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Post by k on Jun 28, 2004 12:49:21 GMT -5
Another Hollywood freak making money about a tragedy that only occured less than 3 years ago. Michael Moore is a pitiful joke. I don't even want to see this movie. It isn't worth 5 cents. Just telling it like I see it.
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Post by To the sheep Baaaaaaa on Jun 28, 2004 13:33:47 GMT -5
Another Hollywood freak making money about a tragedy that only occured less than 3 years ago. Michael Moore is a pitiful joke. I don't even want to see this movie. It isn't worth 5 cents. Just telling it like I see it. How did you come to the conclusion about its value? How are you telling it as you see it when you haven't seen it? You should try thinking for your self about things. See the movie and then your comments will carry some weight.
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Post by bryan2 on Jun 28, 2004 14:16:19 GMT -5
How did you come to the conclusion about its value? How are you telling it as you see it when you haven't seen it? You should try thinking for your self about things. See the movie and then your comments will carry some weight. I came to the conclusion of the value of Mein Kampf without reading it, in the same way i came to the conclusion of the value of Fahrenheit 9/11 without watching it... Much can be known of what is being said by knowing who is saying it...
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Post by Guarp on Jun 28, 2004 14:45:19 GMT -5
I came to the conclusion of the value of Mein Kampf without reading it, in the same way i came to the conclusion of the value of Fahrenheit 9/11 without watching it... Much can be known of what is being said by knowing who is saying it... You judged Mein Kampf based on the acts of Hitler himself, which I can understand. Michael Moore is a not a dictator but a reporter who is telling his story or "acting" by making a documentary. I haven't seen it yet, so I can't judge it. Right now I am just curious to see what all the uproar is all about, even though I can tell you I don't like Michael Moore!
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Post by bryan2 on Jun 28, 2004 15:25:40 GMT -5
Michael Moore is not a reporter, but rather a Propagandist.
He made a Propaganda film, not a documentary.... which is his right.... However let's call it what it is and not lable it something it is not...
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Post by Guarp on Jun 28, 2004 15:52:31 GMT -5
He made a Propaganda film, not a documentary.... which is his right.... However let's call it what it is and not lable it something it is not... If you think this is propaganda, I would say some of the campaign ads in the States would also qualify for that statement.
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Post by Just Here on Jun 28, 2004 15:57:29 GMT -5
I came to the conclusion of the value of Mein Kampf without reading it, in the same way i came to the conclusion of the value of Fahrenheit 9/11 without watching it... The value of Mein Kampf has nothing to do with the actions of Hitler. Throughout the bible we read of people who did terrible deeds yet we do not discount reading the passages. As to Fahrenheit 9/11, it is just another view on events in the recent past. You do not have to agree with the creator of the piece. You do not have to agree with all of the conclusions reached. Some of the information is factual. Easy to verify. Some is pure BS. Easy to discredit. But the sum of the parts - you should really draw your own conclusions. It was the number one film when it was released. A lot of people who have seen the film will have points to add. Somewhere in the back of my mind I see the words "book" and "judge" and something about a "cover". Certainly glad no one on these message board would ever accuse anyone of forming opinions about things that have gone on just because of who is in the current administration!
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Post by Ed on Jun 29, 2004 9:20:10 GMT -5
Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" broke records this weekend, becoming the first documentary to debut as Hollywood's top weekend film — but there are holes in the controversial film's story. For instance, in one often-showed clip, Moore claims that President Bush was on vacation 42 percent of the time during his first several months in office — but that estimation included weekends at Camp David, a common practice for presidents. Without those days figured in, Bush actually spent 13 percent of his time on vacation. The movie also criticizes Bush for staying inside a Florida classroom full of kids for a full seven minutes after he learned that the country was under attack on Sept. 11, 2001. However, the vice chairman of the Sept. 11 commission has said that Bush did the right thing. "Bush made the right decision in remaining calm, in not rushing out of the classroom," said Lee Hamilton, a former Democratic congressman from Indiana. In "Fahrenheit 9/11" Moore also claims that the White House approved plans for planes to pick up relatives of Usama Bin Laden right after the attacks. But according to terrorism czar Richard Clarke, he alone approved the Saudi flights. In addition, Moore says that the departing Saudis were not properly processed by the FBI when leaving the country. That too is contradicted by the Sept. 11 commission, which said the Saudis were properly interviewed. Finally, Moore shows prominent members of the Taliban visiting Texas, implying that they were invited by then-Governor Bush. The Taliban delegation, however, was invited to Houston by UNOCAL, a California energy company. Moore also doesn't mention that the visit was made with the permission of the Clinton administration, which twice met with Taliban members — in 1997 and 1998. www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124079,00.html
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Post by Question on Jun 29, 2004 18:01:56 GMT -5
How do we know how accurate their report is?
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Post by bryan2 on Jun 29, 2004 18:12:19 GMT -5
How do we know how accurate their report is? How do we know how accurate your post about thier report is?
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Post by inatent on Jun 29, 2004 23:44:49 GMT -5
If you think this is propaganda, I would say some of the campaign ads in the States would also qualify for that statement. They are supposed to be propaganda; everyone understands that. Unfortunately, many people believe MM's work is fact. inatent
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Post by Question on Jun 30, 2004 1:09:11 GMT -5
They are supposed to be propaganda; everyone understands that. Unfortunately, many people believe MM's work is fact. inatent Does "everyone" think that his work is 100% fictitious propaganda? No.
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Post by Guarp on Jun 30, 2004 2:40:07 GMT -5
They are supposed to be propaganda; everyone understands that. Unfortunately, many people believe MM's work is fact. The word propaganda still has some negative kind of connotation that makes me think of war propaganda, like performed by Hitler in the 30s en 40s. That's a reason I don't like the word "propaganda" that much. Some of todays' political ads will easily classify as "propaganda". Moore's work apparently has just one aim: to get Bush out of his office as soon as possible.
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