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Post by chuck on Dec 16, 2021 21:00:39 GMT -5
"It's NOT about compassion!" It never is for selfish people......and the same goes for grace...... ** If you speak your Hebrewic CRA* and your non-exclusive stuff in USA conventions and Sunday morning meetings a few times, they will ask you go back to your down under meetings and sprout it there. Threat Guilt Shame.....The gospel according to Nathan! |
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 16, 2021 21:49:05 GMT -5
** If you speak your Hebrewic CRA* and your non-exclusive stuff in USA conventions and Sunday morning meetings a few times, they will ask you go back to your down under meetings and sprout it there. If you were honest about your beliefs in Sunday meetings you would be getting a visit from the Workers nathan ! You are such a hypocrite, you are so busy trying to promote yourself that you don't even see the irony of what you say ! ** Jesus said be Wise as Serpent and Harmless as the dove!  They can read on TMB better than in Sunday meetings. They can digest, meditate on the information at their own leisure. |
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Post by fixit on Dec 17, 2021 2:21:55 GMT -5
If you were honest about your beliefs in Sunday meetings you would be getting a visit from the Workers nathan ! You are such a hypocrite, you are so busy trying to promote yourself that you don't even see the irony of what you say ! ** Jesus said be Wise as Serpent and Harmless as the dove! They can read on TMB better than in Sunday meetings. They can digest, meditate on the information at their own leisure. So that's what you think Sunday AM meetings are for. Reading books and watching YouTube and TMB is a better use of the time? |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 17, 2021 3:33:26 GMT -5
** Jesus said be Wise as Serpent and Harmless as the dove! They can read on TMB better than in Sunday meetings. They can digest, meditate on the information at their own leisure. So that's what you think Sunday AM meetings are for. Reading books and watching YouTube and TMB is a better use of the time? The workers would be impressed to know that Nathan's writings on TMB are more important than Sunday fellowship meetings. |
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Post by intelchips on Dec 17, 2021 8:04:25 GMT -5
*** When I asked for proof from Curly, and Enuf, they are no where to be found. I have told you that I will not divulge who my informant is in the PNW. That would be allowing you to bully and harrass them like you do on here. You can twist my denying you that information which ever way you want but it does not change what I have been told about you. Its been so long now I can't remember the surname, but when we went to meeting in Moses Lake, WA the elder who was a pilot took us up in his airplane. Wonder if that might be your source? |
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Post by nathan on Dec 17, 2021 9:30:17 GMT -5
** Jesus said be Wise as Serpent and Harmless as the dove! They can read on TMB better than in Sunday meetings. They can digest, meditate on the information at their own leisure. So that's what you think Sunday AM meetings are for. Reading books and watching YouTube and TMB is a better use of the time? 2/2018 Major UFO Disclosure - Valiant/Donn Thor from Venus are Working at the Pentagon. U.S. space program is 1000 yrs advance than the current technology. An Intelligence briefing/information was revealed to President Jimmy Carter that Jesus was A Visitor from the Interior planet of Venus. President said, "How are we going to tell people that!"
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Post by xna on Dec 17, 2021 9:43:23 GMT -5
So that's what you think Sunday AM meetings are for. Reading books and watching YouTube and TMB is a better use of the time?
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. |
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Post by nathan on Dec 17, 2021 10:02:16 GMT -5
Sunday morning meetings are for I Cor. 14:3 But the one who prophesies speaks to people for edification, exhortation, and consolation.... NOT showing off by speaking languages only some can understand and it causes confusion to the rest of the people in the gathering.Speaking about Adam's first wife Lilth NOT Eve can cause much confusion, or the are TWO creations, Noah's ark was built by the Venusians angels, Jesus is from interior of Venus planet= the Bright morning Star. Rev. 22:16
2/2018 Major UFO Disclosure - Valiant/Donn Thor from Venus are Working at the Pentagon. U.S. space program is 1000 yrs advance than the current technology. An Intelligence briefing/information was revealed to President Jimmy Carter that Jesus was A Visitor from the Interior planet of Venus. President said, "How are we going to tell people that!"
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
The women should keep quite and NOT to disturb the gathering with all kinds of questions in the gathering, they should ask their husband when they get homes. The Speakers with different languages, must have translators to translate what he said or keep silence. |
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Post by xna on Dec 17, 2021 10:14:53 GMT -5
How about further down in that same chapter I Cor. 14:33-35
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
The women should keep quite and NOT to disturb the gathering with all kinds of questions in the gathering, they should ask their husband when they get homes. The Speakers with different languages, must have translators to translate what he said or keep silence.
Were did you find this idea "NOT to disturb the gathering with all kinds of questions in the gathering"? Is that something you made up or is it in the bible?
I find it interesting that the RCC doesn't see it that way, and that even today in the middle east, women are very much subservient to the men. A plain reading of 34 & 35 fits with what we find. |
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Post by Annan on Dec 17, 2021 11:34:21 GMT -5
Paul had asked EVERY one to pray and to speak in the worship gathering that's including the women. Speaking in languages that many in the meetings do NOT understand caused confusion for some women, because they began asking questions, what is so and so are speaking about? when there was NO interpreters.
The women should keep quite and NOT to disturb the gathering with all kinds of questions in the gathering, they should ask their husband when they get homes. The Speakers with different languages, must have translators to translate what he said or keep silence.
Were did you find this idea "NOT to disturb the gathering with all kinds of questions in the gathering"? Is that something you made up or is it in the bible?
I find it interesting that the RCC doesn't see it that way, and that even today in the middle east, women are very much subservient to the men. A plain reading of 34 & 35 fits with what we find. Interestingly enough I was taught the same thing growing up. Obviously the workers put it out there. If you can’t make sense of something, you make stuff up. At least that seems to be how it works with the 2 x 2’s. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 12:18:18 GMT -5
Paul had asked EVERY one to pray and to speak in the worship gathering that's including the women. Speaking in languages that many in the meetings do NOT understand caused confusion for some women, because they began asking questions, what is so and so are speaking about? when there was NO interpreters.
The women should keep quite and NOT to disturb the gathering with all kinds of questions in the gathering, they should ask their husband when they get homes. The Speakers with different languages, must have translators to translate what he said or keep silence.
Were did you find this idea "NOT to disturb the gathering with all kinds of questions in the gathering"? Is that something you made up or is it in the bible?
I find it interesting that the RCC doesn't see it that way, and that even today in the middle east, women are very much subservient to the men. A plain reading of 34 & 35 fits with what we find. 1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. I believe it to be fairly clear it was questions that were being asked during the service and probably of the disruptive kind. |
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 17, 2021 12:35:06 GMT -5
Paul had asked EVERY one to pray and to speak in the worship gathering that's including the women. Speaking in languages that many in the meetings do NOT understand caused confusion for some women, because they began asking questions, what is so and so are speaking about? when there was NO interpreters.
The women should keep quite and NOT to disturb the gathering with all kinds of questions in the gathering, they should ask their husband when they get homes. The Speakers with different languages, must have translators to translate what he said or keep silence.
Were did you find this idea "NOT to disturb the gathering with all kinds of questions in the gathering"? Is that something you made up or is it in the bible?
I find it interesting that the RCC doesn't see it that way, and that even today in the middle east, women are very much subservient to the men. A plain reading of 34 & 35 fits with what we find. ** You must read 3 or 4 chapters before this to get the whole picture of thing not just TWO verses! The Church at Corinth dad MANY problems, issues, fighting and take each others to court, teaching false doctrines, immorality, having sex with temple prostitutes and so on need to be addressed and solved so the church leaders wrote to Paul and pleaded with him to intervene and solved these issues for them. |
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Post by xna on Dec 17, 2021 12:42:38 GMT -5
Were did you find this idea "NOT to disturb the gathering with all kinds of questions in the gathering"? Is that something you made up or is it in the bible?
I find it interesting that the RCC doesn't see it that way, and that even today in the middle east, women are very much subservient to the men. A plain reading of 34 & 35 fits with what we find. 1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. I believe it to be fairly clear it was questions that were being asked during the service and probably of the disruptive kind.
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Post by xna on Dec 17, 2021 12:44:30 GMT -5
** You must read 3 or 4 chapters before this to get the whole picture of thing not just TWO verses! The Church at Corinth dad MANY problems, issues, fighting and take each others to court, teaching false doctrines, immorality, having sex with temple prostitutes and so on need to be addressed and solved so the church leaders wrote to Paul and pleaded with him to intervene and solved these issues for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 13:12:32 GMT -5
1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. I believe it to be fairly clear it was questions that were being asked during the service and probably of the disruptive kind.
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 17, 2021 13:33:32 GMT -5
** You must read 3 or 4 chapters before this to get the whole picture of thing not just TWO verses! The Church at Corinth dad MANY problems, issues, fighting and take each others to court, teaching false doctrines, immorality, having sex with temple prostitutes and so on need to be addressed and solved so the church leaders wrote to Paul and pleaded with him to intervene and solved these issues for them. *** The 2x2s have many similar problems like they had in the 1st century churches! Because we have the same humans natures problems to contend with. In 95 A.D. In the book of Rev. We read about the 7 churches had many Problems, issues caused major headaches that the resurrected Jesus had to solve. Today the 2x2s have similar problems the workrrs must deal with like in the 1st century And in 95 A.D. When I was in the work we dealt with all kinds of problems within the 2x2s churches and we had problems within CSA ministry! |
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Post by xna on Dec 17, 2021 13:49:49 GMT -5
Good to see there is nothing like that going on now. *** The 2x2s have many similar problems like they had in the 1st century churches! Because we have the same humans natures problems to contend with. In 95 A.D. In the book of Rev. We read about the 7 churches had many Problems, issues caused major headaches that the resurrected Jesus had to solve. Today the 2x2s have similar problems the workrrs must deal with like in the 1st century And in 95 A.D. When I was in the work we dealt with all kinds of problems within the 2x2s churches and we had problems within CSA ministry! |
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Post by xna on Dec 17, 2021 13:52:56 GMT -5
Back to Brad Lewis.
He contacted me once about a decade ago on two subjects.
- Old photos of the workers
- Old audio recordings of conventions.
He seemed like a rational person to me.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 17, 2021 14:03:59 GMT -5
Were did you find this idea "NOT to disturb the gathering with all kinds of questions in the gathering"? Is that something you made up or is it in the bible?
I find it interesting that the RCC doesn't see it that way, and that even today in the middle east, women are very much subservient to the men. A plain reading of 34 & 35 fits with what we find. Interestingly enough I was taught the same thing growing up. Obviously the workers put it out there. If you can’t make sense of something, you make stuff up. At least that seems to be how it works with the 2 x 2’s. That's always been the way with religion. All religions are quite ancient. Since science started making discoveries that blew many of the claims of religions, out of the water, religion has become increasingly irrelevant except to the gullibles. |
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Post by intelchips on Dec 17, 2021 14:36:33 GMT -5
Interestingly enough I was taught the same thing growing up. Obviously the workers put it out there. If you can’t make sense of something, you make stuff up. At least that seems to be how it works with the 2 x 2’s. That's always been the way with religion. All religions are quite ancient. Since science started making discoveries that blew many of the claims of religions, out of the water, religion has become increasingly irrelevant except to the gullibles. This subject brings to mind some family history. My grandmother Stone as a young lady worked with a traveling doctor in Indiana. I think her home base was either Logansport or Peru. Somewhere along the travels she made caring for the sick she heard the Gospel preached by sister workers (Marry Spires and Mary Kelly). Sometime later my grandfather Stone was hired by the doctor to drive the car his team traveled in. One thing led to another. My grandmother and grandfather got married. This then caused a problem for the 2x2 church. First they told my grandmother she could no longer take part in the meeting. Next they told her she was not welcome in meetings. A year goes by and the workers tell her they have gone through a learning experience and she is welcome back to meetings with full rights. Apparently the workers in the early 1900s were still working on policy. Soon after my grandmother returned her husband professed. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 17, 2021 14:38:22 GMT -5
That's always been the way with religion. All religions are quite ancient. Since science started making discoveries that blew many of the claims of religions, out of the water, religion has become increasingly irrelevant except to the gullibles. This subject brings to mind some family history. My grandmother Stone as a young lady worked with a traveling doctor in Indiana. I think her home base was either Logansport or Peru. Somewhere along the travels she made caring for the sick she heard the Gospel preached by sister workers (Marry Spires and Mary Kelly). Sometime later my grandfather Stone was hired by the doctor to drive the car his team traveled in. One thing led to another. My grandmother and grandfather got married. This then caused a problem for the 2x2 church. First they told my grandmother she could no longer take part in the meeting. Next they told her she was not welcome in meetings. A year goes by and the workers tell her they have gone through a learning experience and she is welcome back to meetings with full rights. Apparently the workers in the early 1900s were still working on policy. Soon after my grandmother returned her husband professed. There are many similar cases. The only people exempt from the rules were the rule makers. |
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 17, 2021 14:59:22 GMT -5
*** The 2x2s have many similar problems like they had in the 1st century churches! Because we have the same humans natures problems to contend with. In 95 A.D. In the book of Rev. We read about the 7 churches had many Problems, issues caused major headaches that the resurrected Jesus had to solve. Today the 2x2s have similar problems the workrrs must deal with like in the 1st century And in 95 A.D. When I was in the work we dealt with all kinds of problems within the 2x2s churches and we had problems within CSA ministry! *** The Holy Spirit is the BEST moral guide than the Bible because it is written by men. God's words with the Holy Spirit's guidance. Cultures changes like correct the children with the sticks!Rods in the Bible time Vs. Time out today! The parents can go to prison for hitting the children with sticks as a method of disciplines their children. |
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Post by xna on Dec 17, 2021 15:11:19 GMT -5
Do you see the bible as the best moral guide? *** The Holy Spirit is the BEST moral guide then the Bible or God's words with the Holy Spirit's guidance. Cultures changes like correct the children with the sticks!Rods in the Bible time Vs. Time out today! The parents can go to prison for hitting the children with sticks as a method of disciplines their children. Killing children is still in the NT. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 17, 2021 15:20:45 GMT -5
Do you see the bible as the best moral guide? *** The Holy Spirit is the BEST moral guide then the Bible or God's words with the Holy Spirit's guidance. Cultures changes like correct the children with the sticks!Rods in the Bible time Vs. Time out today! The parents can go to prison for hitting the children with sticks as a method of disciplines their children. The culture changes you mention such as corporal punishment are not the result of your mythical holy spirit. They are law changes brought about by people concerned about violence towards children in the home and school. It is wishful thinkling that they were led by your mythical holy spirit. For evidence that your mythical holy spirit had no input into those law changes, just have a look at how many religious leaders still advocate beating children. |
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Post by Grant on Dec 17, 2021 15:26:35 GMT -5
As for; "the women speaking was because they were asking questions, and this disturbed the church" this reason is not found in those verses. This is speculation.Whereas: "It is a shame for women to speak in church", is a clear instruction, which requires no speculation.
JMT Did deeper... Did deeper doesn't make sense.....but then you are always correcting others when we let your own mistakes go unchecked. |
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Post by Annan on Dec 17, 2021 15:27:56 GMT -5
Do you see the bible as the best moral guide? *** The Holy Spirit is the BEST moral guide then the Bible or God's words with the Holy Spirit's guidance. Cultures changes like correct the children with the sticks!Rods in the Bible time Vs. Time out today! The parents can go to prison for hitting the children with sticks as a method of disciplines their children. I don’t know how they let you be a worker. The rod was not an actual rod. Children were not beaten. The rod was the law. Teach your children the law and they will not go astray. If you were able to understand the customs of the times, you would know that. Perhaps you need a Hebrew mind. |
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 17, 2021 15:29:58 GMT -5
*** The Holy Spirit is the BEST moral guide then the Bible or God's words with the Holy Spirit's guidance. Cultures changes like correct the children with the sticks!Rods in the Bible time Vs. Time out today! The parents can go to prison for hitting the children with sticks as a method of disciplines their children. Killing children is still in the NT. ** Who did the killing in the New Testament? |
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Post by Grant on Dec 17, 2021 15:32:11 GMT -5
Do you see the bible as the best moral guide? *** The Holy Spirit is the BEST moral guide then the Bible or God's words with the Holy Spirit's guidance. Cultures changes like correct the children with the sticks!Rods in the Bible time Vs. Time out today! The parents can go to prison for hitting the children with sticks as a method of disciplines their children. The Holy Spirit is an excuse to beat your children. Christians often use the Bible to justify beating their children. They're the first to criticize the law against it. |
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