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Post by prue on Jun 25, 2006 7:08:40 GMT -5
hi Cherie from Prue - sorry if we appear to target you - we are not
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Post by Rob O on Jun 25, 2006 20:56:46 GMT -5
Yes, I read those notes. They aren't any more convincing the second time around. It's the same old, same old - no exegesis, no teaching, just self-aggrandizing allegory.
So you obviously think that Linda must serve at a false altar for you clearly believe you serve at the true altar. I guess that equates to you thinking Linda serves a false Christ.
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Post by rumors on Jun 25, 2006 23:16:37 GMT -5
I have heard rumors that "teenager" has been in his teens for at least 35 years. Right "teenager"?
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Post by Bert on Jun 26, 2006 1:20:01 GMT -5
Rob, you wrote "self-aggrandizing allegory." Hey! I could use that line! But, not really. If Kobus is like any worker I know, most of his sermons would relate more directly to the preaching of the New Testament Gospel. Someone obviously selected that one to post on this board as it impinges directly on the debate here about grace and obedience. I am not saying that Linda serves a false Christ - I am saying that Christ means something different to each of us. We have our own opinions, and are moved in different ways by different things - as was the case with the Catholic nuns and Kobus. Bert.
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Post by Fred on Jun 26, 2006 4:13:38 GMT -5
I have been in a meeting where Jakobus used this sermon. Here are some impressions that remained with me:
......in speaking about the nuns he gave me the impression that he respected their gift but did say that they have some beliefs that we don't agree with.
...... I came away understanding that he was speaking about Jesus being the NT "altar".....only by coming to him is our gift able to be "sanctified". There did not seem to be an emphasis on the altar of obedience line.
FWIW, he also has a sermon about the Bushmen of Africa. He gave me the distinct impression that he would not discount salvation for them because of their great respect for a greater being.( Someone might have this sermon also and be able to post it).
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Post by pamd on Jun 26, 2006 4:20:29 GMT -5
Cherie, In answer to your original Question...Ask kids out west, CA, the first indicator was always appearance. You could get fooled by a Penatcostal the for she might just hase little earing tucked in. The men, without their women, who knows. If the appearance passed the test, it was safe to ask if the knew Tharold Sylvester or Dick Middleton. That usually worked. But if you saw one of the "friends" and if either of you were not "properly dressed for a professing woman," well it was always best to just duck into the next aisle to avoid an uncomfortable situation. I am now an "outsider" with short hair and feel more comfy in slacks. I have seen "friends" that we used to meet with, at a distance, very few will spare more than a "hello, How are you?" and off the go.
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 26, 2006 4:29:13 GMT -5
I have heard rumors that "teenager" has been in his teens for at least 35 years. Right "teenager"? Coming 36 years now. Eternal youth
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Post by Bert on Jun 26, 2006 5:53:46 GMT -5
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 26, 2006 6:00:58 GMT -5
Hey teenager, so, you have been fooling us too! Lots of dodgey people on this board Bert Sorry Bert.. I was joking about 36 years, I am infact a teenager! I have repeated it till im blue in the face!
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Post by junia on Jun 26, 2006 8:06:20 GMT -5
I am not saying that Linda serves a false Christ - I am saying that Christ means something different to each of us. We have our own opinions, and are moved in different ways by different things - as was the case with the Catholic nuns and Kobus. Bert. Bert, Let me try this one. I currently attend the f&w fellowship meetings. Do you accept me as a brother in Christ?
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Post by Bert on Jun 26, 2006 8:25:29 GMT -5
Hi Junia. Wow, you folks throw some curved balls!
I don't know you - and I would have to read your postings to grasp who you are. If we come to the same altar, share the same views and have the same spirit, (do you?) then why not?
This business of brothers and sisters in Christ - it is all about loyalty, isn't it? When you see F&W's on this board who are not loyal to their profession, are they brothers and sisters to you anymore?
Bert
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Post by jxr on Jun 26, 2006 9:12:28 GMT -5
Hi Junia. Wow, you folks throw some curved balls! I don't know you - and I would have to read your postings to grasp who you are. If we come to the same altar, share the same views and have the same spirit, (do you?) then why not? This business of brothers and sisters in Christ - it is all about loyalty, isn't it? When you see F&W's on this board who are not loyal to their profession, are they brothers and sisters to you anymore? Bert F&W's not loyal to their profession? What do you profess, Bert? Jesus is your Lord and Saviour? Yes? No? Are you trying to add further strings to this?
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Post by junia on Jun 26, 2006 9:16:13 GMT -5
I don't know you - and I would have to read your postings to grasp who you are. If we come to the same altar, share the same views and have the same spirit, (do you?) then why not?
Great. Then why is it so difficult for you to answer Rob's question regarding accepting Linda as a sister in Christ? I accept her gladly, why can't you?
This business of brothers and sisters in Christ - it is all about loyalty, isn't it?
No, it's about who we believe in. My brothers and sisters in Christ include all of the true believers, regardless of church fellowship affiliation. I can't identify them all, but God knows his elect.
When you see F&W's on this board who are not loyal to their profession, are they brothers and sisters to you anymore?
As long as their faith is in God I accept them. They may or may not be loyal to the 2x2 system.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 26, 2006 9:30:29 GMT -5
bert subscribes to the logical fallacy that 2x2ism is the sum of Christ's universal church. He has yet to acknowledge as a brother of sister in Christ any Christian who is not a 2x2. bert's faith is in 2x2ism.
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Post by guest111 on Jun 26, 2006 9:56:44 GMT -5
bert subscribes to the logical fallacy that 2x2ism is the sum of Christ's universal church. He has yet to acknowledge as a brother of sister in Christ any Christian who is not a 2x2. bert's faith is in 2x2ism. 2x2ism = God's truth (following Jesus) , Recognizing the manner and way that Jesus sent His disciples.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 26, 2006 9:58:50 GMT -5
Like I said. . .faith in 2x2ism, instead of in Christ, and only Christ.
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Post by junia on Jun 26, 2006 10:34:18 GMT -5
~~ Junia, Don't you also attend other churches at the same time you go to the 2x2s meetings? Exactly how would that have any relevance to this topic?
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 26, 2006 10:38:56 GMT -5
~~ Junia, Don't you also attend other churches at the same time you go to the 2x2s meetings? Exactly how would that have any relevance to this topic? I don't understand Junia, what keeps you going to fellowship meetings? it seems you don't agree with an awful lot.
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Post by junia on Jun 26, 2006 10:42:34 GMT -5
I have my reasons which really are no business of yours. But I am curious that you say I "don't agree with an awful lot". Could you maybe bring these to my attention and I'll be happy to discuss them with you.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 26, 2006 10:44:49 GMT -5
Do you participate their communion or eucharist when you attend those churches Heaven forbid that a Christian share communion with another Christian. That would be wrong...
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Post by junia on Jun 26, 2006 10:46:50 GMT -5
Yes, it is relevance.... You can do whatever you want. Do you participate their communion or eucharist when you attend those churches, Junia. Let me ask again. Exactly how would that have any relevance to this topic? If you can answer that question satisfactorily I'll take it further.
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Post by junia on Jun 26, 2006 10:48:15 GMT -5
Heaven forbid that a Christian share communion with another Christian. That would be wrong... LOL Thanks for the laugh!
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Post by junia on Jun 26, 2006 10:50:43 GMT -5
Many of us have read your posts for awhile now so we know what Teenager is talking about. That is O.K. Junia.... We just don't understand why you write things the way you do now we know. Maybe you know what teenager is talking about, but I'm in the dark. Could you please fill me in? Thanks in advance.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 26, 2006 10:59:43 GMT -5
Junia,
Nathan isn't going to answer your question. Save your breath.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 26, 2006 11:01:02 GMT -5
I was attending Wed. night, Sunday morning, evening services and going to the 2x2s Gospel meetings at the same time. After much of praying I decided just attending the 2x2 Gospel meetings. Just couldn't bring yourself to give testimony anymore, eh?
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Post by junia on Jun 26, 2006 11:01:03 GMT -5
LOL Thanks for the laugh! So you do share communion with them? hey, that is your choice, bud. Do what you think is right for you. I haven't said whether I did or didn't yet. Earlier you asked this. Today at 11:01, Nathan9 wrote: ~~ Junia, Don't you also attend other churches at the same time you go to the 2x2s meetings? I asked you this. Exactly how would that have any relevance to this topic? I repeat. Exactly how would that have any relevance to this topic?
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Post by junia on Jun 26, 2006 11:03:57 GMT -5
Junia, Nathan isn't going to answer your question. Save your breath. I know but it's fun watching him evade answering.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 26, 2006 11:07:50 GMT -5
There's your answer, Junia... he says it does. And we have to take him at his word since he is the official 2x2 online worker who only goes to gospel meetings to avoid having to give testimony.
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