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Post by Change is due on Sept 26, 2004 20:16:31 GMT -5
It is interesting that you put such stock in mans "current knowledge" that you apparently consider it to be absolute truth. Robb I do know that the earth does move. I do know that it is not the center of the uiniverse. It seems that you accept all of the bible as the absolute truth to be followed without question. Do you wear clothing of mixed content?(Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.) Does your roof have a battlement (When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.)? Or do you pick and choose which of God's commandments to follow?
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Post by Robb Klaty on Sept 27, 2004 8:12:37 GMT -5
You are correct, however I also try to apply hermenutically sound principles when interpreting or applying Scripture. Basically put, that means looking at the context of what we are reading, in light of the whole of Scripture. For that reason I do not observe the ceremonial law for example having been fulfilled in Christ. I am currently working through this question myself because if the laws are applicable today I need to be following them... not to earn salvation, but because it is the desire of my heart to be obediant. Btw, if lived on my roof as in the OT days... I would indeed make a railing on it so that no one would fall off. The principles of the OT laws do apply today, even if the specific applications may have changed.
Robb
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Post by I see on Sept 27, 2004 18:08:57 GMT -5
You are correct, however I also try to apply hermenutically sound principles when interpreting or applying Scripture. There is the pitfall - sound according to who? Again, who would be deciding if it is ceremonial or not? I see danger in this approach because you are using your judgement to discover the right or wrong thing rather than accepting all as absolute. And hell is not all that pleasent. Don't you think the motivation behind most people is the crackling flames of hell? If I recall the passage correctly it had very little wiggle-room. If you build a house it should have the roof railing. You don't think this was a ceremonial law, do you? Robb [/quote]
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Post by Robb Klaty on Sept 27, 2004 19:50:19 GMT -5
It appears that you misunderstand biblical hermenutics. I would suggest looking at chistianbooks.com for books that will offer a more in depth study, however most of it is common sense. For example you can not take something literally that was meant to be alogorical, etc. Also, we look at the context when reading... if Jesus commanded a specific person in a specific situation to do a specific act, does not necessaily mean that the command applys to all people in all situations.
No, I don't see this as cerimonial law. I see that the principle behind this specific law does indeed apply today. It has to do with safety. It is the reason that I would put a railing on a second story belcony if I ever owned such a house. If I failed to take such a precaution I would be responsible for any mishap wouldn't I? Similarily, the laws having to do with an "ox" have principles behind them that apply to our non-ox animals. The legalistic among us may suggest that these laws only apply to those who have oxen but I am not so sure.
Robb
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Post by Robb Klaty on Sept 28, 2004 6:25:43 GMT -5
I am not sure what motivates people... maybe you could help by explaining what motivates you. I think that the reality of hell may have motivated me to seek God before I was saved, but it is my desire for obediance to His word for His glorification that seems to be my motivation nowadays. Again, I can't speak for you or others.
Robb
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Post by To Rob on Sept 28, 2004 7:37:40 GMT -5
It appears that you misunderstand biblical hermenutics. Oh I think not. You can call it what you wish but it is still the art of interpretation and requires human thought to determine Divine meaning. To get a more balanced view it might be of more help to study the works of Friedrich Schleiermacher, Wilhelm Dilthey, and Hans-Georg Gadamer to gain a more global view and then narrow your focus. On these message boards not to long ago there was a discussion about turning the other cheek. Is it to be taken literally? Was it an allegory? Was it meant just for the group Jesus was talking to?
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Post by Robb Klaty on Sept 28, 2004 18:56:47 GMT -5
Yup, and thankfully God gives His people the ability (although limited) to interpret and apply His word.
I wonder if you really want to know or if you would rather make some sort of point about it. As I have said, I certainly do not know the answers to all of the questions (and probably never will), however I do believe II Tim 3.16 and will hopefully never stop asking, seeking and knocking for as long as I live. Will you join me in studying the Scriptures to learn more fully God's will? We could both benefit from a more clear understanding of God's will and purpose for our lives as well as a deeper understanding of His principles and precepts that ought to govern our lives.
Robb
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Post by GuestToo on Oct 4, 2004 23:08:39 GMT -5
Unconditional love is the way to help yourself, your child, and your relationship. The people who condemn homosexuality are bent on hatred for a sin they've decided is such because of their narrow interpretation. They feel threatened by a personal behavior of others that is none of their business anyways and isn't hurting them. It's just like when people used the bible to justify separation of the races, slavery, etc. There are support groups for relatives of gay and lesbian people which you might find helpful.
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Post by gay is bad on Oct 5, 2004 12:32:05 GMT -5
I think the best thing to do with a child that you find out is gay is to shut them out of your life. Obvously this is a bad person anyways because they have had a failed marriage. Just cut them off and then you can move on.
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Post by Professin on Oct 5, 2004 18:58:28 GMT -5
Gay is Bad I feel for your children if you have any. One day you may have some that needs shown mercy!!!!
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