forgiveness is one thing but mental illness can't always go away. We don't actually know that he is a pedophile. Some child sexual offenders are not, and I've seen varying guesses on the percentage.
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Post by What Hat on Jun 23, 2010 9:45:35 GMT -5
There was some question as to the age of the young girl that brought the case against PM early in this discussion. She was 11 when this happened. She is to be commended for her bravery in bringing the criminal to justice. And if you need the proof there was an article written in the news paper in big rapids, The Pioneer. I believe you have to pay to view it on-line but if anyone needs any proof of his wrong doing I will be happy to email you the article. Unless you have ever had an experience like this happen to you you will NEVER understand what the victim goes through. And it is something she will have to live with FOREVER. His probation 5 years and a suspended jail sentence, the registry. All that sounds good but the victim can NEVER erase those memories. In your post about this please remember the victim. One more side note, this wasn't something that the courts just threw together on a whim, there is plenty of evidence against him that was sealed by the court due to the sensitivity of it, I know, I was in the court room when the judge ordered it sealed. So please don't underestimate the courts response to this case. signed, The Loving Husband of the Victim Absolutely great courage. It's happened times before and not been taken to its logical conclusion. Ultimately, she's done a service not only to potential victims of this perpetrator, but has served to increase awareness of the potential danger to children within the fellowship. All parents and children within the fellowship should be grateful. Although there is pain in the short run at learning of this, this is so much better in the long run. She has put the capital T on truth. Thanks also for posting, wolfman, and reminding all of us of the victim's plight and to keep her within our thoughts and prayers, and also our discussion here.
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Post by What Hat on Jun 23, 2010 9:49:41 GMT -5
Good article rational, thanks. It shows that progress is being made in this area. However, I think we are still a long way from being able to reduce our vigilance. That was an expensive article though.....I bought a subscription. The British magazine 'New Scientist' is so much better, but then British magazines are almost always better than their American counterparts.
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Post by Scott Ross on Jun 23, 2010 12:28:40 GMT -5
Here is the newspaper article that appeared in the Pioneer yesterday. I have removed the name of the lady referred to here on this thread.
BIG RAPIDS – A 40-year-old New Hampshire man must register as a sex offender for fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct that he committed during the fall of 1993 with a then-11-year-old girl in Fork Township.
xxxxxx 28, of Mount Pleasant, said she was 11 years old when Peter William Mousseau, who was living in her childhood home in Fork Township through a non-denominational Christian group, molested her in her basement.
On Monday, Mousseau, of West Chesterfield, N.H., was sentenced to five years on probation in Mecosta County’s 49th Circuit Court. As part of his probation, Mousseau must register as a sex offender and is prohibited from having contact with children, said Mecosta County Assistant Prosecutor Brian Thiede. Mousseau pleaded guilty to criminal sexual conduct in April. In accordance with a plea agreement, Mecosta County prosecutors dismissed a charge of second-degree criminal sexual conduct on Monday. Mousseau was sentenced to 4.5 months in jail, but that jail time will be suspended provided he successfully abides by the terms of his probation.
“The sentence was appropriate given the circumstances, being that he’ll be under supervision,” xxxxxx said. “That’s really my main goal; to keep society safer.”
xxxxxx added that there could be other victims. The Pioneer typically does not identify victims of sexual assault. xxxxxx, however, wanted to share her story.
Thiede said county prosecutors were tipped off to the incident through the investigation of allegations of Mousseau’s alleged sexual misconduct with other young girls.
A member of the same non-denominational ministry, Darren Jay Briggs, 36, was sentenced in February to six months in jail in Huron County for fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct, according to the Huron Daily Tribune.
Briggs had been staying in the Bingham Township home in late 2006.
Criminal sexual conduct was not consistent with the organizations’ religious practices, Thiede said.
------------ Nico Rubello Pioneer Staff Writer
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Post by rational on Jun 23, 2010 12:55:05 GMT -5
Good article rational, thanks. It shows that progress is being made in this area. However, I think we are still a long way from being able to reduce our vigilance. That was an expensive article though.....I bought a subscription. I believe parents, and responsible adults, need too be ever vigilant. But more to the point, parents need to educate their children since, at the end of the day, it is the children that take the point. They have often been contacted long before the parents are aware. It is difficult for children to explain what is happening when the parents have made it clear that discussions with sexual content are to be avoided. I was surprised at the number of people who believed that people convicted of sexual abuse crimes could not be cured. Although from many published sources it was clear that they actually had lower rates of recidivism than other crimes.
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Jun 23, 2010 12:56:57 GMT -5
how did Darren get dragged into this article? Did this reporter have some help with info?
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Post by sharonw on Jun 23, 2010 13:43:28 GMT -5
Nathan9 You must not have read up on these people, they CANNOT be cured. Nice of you to quote scripture but in this situation the best thing is he NEVER in his life has access to youngg girls. Do you really believe he can be cured. Forgiveness is one thing but mental illness can't always go away. We don't actually know that he is a pedophile. Some child sexual offenders are not, and I've seen varying guesses on the percentage. Say what! Please explain what you mean....
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