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Post by ForeverFree on Aug 22, 2006 14:31:37 GMT -5
Lyle Schultz, a Saskatchewan worker in India for many years, has apparently been refused a visa renewal and will have to leave. Lyle is a brother to Dale Schultz.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2006 14:49:25 GMT -5
I have understood that in India the 2x2 group has been registered as a Christian group (undoubtedly with a name) and has had the right to a certain number of 'missionaries' in the country -- meaning that if one has to leave, another can replace them. Would be interesting to know what grounds Lyles visa application was refused. Lyle must have been in India over 30 years. (He went to India before I came to Sweden -- and that was 33 years ago this last July.)
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Post by interesting on Aug 22, 2006 15:16:07 GMT -5
"Would be interesting to know what grounds Lyles visa application was refused."
How would it be interesting?
What would you do with the info?
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Post by sadsad on Aug 22, 2006 15:22:29 GMT -5
Lyle Schultz, a Saskatchewan worker in India for many years, has apparently been refused a visa renewal and will have to leave. Lyle is a brother to Dale Schultz. gossip!
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Post by Very interested on Aug 22, 2006 15:23:58 GMT -5
"Would be interesting to know what grounds Lyles visa application was refused." How would it be interesting? What would you do with the info? Do with this info? What? There are a few people that are interested here. I grew up knowing Llyle and have many great memories of him in our home. Yes, I am interested.......do what with it?
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Post by just me on Aug 22, 2006 17:50:15 GMT -5
Lyle Schultz, a Saskatchewan worker in India for many years, has apparently been refused a visa renewal and will have to leave. Lyle is a brother to Dale Schultz. gossip! Uh NO, its reporting news, as its a confirmable story, either the fella was denied or he wasnt. AT NO time in the first post was any reason or even specualtion as to why offered. and for the record, I too think it would be interesting to know why after 30 some years he is denied, I would think after that much time it should be a slamdunk to get a new visa.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2006 1:21:31 GMT -5
I would doubt if it was the case with Lyle, but the 2x2 group does sometimes use a variety of different dishonest explanations to authorities to force their way into countries that otherwise would refuse them.
For instance - in Europe they often claim that they are not entering the country to practice their occupation -- they claim that instead it is just a tourist visit. Or in some instances workers use the disquise that they wish to be in the country as university students. A few years ago a number of workers went into Israel under cover of working as nurses, and then used this cover to 'have meetings' and market their doctrine. Many countries have registered as a religious organization, which in itself is likely the most honest explanation --- but then to their own membership they claim that they are not an organization?!!? Honesty isn't really an important aspect of 2x2ism!!
If authorities should find out the difference between the implied and the real motives in any of these cases, this dishonesty would be grounds for deportation.
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Post by Ronald Schneckenberger on Aug 23, 2006 1:33:40 GMT -5
There are lots of countries that won't accept other registered churches, nor would they accept foreign workers without a steady employment. The only way to get in is being a tourist.
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Post by eurp on Aug 23, 2006 1:41:50 GMT -5
Its interesting how any innocent looking thread can be turned into an excuse to have pot shots at the workers organisation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2006 5:50:26 GMT -5
Its interesting how any innocent looking thread can be turned into an excuse to have pot shots at the workers organisation. It just goes to show that very few aspects of 2x2 policy will stand up to even the slightest form of investigation. Most aspects look best in the murky shadows where workers and friends try to keep them.
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Post by eurp on Aug 23, 2006 5:58:20 GMT -5
But it also shows the intent of some posters. This started as a rumour (...apparently...), and now its a full blown scandal, and another example of worker dishonesty, requiring investigation, murky behaviour, conspiracy to keep it quiet, and an example of typical 2x2 policy.
Talk about exaggeration and stretching things!!
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Post by jxr on Aug 23, 2006 6:23:17 GMT -5
I'm sorry eurp, but I don't see the phrases, murky behavior, conspiracy, or requiring investigation prior to your post.
Are you suggesting that these allegations could be made?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2006 6:43:55 GMT -5
But it also shows the intent of some posters. This started as a rumour (...apparently...), and now its a full blown scandal, and another example of worker dishonesty, requiring investigation, murky behaviour, conspiracy to keep it quiet, and an example of typical 2x2 policy. Talk about exaggeration and stretching things!! I don't think that the 'intent' of some of us is disquised in any way. Jesus himself encouraged his people to dispell the darkness that many of the counter-Christian movements thrive in. It is also nothing new, that enlightenment irritates folks who find comfort in the obscurity of the shadows.
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Post by eurp on Aug 23, 2006 8:17:49 GMT -5
The intent of many is plainly undisguised. I'm not claiming it is disguised, perhaps misguided (imo).
jxr: the words have been used, you may have missed them or they may have been edited?
I still claim this is an example of a simple thread being hijacked into something described as far worse than it was intended, or was in fact. That does not say that I'm saying there are no problems, that all in the garden is rosy, far from it, but that it serves no purpose to exaggerate other than to discredit the one who does it.
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Post by ForeverFree on Aug 23, 2006 13:47:30 GMT -5
This started as a rumour (...apparently...) If I didn't put "apparently", I would have been asked for proof. I put "apparently" and I'm accused of making up rumours. Some people are never satisfied. Talk about stirring the pot...
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Post by las logged out on Aug 23, 2006 13:51:06 GMT -5
Yes I remember Lyle also
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Post by By Healb on Aug 23, 2006 15:17:45 GMT -5
I have very pleasant memories of Lyle myself. In fact my family have been in the Schultz home many times. They in fact play an important role with my family for many years. With regard to Lyle, the possibility of him being refused could be a number of reasons. After all as Edgar indicated that he's been there (India) over 33 years. Am I right that he's likely been in the work for most of is life, being that he started at a young age, both he and Dale the same year, I believe. The Schultz family mean alot. Lets face facts sometimes people do things with best interests at heart whether it's right or wrong, and I believe that some of the choices that Workers make can perhaps fall into this category. With regard to Lyle if he is refused so what, look at the number of possible reasons, the mideast could be factor, age another, who knows what, unless we get it from the hourse mouth we KNOW nothing, just our own conclusions. I'll wait to hear from my family.
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Post by jxr on Aug 24, 2006 6:17:27 GMT -5
jxr: the words have been used, you may have missed them or they may have been edited? eurp, None of the above posts have been edited (it shows up with a note). None have apparently been deleted (my post is listed as #11, yours #10 and the one I presume you're commenting on is as #9 - remain unchanged). You're making an accusation which does not stand up to scrutiny. Nothinng in Edgar's post has anything like the meaning you are claiming. And no, I didn't find your phrases or words, even with a browser character-string search. Do you acutally take any care in reading the posts, or do you so hyper-sensitive that you just pick on and react to particular words?
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