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Post by Bryanfromalaska on Jun 19, 2006 18:55:33 GMT -5
Apparently he does not deny saying it. The quote is accurate as was attributed to him. At this point I would have to agree... He has made more then one post in direct response to asking him if he made it... his silence is answer enough for me... So then how can the fallen away be his brothers and sisters in Christ who are of the devil? Hmmm...
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 18:56:14 GMT -5
Nathan, a question was asked of you. Do not expect an answer to yours.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 18:57:11 GMT -5
So then how can the fallen away be his brothers and sisters in Christ who are of the devil? Maybe he sees himself as fallen away also since he no longer attends meetings regularly... who knows. Since he won't discuss this with us, we can only surmise.
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Post by Bryanfromalaska on Jun 19, 2006 19:03:02 GMT -5
Two things...
1. by nathan using the word 'also' is he admiting that he has stopped attending meetings?
2. under the 2x2 mindset, yes... ilylo is fallen away...
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 19:16:01 GMT -5
According to nathanthink I'm fallen away, but nathanthink doesn't carry much weight with me.
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Post by V4HF4HY on Jun 19, 2006 19:24:48 GMT -5
The Bible says that those who have fallen away have left Jesus. The workers say that the fallen away means those who have left their group.
The workers teaching does not line up with the Bible, but they have created their own terms and doctrine around their own teachings and not the Bibles. They preach that the truth is their group. Christians preach that the truth is Jesus....and him alone. NO group, no man, but only Jesus.
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Post by What Nathan has said on Jun 19, 2006 20:50:09 GMT -5
Did you say those words that the first poster wrote Nathan, I notice that you did not deny it. that "TTT website and this forum to be of the devil and those exes who post here are fallen away and of the devil. He believe that God made these sites to pull away the tares." Did you say those words to someone else or not Nathan or is the person lying. If exes are of the devil then so are you, because you call us your brothers and sisters. I try to ask the hit and run poster to post his or her real name but no such luck. Nope, I did not say the exes are of the devil. Oh my dear Brother Nathan. Please be honest. You did say exactly what I heard from your mouth. I was there. No I will not tell you my name but if you search your memory you will maybe remember all of those who you have told this to, since it has been many. I am one of them. I am trying to help you get back on track.
You seem to have grown in understanding many things that the F&W do not believe or teach. Example: You do not believe that going to meetings is a requirement for salvation, is this true? You believe in the Trinity when workers do not teach this, is this true?
Please do not cast stones on those who also have grown and understand that most who post about wrong doctrine in the fellowship are not lost. As you have said yourself. They are growing. They according to what you write are here trying to teach also. Do you think they are tares simply because they have stopped being part of the F&W fellowship? I can say that most are NOT of reprobate minds. THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT IN THE END
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Post by What Nathan has said on Jun 19, 2006 20:59:34 GMT -5
Oh my dear Brother Nathan. Please be honest. You did say exactly what I heard from your mouth. I was there. No I will not tell you my name but if you search your memory you will maybe remember all of those who you have told this to, since it has been many. I am one of them. I am trying to help you get back on track.
You seem to have grown in understanding many things that the F&W do not believe or teach. Example: You do not believe that going to meetings is a requirement for salvation, is this true? You believe in the Trinity when workers do not teach this, is this true?
Please do not cast stones on those who also have grown and understand that most who post about wrong doctrine in the fellowship are not lost. As you have said yourself. They are growing. They according to what you write are here trying to teach also. Do you think they are tares simply because they have stopped being part of the F&W fellowship? I can say that most are NOT of reprobate minds. THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT IN THE END Please, tell me who you are then I can tell you're telling the truth or not. I search my memory and I can't recall it. Where or which place did I say this to you? Please go back and read. I said no I will not tell who I am. You must decide if you are going to be truthful with out you checking to see if the source is valid. It is in your hands. Truth or not.
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Post by LOLLOLLOL on Jun 19, 2006 21:03:30 GMT -5
LOL!
This is the funniest thing I've ever read!
I will only tell you the truth if you're the right person!
Just TELL THE TRUTH nathan, or is that to much to ask?
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 21:23:13 GMT -5
How then do you expect people to believe you? ... a question nathan has never asked himself...
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Post by IQ on Jun 19, 2006 21:26:05 GMT -5
The original comment was: "I have first hand knowledge of Nathan telling F&W that he believes the TTT website and this forum to be of the devil and those exes who post here are fallen away and of the devil. "Nathan, will you also deny saying that exes are "fallen away"? Last chance. Nathan, will you also deny saying that exes are "fallen away"? Some have and others havent...Ilylo you are relentless, evil, and refuse to follow your own expectations!
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Post by IQ on Jun 19, 2006 21:34:23 GMT -5
TO: Ilylo, bryanfromalaska, glee, "oreganian" and others who badger "nathan9"
Why so much hatred filled postings and words toward him?
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Post by because on Jun 19, 2006 21:45:12 GMT -5
TO: Ilylo, bryanfromalaska, glee, "oreganian" and others who badger "nathan9" Why so much hatred filled postings and words toward him? because that is all they know
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 22:17:31 GMT -5
TO: Ilylo, bryanfromalaska, glee, "oreganian" and others who badger "nathan9" Why so much hatred filled postings and words toward him? Thank you for calling me "evil," iq. Your hatred comes through loud and clear. . .along with the unsubstantiated claim that I don't follow my own expectations. Pure hogwash.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 22:30:07 GMT -5
Last chance. Nathan, will you also deny saying that exes are "fallen away"? Some have and others havent...Ilylo you are relentless, evil, and refuse to follow your own expectations! Yes, I am relentless. There is nothing wrong with that. It is not wrong to relentlessly pursue truth and honesty. Apparently you disagree. Somehow you view it as wrong to expect honesty. That is surprising.
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Post by IQ on Jun 19, 2006 23:50:48 GMT -5
Some have and others havent...Ilylo you are relentless, evil, and refuse to follow your own expectations! Yes, I am relentless. There is nothing wrong with that. It is not wrong to relentlessly pursue truth and honesty. Apparently you disagree. Somehow you view it as wrong to expect honesty. That is surprising. Some how you think you are an expert on what I think and who I am?
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Post by ilylo on Jun 20, 2006 0:04:32 GMT -5
Your own words tell us what you think.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 20, 2006 0:17:11 GMT -5
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Post by _ on Jun 20, 2006 0:27:31 GMT -5
TO: Ilylo, bryanfromalaska, glee, "oreganian" and others who badger "nathan9" Why so much hatred filled postings and words toward him? could you point to my hatred filled post in this thread? this might suprise you, but I don't HATE nathan... Sure, I think he's a coward and I will challange him on this board... but hate? No... I do not hate him...
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Post by _ on Jun 20, 2006 0:32:16 GMT -5
hmmmmm..... you asked me to be honest but you are not being truthful about yourself. Red herring... Who the person is does not matter when it comes to you denying the claim or not... Red herring... Does not matter who the person is as it relates to the issue at hand... Their name or them giving their name holds no bearing on you denying the claim or not. This is another Red herring... are YOU? how do YOU expect people to believe YOU nathan? A claim was made... deny the claim or let it stand by saying you made the statement... You may not like the pickle you're in, but deal with it...
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Post by _ on Jun 20, 2006 0:33:06 GMT -5
Some how you think you are an expert on what I think and who I am? IQ.... Just ignore him and hopefully he will go away. LOL... oh how we wish the same for you.. .
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Post by _ on Jun 20, 2006 0:34:04 GMT -5
could you point to my hatred filled post in this thread? this might suprise you, but I don't HATE nathan... Sure, I think he's a coward and I will challange him on this board... but hate? No... I do not hate him... I don't hate you either former2x2s. a Challenge? anytime. Then fine... I challenge you to deny the claim or let it stand by making it known you made such a statement...
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Post by ilylo on Jun 20, 2006 0:34:55 GMT -5
...except earlier today when taken to task over his own quote. However, nathan failed to deny the full quote several times, so it has been attributed to him.
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Post by also there on Jun 20, 2006 1:47:15 GMT -5
I was also there, and he said no such thing.
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Post by Happy Feet on Jun 20, 2006 2:35:00 GMT -5
YOu were where? How do you know where Nathan said that statement that the first poster wrote. You obviously were not there if you did not hear it.
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Post by TO NATE on Jun 20, 2006 4:39:31 GMT -5
Then fine... I challenge you to deny the claim or let it stand by making it known you made such a statement... I denied by making such a claim with whoever the hit and run poster was. a challenge to: former2x2s, Are you new here on this board? or are you an old timer with a new name? Nate FM-OF-THE-2X2S is bryan of alaska ;D
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Post by What Nathan Has said on Jun 20, 2006 9:44:31 GMT -5
Then fine... I challenge you to deny the claim or let it stand by making it known you made such a statement... I denied by making such a claim with whoever the hit and run poster was. a challenge to: former2x2s, Are you new here on this board? or are you an old timer with a new name? Oh Nathan you have committed a grievous error. You have lied about what you said. Soon I will make myself known. It is odd that you will lie thinking (hit and run) will not bring forward truth. Why do you ask who I am? Is it because you know very well you have said the things which I claimed you said, but hope that I am just some breeze that will pass your lies. Come on now - will you add more lies or will you stop and clean up your act. I am wondering how you will justify yourself when I am known. Will you then say I am lying also. So then does it matter who I am. I will say (first person account) and you will say no no again. So get yourself out of the Box. I love you as a brother. There was a time when I ripped these who are exes on this board also. I had many questions relating to the misguided aspect of shunning, legalism and exclusives in the "Way" during my life. I started to study Doctrine and low, I find "TRUTH" Yes Jesus is God the Son which workers do not teach. I find yes "Salvation" does happen outside of the fellowship "Way". Yes I do see shunning and marking of saints just to bring shame on them without a proper inquiry of their hearts. Not biblical. And now I asked of them to explain and I feel the contempt for me also. This is not Christian. For you to continue say "it is not true" for which I have written of what you said is a lie. You have told even some of the workers that in your area that you felt this was a"God Calling" that you set up your website in opposition to the TTT and other sites. I have read with much interest on this forum. Some have hardened hearts, Some have contempt, but the majority have sorrow for the fact that the "Way' fellowship subverts even some of the most basic doctrine for the sake of maintaining the group. The sorrow is LOVE for the brothers and sisters in the group who are misguided and mislead. I no longer consider these who tell of things that pretain to the F&W errors as enemies but brothers and sisters who have grown in spiritual knowledge. So then consider well your website and your walk. You say and write some good things but then you flip flop to fit in to the "Way." You are neither hot nor cold. You must decide. Please do not lie. When I make myself known it will be for a separation according to the Will of God and purpose to walk with him and only with him. We are brothers but I don't believe that you will see it that way. I will remain anonymous until the time is right. I pray you will not continue to lie.
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Post by Zorro on Jun 20, 2006 11:08:29 GMT -5
Nathan9: I have told to only "ONE" brother worker in Oregon that I have a website and that is ALL. I did NOT tell him I felt it was God calling to set up my website in opposition to the TTT and other sites.
I was under the impression that you had much more support from the workers for your website than that.
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