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Post by doubting thomas on Jun 13, 2006 20:57:28 GMT -5
Some folks don't seem to understand when...or if...they have become saved. Could it be that if one has doubts as to their salvation, that they are likely not saved? If you firmly believe in your personal salvation...does this indicate that one is saved?
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Post by sorry do not know on Jun 13, 2006 22:58:14 GMT -5
Dear doubting thomas, this question is obviously a head-scratcher...not easily grasped by the fundamentalist mind. zip...nada...I can't help you, bud. Sorry.
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Post by as I understand it on Jun 13, 2006 23:30:39 GMT -5
As I understand it...2x2s don't claim to KNOW the status of their salvation...as that would be presumptuous. Those who are the heartiest in THE WAY, tend to have FAITH in their likely salvation. It is not for man to proclaim his own salvation.
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Post by sjg on Jun 14, 2006 8:38:21 GMT -5
The Bible is pretty clear on this point.
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; THAT YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
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Post by SAL on Jun 14, 2006 8:56:39 GMT -5
sjg - you just quoted something which is contradicted by other texts. There are many places where it states we do not know our salvation status. What John meant here was that we "know" as in confidence, so long as we keep within the will of God.
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Post by Rob O on Jun 14, 2006 8:58:53 GMT -5
Could you provide two such places?
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Post by towit on Jun 14, 2006 11:49:03 GMT -5
The Bible is pretty clear on this point. 1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; THAT YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. sjg, Question: "How do I know I am saved?" Answer: "No absolute assurance is available; one must have recourse to the virtue of hope, which is a firm trust in God's goodness and mercy. Some Fundamentalists hold that someone who is saved "knows" for sure, but St. Paul had some different ideas on the subject. He said the Philippians needed to 'work with anxious concern to achieve their salvation (2:12). Paul likewise warned against presumption in this matter: 'Let anyone who thinks he stands, take heed lest he fall.' (I Cor 10:12). Certainly this was also in the mind of Christ, who counseled constant vigilance as the best preparation for His coming (eg., Mt 25)."quoted from The Catholic Answer Book, Peter Stravinskas. Sincerely, towit
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