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Post by Curious visitor on Jun 22, 2006 11:41:37 GMT -5
I'm new here - just have a few Q's...
1) How long has this board existed? 2) Who ownes it? 3) This moderator (housekeeper?) - who is he? Is he in or out of truth? 4) Has the truth ever tried to shut this (or other? previous?) boards down? 5) Are there any workers on this board? 6) Other boards seem dead - why is this one so busy?
TIA
BTW, i was raised in truth - never professed - left home - glad I'm out
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Post by _ on Jun 22, 2006 11:57:55 GMT -5
1. a few years now
2. dont know
3. believe he is out. This board was created because another board started to require people to sign up to post, which the admin of this board didn't like. and so they created this board because of the other board's requirement.
4. no way possible
5. there have been some active workers on here in the past, but most of the workers on here are former workers
6. because people can come on here and snipe each other in the dark without having to log on. and plus this just became the default board for some reason...
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Post by ilylo on Jun 22, 2006 12:03:49 GMT -5
1) At least 3 years 2) proboards.com 3) Anonymous. Unknown. 4) They couldn't if they tried. 5) Possibly, but they do not identify themselves as such. 6) Good question.
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Post by ian on Jun 22, 2006 12:08:36 GMT -5
This board is so alive because it has serious input from Ilylo.
Without his wit, humour, good natured posts, kind words, lovely spirit, and general good humour, it would also be dead.
We need more such characters to keep it alive, but they are like gold dust, at least in this calibre.
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 22, 2006 12:42:08 GMT -5
This board is so alive because it has serious input from Ilylo. Without his wit, humour, good natured posts, kind words, lovely spirit, and general good humour, it would also be dead. We need more such characters to keep it alive, but they are like gold dust, at least in this calibre. You wouldn't happen to be ilylo?
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Post by ian on Jun 22, 2006 12:44:48 GMT -5
No, I'm not a patch on ilylo. He's wonderful, chancellor, and liverlasting kong.
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 22, 2006 12:57:41 GMT -5
No, I'm not a patch on ilylo. He's wonderful, chancellor, and liverlasting kong. You're entitled to your opinion...
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Post by a believer on Jun 22, 2006 15:53:37 GMT -5
The administrator did post under 'administrator' from time to time but hasn't done so for a while and he had his photo next to his postings. A handsome guy about well ummm, 35?? I understood he was in meetings when he started the board but maybe he has left now.
Around 1996 there was an email list which is still active in which everyone receives an email when someone writes. There was about 250 people on that list at one time. Then there was the professing message board, like this but then they required that people register so this was started and everyone moved to here. Why do I come to this board? Because there are more people on it.
The frustrating thing about this board is that I can never find the thread that I posted on so now I write it down on a piece of paper and then I can't find the paper... Any way of changing that?
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Post by ian on Jun 22, 2006 16:02:41 GMT -5
easy solution register
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Post by Happy Feet on Jun 22, 2006 16:07:07 GMT -5
I am registered although maybe not when writing that post, and that is no solution. It is the same...just the word new comes up when someone posts a new post but nothing to tell me which thread I posted on. Maybe you can show me where it says this and help me out.
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Post by BC on Jun 22, 2006 16:16:21 GMT -5
Go to your profile. That is up the top of the screen underneath your login name. In your profile it has your previous 5 posts.
[shadow=red,left,300]Regards BC[/shadow]
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Post by ilylo on Jun 22, 2006 16:29:00 GMT -5
The 'Bookmark' feature of this forum is also handy at keeping track of threads.
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Post by IS on Jun 22, 2006 18:01:53 GMT -5
No, I'm not a patch on ilylo. He's wonderful, chancellor, and liverlasting kong. Is that King Kong? ;D
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Post by huh on Jun 22, 2006 18:52:28 GMT -5
I'm new here - just have a few Q's... 1) How long has this board existed? What does it matter? What does it matter? What does it matter? What does it matter? What does it matter? What does it matter?
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Post by F32SFF6 on Jun 22, 2006 22:17:35 GMT -5
Curious visitor = arrogant inquisitor
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so why do you even care
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Post by so why do you even care on Jun 22, 2006 23:32:01 GMT -5
BTW, i was raised in truth - never professed - left home - glad I'm out so why do you even care? unwilling then --- unwilling now leave us alone
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Post by questions on Jun 22, 2006 23:41:22 GMT -5
I agree with Ian on Lylo. I appreciate his wit, humor and the way that he looks at things I hope he stays here for a good long time along with alot of other people that I don't always agree with, but that I apprecaite their point of view
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Post by Welcoming committee on Jun 22, 2006 23:55:20 GMT -5
Dear Curious Visitor,
Welcome to hell, or as some of us know it, the TMB (Trash/Mame/Bludgeon).
This place is all about a religion called Truth (or any of another 665 names).
The people here fall into one of three categories: (1) Truth members, born into, raised within, indoctrinated with, and aged to perfection in blind ignorance, incapable of recognizing the fact that they have been, and still are, brainwashed. (2) Ex-Truth members, who now live bitter lives with a shattered illusion of what was once supposed to carry them through life, the rug having been pulled out from under them with the revelation that the only perfect thing in their miserable existence was, in the end-analysis, a colossal fraud. (3) Everyone else.
The first two groups are the loud-mouths, and dominate this place. They are obsessed with destroying each other and themselves. The battle rages on, non-stop, day and night. The smell of blood fills the air. Hatred reigns.
The third group watches and, from time to time, attempts to post something meaningful in the midst of all the hate, only to be shouted down by the war-machine.
As you can see, here at the TMB, a few delight in welcoming newcomers by trivializing their questions, insulting their intelligence, impugning their motives, and taking a Goliath-sized dump on their mothers grave. If you can't take the abuse, do yourself a favor and move along.
Welcome to the TMB.
-Welcoming committee
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Post by LOL on Jun 23, 2006 4:11:44 GMT -5
Dear Curious Visitor, Welcome to hell, or as some of us know it, the TMB (Trash/Mame/Bludgeon). This place is all about a religion called Truth (or any of another 665 names). The people here fall into one of three categories: (1) Truth members, born into, raised within, indoctrinated with, and aged to perfection in blind ignorance, incapable of recognizing the fact that they have been, and still are, brainwashed. (2) Ex-Truth members, who now live bitter lives with a shattered illusion of what was once supposed to carry them through life, the rug having been pulled out from under them with the revelation that the only perfect thing in their miserable existence was, in the end-analysis, a colossal fraud. (3) Everyone else. The first two groups are the loud-mouths, and dominate this place. They are obsessed with destroying each other and themselves. The battle rages on, non-stop, day and night. The smell of blood fills the air. Hatred reigns. The third group watches and, from time to time, attempts to post something meaningful in the midst of all the hate, only to be shouted down by the war-machine. As you can see, here at the TMB, a few delight in welcoming newcomers by trivializing their questions, insulting their intelligence, impugning their motives, and taking a Goliath-sized dump on their mothers grave. If you can't take the abuse, do yourself a favor and move along. Welcome to the TMB. -Welcoming committee
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 23, 2006 4:42:16 GMT -5
I'm new here - just have a few Q's... 1) How long has this board existed? 2) Who ownes it? 3) This moderator (housekeeper?) - who is he? Is he in or out of truth? 4) Has the truth ever tried to shut this (or other? previous?) boards down? 5) Are there any workers on this board? 6) Other boards seem dead - why is this one so busy? TIA BTW, i was raised in truth - never professed - left home - glad I'm out Never professed, glad to be out... hmmm
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Post by unwilling on Jun 23, 2006 6:34:41 GMT -5
BTW, i was raised in truth - never professed - left home - glad I'm out so why do you even care? unwilling then --- unwilling now leave us alone "You were unwilling, you are unwilling." This is an open ended and ambiguous statement. Unwilling for what, exactly? Those of us who have been exposed to the F&Ws for any length of time know what your statement implies, but what does it really mean? In 2x2-speak, it means " unwilling for Christ in our lives", but in actuality, it may mean something as simple as " unwilling to allow a fellow human being to decide for us" whether we should buy a toaster or a TV at the appliance store. Be more specific; unwilling for what? Spell it out. "Leave us alone" is another statement which needs clarification. The original poster did not indicate that he disrupts the meetings of the F&Ws; he merely posts on the internet. How is he bothering you? Stay in the meeting, and off the internet (like the Workers advise), and you won't be bothered by his postings!
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Post by studylearning on Jun 23, 2006 10:34:33 GMT -5
To clarify: "In 2x2-speak, it means "unwilling for Christ in our lives"
Unwilling in 2x2 speak means unwilling to follow without question what the Workers want you to do, think and believe.
If it did not mean that, then there would be positive discussion about doctrine issues and open discussion of WI issues. Since there is little or no compromise to allow friends to express what The Holy Spirit has laid on their hearts, the system is dictatorial. This is not scriptural. The body congregation should have input in all matters of the fellowship. By denying these expressions of faith it is in a sense, telling that brother or sister they are lying or do not know what they are talking about.
I am not proposing that one should be allowed to share something which is far out in left field (obvious error). But, in the context of Christian Spirit learning and openness is essential. The least of them may be the first.
Understand this.
Matthew 20:15-17 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,
Now in this story parable the man came to Jesus (God) by the calling in the last hour. Yet he labored his best in the last hour and received the same reward as the first. Is it required of a man to be with you for a long time before his understanding of Holy things be considered worthy? Is it not God who choses who shall labor for His purpose? Did not this last laborer strictly to do Gods will and was it not for the learning of Gods will.
Luke 7:41-43 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain
41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.
42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?
43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged
And now we see the finish of this thought. If a man comes to Christ by the will of God and repents and then is forgiven; Does not that man have a greater understanding in love for the Grace of God?
I submit that many have walked very hard trails. Their suffering and chastisement was for and through Gods Will. Why then should any servant of God deny the last or least to speak of Gods Love and understanding in their heart?
Perhaps some who speak up are doing Gods Will to bring peace and unity? Will the F&W ever know this if they keep kicking them out or shunning them?
I am just thinking to myself. You don't have to agree or disagree but it does give some food for thought. Meat instead of Milk.
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Post by kelvin on Jun 23, 2006 11:18:08 GMT -5
Studylearning said...
To clarify: "In 2x2-speak, it means "unwilling for Christ in our lives"
Unwilling in 2x2 speak means unwilling to follow without question what the Workers want you to do, think and believe.
If it did not mean that, then there would be positive discussion about doctrine issues and open discussion of WI issues.
Well I have to question your logic here. One point does not NECESSARILY lead to the next. There is the discussion you seek in some parts.
Since there is little or no compromise to allow friends to express what The Holy Spirit has laid on their hearts, the system is dictatorial.
A dictatorial system requires a dictator. Have you identified the dictator? Which individual is it? There are many other outcomes or causes of what you describe than that the system is dictatorial
Perhaps some who speak up are doing Gods Will to bring peace and unity? Will the F&W ever know this if they keep kicking them out or shunning them? There are many who speak up and get changes without doing it in "public". And changes have been made.
I am just thinking to myself. You don't have to agree or disagree but it does give some food for thought. Meat instead of Milk.
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Post by studylearning on Jun 23, 2006 11:50:12 GMT -5
Studylearning said... To clarify: "In 2x2-speak, it means "unwilling for Christ in our lives" Unwilling in 2x2 speak means unwilling to follow without question what the Workers want you to do, think and believe. If it did not mean that, then there would be positive discussion about doctrine issues and open discussion of WI issues. Well I have to question your logic here. One point does not NECESSARILY lead to the next. There is the discussion you seek in some parts. Since there is little or no compromise to allow friends to express what The Holy Spirit has laid on their hearts, the system is dictatorial. A dictatorial system requires a dictator. Have you identified the dictator? Which individual is it? There are many other outcomes or causes of what you describe than that the system is dictatorial Perhaps some who speak up are doing Gods Will to bring peace and unity? Will the F&W ever know this if they keep kicking them out or shunning them? There are many who speak up and get changes without doing it in "public". And changes have been made. I am just thinking to myself. You don't have to agree or disagree but it does give some food for thought. Meat instead of Milk. Thank You Kelvin. Your points are taken. In my area and case, what I stated seems to be the norm. You state " There is the discussion you seek in some parts" This may be true but I have not seen it yet and I have been to US East, West, North, South and UK with Asia included. No open discussion allowed. You state " There are many who speak up and get changes without doing it in public". Well I suppose one needs to clarify what was spoken about. From what I have seen, speaking on issues like (salvation outside the fellowship is not accepted in format, period) As to dictatorial. It is by hierarchy. The top (overseer) sets the format of what is allowed or not. That overseer my pass on but the attributes continue by custom. All the others follow the format. A dictatorial system does not need a dictator. It can be self imposing by custom. Syllables: dic-ta-to-ri-al Part of Speech adjective Pronunciation dIk tE to ri El Definition 1. domineering or overbearing in manner; imperious. Synonyms domineering , despotic , tyrannical , imperious (1) , autocratic (2) , overbearing Crossref. Syn. authoritarian Similar Words absolute , authoritarian , magisterial Definition 2. of or like a dictator or dictatorship. Synonyms domineering , despotic , tyrannical , imperious (1) , autocratic (1,2) , overbearing Similar Words absolute , authoritarian , magisterial Related Words arbitrary , masterful Derived Forms dictatorially, adj. ; dictatorialness, n. You see if by custom certain things are considered taboo by the leadership without inquiry as to validity, it is by nature dictatorial. It really does not matter what other reasons given for a lack of open doctrine discussion or open discussion of WI issues. It is still overbearing, domineering and authoritarian which are dictatorial in nature. In any case I will accept your input and your points are taken within the context of my post as valid also.
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Post by kelvin on Jun 23, 2006 12:27:31 GMT -5
OK, studylearning, we have had different experiences, both valid for us. My international travelling is as great or greater, but that doesn't mean much.
I still hold that a dictatorial regime needs a single dictator, otherwise its something else.
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Post by Zorro on Jun 23, 2006 13:02:39 GMT -5
Kelvin, I once had a worker tell me that the fellowship "had a mind of its own". What do you think of that statement? What do you think he meant? It seems to me that this is what studylearning is alluding to....what some would call "group-think". Do you deny that such a phenomena exists in the fellowship? In any degree?
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Post by ilylo on Jun 23, 2006 14:26:57 GMT -5
I still hold that a dictatorial regime needs a single dictator, otherwise its something else. Agreed. I'd say it's more a theocracy than a dictatorship. The following excerpts have been borrowed from www.usconstitution.net/consttop_sys.htmlDictatorshipIn a dictatorship, one person has absolute power. Though there is typically a military and a bureaucracy in such a nation, and though there are typically laws to dictate everyday goings-on, the dictator has complete discretion. Typically, the dictator takes on, or assumes, an aura of a deity, or a cult of personality emerges. OligarchyAn oligarchy is, literally, rule by a few. Oligarchies are often the evolution of dictatorships from rule by a single person to rule by a small group of people. Examples include England in 1215, when the King was forced by nobles to sign the Magna Carta. TheocracyA theocracy is an oligarchy based on religion - the group is ruled by the group's spiritual leaders. Religion is a powerful human phenomenon, and religious leaders can often exert great influence over the group's actions.
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