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Post by cers on Apr 10, 2004 7:15:10 GMT -5
Any parent who signs for their child to get his permit/driver's license under age 18 is asking for trouble. Don't come crying to me when YOU were the ones who signed for him/her to drive! Yeah buddy! You are attempting murder! There is nowhere in the ocnstitution that states that driving is a right. We don't allow 16 year olds to vote, join the military and other things so WHY THE HELL IS DRIVING A RIGHT! Teens lack coordination. They think a car is a toy! They are too immature. Silly mothers sometimes think THEIR child is mature. Nonesense. You cannot see immaturity in your child because he or she is precious to you. Save lives! STOP UNDERAGE driving.
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Post by botany on Apr 11, 2004 0:18:53 GMT -5
So, cers, what happened to you to make you so upset? My guess is that some teen driver was driving a bit recklessly and hit your car? Or something very similar to that? I'll wait for your response before continuing. andy
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Post by Sylvestra on Apr 11, 2004 0:34:28 GMT -5
Sorry Cers, I can't agree with you here. I started driving because I had a job to go to. My children started driving at 16 for the same reason. My daughter started some college classes at 16 and also had to drive to college at that age. At 16 each of my kids had the responsibility of grocery shopping, courier for my business, etc. So I'm not sure what kids you are seeing, but all of them are NOT irresponsible little jerks! I'm sorry if you do not had wonderful kids in your life that would cause you to see things differently than your posts reflect. All I can say, is 'TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND RELAX A BIT!" Regards, Edy
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Post by To Edy on Apr 20, 2004 16:49:46 GMT -5
Parents can transport 16 and 17 year olds. I don't know your situation. But when did driving become a right? 16 year olds treat a car like a toy! All the showing off and goofing off behind the wheel. We won't allow them to vote but we trust them behind the wheel of a 2 ton car moving 60 miles per hour.
I have argued that some people try too hard to make adolescents into adults. Let them be children for another year. Getting jobs and cars only leads to adult stress! Life is too damn short!
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Post by hinds on Apr 20, 2004 22:04:47 GMT -5
I have seen many people over 21 "hotdog" in their cars also.... not just "teens". Many mid lifers have to have their hotrods and camaros and vets too.
By the way, my husband and I have had 3 brand new cars totaled - thats right - totaled, and they were all under a year old at the time... by 3 male drivers over 70.
I don't feel safe on the road in most age groups now a days...I drive on the defensive - keep my eyes not only on the road but on the other drivers.
Peace.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2004 8:59:34 GMT -5
There are several reasons why adults might be opposed to youthful drivers. Surely there are many more reasons why adults should not be opposed to youthful drivers on no other basis than their age.
Those who remember their own irresponsiblity as a youthful driver, might believe all youthful drivers were the same. Others, remembering themselves as "more responsible" than all their youthful peers can easily mature with the same erroneous opinion on the matter.
Statistics do not favor the argument that ALL (or even a large majority) of youthful drivers are irresponsible and dangerous drivers. Novices, yes, but irresponsible and dangerous, no. Their visual perception, reflexes etc. are often at their very peak.
Perhaps one key to youthful vehicular safety is in proper education and training, with youthful drivers being allowed to gain experience and learn responsibility as young as possible. It is hardly the fault of youthful drivers if they are never really taught respect for others and responsibility for their own actions and then are suddenly of legal age to operate a vehicle without having ever learned those qualities previously.
Recently I commented in the presence of some others my age, or older, that I've chosen, because of a medical condition combined with medicines labeled with "do not drive warnings" to not to drive unless absolutely essential, and then only if I've not had such meds for the past 12 hours. The response? None of those with whom I was visiting thought anything amiss with continuing to drive despite such handicaps and medicine restrictions! I was amazed.
Later, to just see the mindset of the group, I raised the topic of driving after consuming intoxicants. It was no surprise to me that the group held the same view that it was no big thing, and everyone knew when they were too drunk to drive! Again, amazing!
The point I wish to make is that all adults do not believe as that group of people, nor does even a majority of adults. Likewise neither are all youthful drivers deserving to be restricted because of the irresponsibility of some.
An answer to any youthful driver problem for me is much like what is found in getting one's pilot's licence and additional flight certifications. Education, logged hours first with a fully licensed pilot, and then solo, without other passengers. In my opinion, professional driving education/training should be required for all additional driving certifications beyond the initial basic driver's license, for such things as: pulling a trailer, operating mulit-axle vehicles, and such like, with near zero tolerance for violation of any of the rules of safety for vehicle operation.
The same policy should continue throughout life. For example, this allowing three DUI/DWI's before loss of license is absolutely rediculous. Zero tolerance should be the policy about such things, and their driving privileges restored only after a lengthy zero tolerance loss of those privileges, be they 16-year-olds or 50-year-olds.
We can teach pilots to abide by zero tolerance for ignoring the safety rules, why shouldn't the same be taught to vehicle drivers right from the beginning? Sure, there will still be those who violate those rules, but they should know that when they are caught, complete loss of privilege will be the result. Acoiuntability/Responsibility prudence and consideration for others should be as essential for vehicle operation as it is for aircraft operation.
Just some opinions from one who learned to fly before learning to drive.
Sincerely,
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Post by cers on May 3, 2004 20:36:13 GMT -5
I wished we would allow 16 and 17 year olds to be children. We push them too damn hard to be grownups! Let them be children. Hell they will be adults quick enough. The jobs and cars only increase stress and takes away from their education. They are still children.
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Post by Kathy on May 3, 2004 23:54:29 GMT -5
How does driving make them grow up too soon? Each kid is going to be a different story so why not play it by ear? Why lump them all into one pigeon hole and say they are too immature to behave like adults?
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Post by botany on May 4, 2004 12:49:43 GMT -5
I wished we would allow 16 and 17 year olds to be children. We push them too damn hard to be grownups! Let them be children. Hell they will be adults quick enough. The jobs and cars only increase stress and takes away from their education. They are still children. If you're worried about children growing up too soon, which I also sorta worry about, why not turn our attention to the younger age kids, such as elementary age and younger? That's what I'm more worried about. Let the younger kids play outside with friends in the park or backyard. Let them come home from school and play outside. Let them be carefree. By the time they get to 16 or 17, why not let them grow up? It is a very natural response to want to grow up (in the sense that they want to be "independent", which is fairly vague and a catch-all idea) at that age, and I believe it is wrong to quelch that response. But, I do agree that we should not try to needlessly push 16/17 year olds to grow up, since life experiences ultimately do the "growing up" and at that point in life they are only beginning their real life experiences of reacting to different situations. Yeah, in some cases they are grown up, depending on responsibilities they had to face. But, I'm 25 and I still don't consider myself grown up. I'm not sure when that will come. Yeah, I'm relatively more mature now than I was 10 years ago, but I'm not sure I am grown up. And given what seems to be the current idea of being grown up, I'm not sure I want to ever be grown up. I will always want to retain some of the immature kid inside and let it play. So, cers, I agree and disagree with you. I agree that we should not push our kids to grow up, but lets switch that focus to a younger age rather than on 16/17 year olds. Cars and jobs are a very real part of the real world that they will soon have to live in, and why not let them dabble in it while it is still relatively secure for them? It's a harsh world out there if you've never had any experience, and almost inevitably leads to crashing and burning with no prior experience. Let's focus on emphasizing the reponsibilities that come with a car and a job, and then maybe we'll see that 16/17 year olds will behave better and not so foolishly with cars and jobs. andy
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