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Post by nip on Jun 10, 2006 11:05:27 GMT -5
Their way is the only way. A "we alone are right" mentality.
Their vague doctrine is to be accepted but not necessarily understood.
Members are conformed by the group not transformed by God.
They reject the One Triune God--the Christian belief in God as God the Father, God the Son (Jesus - John 1:1, 1:14), and God the Holy Spirit. As a result they worship "another" Jesus.
Only their group knows and has the truth. They claim a "special revelation."
Not even scripture is as powerful as the group's unwritten rules and traditions.
Members distrust themselves but trust completely in the group's beliefs and leaders.
Members are secretive about what goes on "inside" and "things" get protected behind walls of silence.
Living a double life is common.
A flaw in the group is viewed as a flaw in the member who sees it.
Leaders brush off questions they don't have scriptural answers for.
Authoritarian leaders reinforce blind obedience to the groups "standards."
Individual interpretation or deviation is not allowed.
There is a need to emulate the leaders. The group may have similar mannerisms, clothing styles, hair styles, modes of speech and attitudes.
Any attack on the group simply verifies the group's importance to the members.
Members who faithfully follow the group's beliefs and traditions are considered special, chosen, hearty "saints."
There is no means by which a member can appeal a decision. The followers have no rights. Dissidents are disfellowshipped.
Salvation by Grace is not preached. (Eph.2:8,9)
Failing to remain faithful to the group is viewed as failing God or mankind.
There is a feeling of humble superiority among the members.
Members accept a counterfeit peace, joy and unity which, in reality, doesn't exit.
Behavior is legislated. Obedience to the leaders is mandatory.
Individuality is viewed as bad and conformity within the group is good. There is a dependence on the group.
Leaders encourage members to work and produce "fruit", putting "their" people back under the law, from which Christ died to set us free.
Lavish attention and love is shown to new or prospective members. Later, love is conditional; dependent on a member's good performance.
There is an unwritten rule that members must not discuss any negative feelings they may have about the group.
Members shun ex-members.
There is instilled in the members a fear of "losing out", of suffering a lost eternity, should they ever leave the group.
Members alternate between happiness at being chosen to know the "truth", and the crushing weight of guilt, fear and shame for "not measuring up."
Adherents to these groups fail to realize that they are in a cult and under mind control. Often the leaders are the most brainwashed of all.
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Post by eh on Jun 10, 2006 11:50:25 GMT -5
On this list then 2x2s are NOT a cult.
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Post by lloydswanson on Jun 10, 2006 15:04:19 GMT -5
well, what all cults have in common is that all cults are 2x2s and all are in fear of the holy book called the secret sect
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Post by ilylo on Jun 10, 2006 15:48:38 GMT -5
On this list then 2x2s are NOT a cult. I would be more concerned that many of these items describe 2x2ism. But maybe you're okay with that...
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Post by cults on Jun 10, 2006 15:52:08 GMT -5
According to this list the 2x2s are a cult... they fit most of the things described in this list.
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Post by facts on Jun 10, 2006 15:54:54 GMT -5
Facts says that most of the traits do not apply to 2x2ism, except in some specific areas.
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Post by firstborn on Jun 10, 2006 16:00:29 GMT -5
Facts says that most of the traits do not apply to 2x2ism, except in some specific areas. Have you heard the term Gray Area? Kinda like Amway, herbal life, are not pyramid schemes.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 10, 2006 16:45:14 GMT -5
Facts says that most of the traits do not apply to 2x2ism, except in some specific areas. I'd be concerned that any of them apply.
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Post by nip on Jun 10, 2006 16:55:02 GMT -5
well, what all cults have in common is that all cults are 2x2s and all are in fear of the holy book called the secret sect Someone must of hi jacked my old account cause it ain't me postin I will admit I had a old account but I abandoned several email address i cannot remember my passwords even to get into them old email address but the admin should be able to trace the I.S.P address and they should be able to see where it is from
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Post by a believer on Jun 10, 2006 23:12:58 GMT -5
I wondered if someone hijacked your old account Lloyd, didn't sound like your posts...
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Post by Me on Jun 10, 2006 23:17:14 GMT -5
well, what all cults have in common is that all cults are 2x2s and all are in fear of the holy book called the secret sect Someone must of hi jacked my old account cause it ain't me postin I will admit I had a old account but I abandoned several email address i cannot remember my passwords even to get into them old email address but the admin should be able to trace the I.S.P address and they should be able to see where it is from i don't believe you las, it sounds exactly like what you would post
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Post by a believer on Jun 11, 2006 2:52:56 GMT -5
I believe that Las cannot remember his password. To say you do not believe him is to say he is a lair and Las ain't no liar in my books.
I have never heard Las call the Secret Sext the Holy book. I believe it is someone impersonating him
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Post by Yes on Jun 11, 2006 5:32:50 GMT -5
Their way is the only way. A "we alone are right" mentality. The foundation of religious cults is the Cult of Christianity Trinity? Not expected to be understood by humans. Doesn't the group have to endorse the Godly transformation? As do most religions in the world today. The mark of a True Christian. No other writings are as powerful as the accepted writings that Christians have marked as 'true'. Another mark of the True Christian. From the beginnings of religion there have been the priests who were privy to more than the rest of the congregation. Given the number of Christians in prison this seems to be the rule rather than the exception. As any person who points out these flaws will quickly learn - Galileo, Luther, etc. So many things can only be known by God and not by mere humans. The bottom line will always be the groups way or the highway. Not if it differs from the group's interpretation. What is the point of being in a group if you do not believe as they do. Birds of a feather flock together Can't even begin to determine what this means. Wow - members who follow the rules are said to be members who are good members. You can only appeal things so high and then there is no more appeal. This is true in the legal systems of the world and in the major religions as well. And in the end you can conform or you are put outside the group. Depends on the religion. Yep. These are the rules of Christianity. What a surprise that the individual churches have adopted them. Good old Christian pride in belonging the only way to make it into Heaven. Maybe doesn't exit (or exist) for you but how do you know if it does or not for others? A group with rules. How quaint. Think of a religion that does not have rules that members have to stick to if they intend to remain members. That is the very definition of being a member of a group and one of the reasons people join. If you want to remain an individual do not become the member of a group. A matter of individual religion's beliefs. Conditional love depending on acceptance of the groups rules. Seems like the founded advised to try to convert people but if they resisted to knock the dust from their shoes and move on. Accentuate the positive. Just following Jesus' example - "Those who are not with us are against us". Isn't this one of the basic ideas of Christianity? If you do not live by the rules you are off to Hell in a hand basket? Wow- mood swings. Periods of joy interspersed with doubt. The defining mark of a cult?? Ask Christians if they are in a cult and you will see that 1/3 of the people in the world fit into your definition.
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Post by different on Jun 11, 2006 5:36:27 GMT -5
William Irvine two-by-two founder 1897 He looks very different than I remember.
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Post by more concerned on Jun 11, 2006 5:38:19 GMT -5
On this list then 2x2s are NOT a cult. I would be more concerned that many of these items describe 2x2ism. But maybe you're okay with that... I would be more concerned that Christianity fits as many, if not more, of the traits on thelist. But maybe you are OK with that. Each to their own.
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Post by Bingo on Jun 11, 2006 8:45:29 GMT -5
I would be more concerned that many of these items describe 2x2ism. But maybe you're okay with that... I would be more concerned that Christianity fits as many, if not more, of the traits on thelist. But maybe you are OK with that. Each to their own. Hit the nail right on the head! And each sub-cult within the umbrella cult has it's own shamans who claim only they can provide access to the deity. Goes back thousands of years. Over the eons, it has become more and more sophisticated, but as always, it's the few controlling (and fleecing) the fearful and superstitious masses. From Zeus to (pick one), it really hasn't changed much. Only the deity names and rituals have evolved.
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Post by nip on Jun 11, 2006 9:07:39 GMT -5
I wondered if someone hijacked your old account Lloyd, didn't sound like your posts... for sure for sure I think what some person has done is just switched his/her user name to same has my name I could do that myself very easily with anybody to do this unscrupulous route Thats why sites that do not allow a user name change are the best..I know that some sites will not allow a user name change so make your first attempt the right one
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Post by lloydswanson on Jun 11, 2006 12:24:27 GMT -5
i now know that someone has been impersonatting me If these people had read the secret sect there would not be this trouble
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Post by Simple on Jun 11, 2006 16:54:09 GMT -5
I would be more concerned that many of these items describe 2x2ism. But maybe you're okay with that... I would be more concerned that Christianity fits as many, if not more, of the traits on thelist. But maybe you are OK with that. Each to their own. The discovery of God and his Truth in our lifes journey, makes us Christian. Coming across a group of people who deny the work of God in others is nothing new. The flesh judges the flesh The 2x2's are nothing new, just another version of the devil's rehashed formula for the necessary seduction, indoctrination, and digestion of there lives into a meaningless quagmire of delusion. The only one who can save them? JESUS
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Post by well on Jun 11, 2006 17:53:55 GMT -5
I would be more concerned that Christianity fits as many, if not more, of the traits on thelist. But maybe you are OK with that. Each to their own. The discovery of God and his Truth in our lifes journey, makes us Christian. Coming across a group of people who deny the work of God in others is nothing new. The flesh judges the flesh The 2x2's are nothing new, just another version of the devil's rehashed formula for the necessary seduction, indoctrination, and digestion of there lives into a meaningless quagmire of delusion. The only one who can save them? JESUS well satan knows of God and his Truth does that make him christian? and of course you are the only one who is saved and not just another version of the devil's rehashed formula for the necessary seduction, indoctrination, and digestion of there lives into a meaningless quagmire of delusion.
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Post by Simple on Jun 11, 2006 18:11:10 GMT -5
The discovery of God and his Truth in our lifes journey, makes us Christian. Coming across a group of people who deny the work of God in others is nothing new. The flesh judges the flesh The 2x2's are nothing new, just another version of the devil's rehashed formula for the necessary seduction, indoctrination, and digestion of there lives into a meaningless quagmire of delusion. The only one who can save them? JESUS well satan knows of God and his Truth does that make him christian? and of course you are the only one who is saved and not just another version of the devil's rehashed formula for the necessary seduction, indoctrination, and digestion of there lives into a meaningless quagmire of delusion. Where did I say I was the only one saved? You can attack me all day long, The Truth keeps marching on..... Do you have any testimony? What transformation took place when you became a 2x2? What gifts did you recieve? What did you have to face? How has the hand of God changed you? Christians have testimony about Jesus and the things we learn from Faith, Hope, and Charity. These things are priceless to all God's creation. The 2x2's have to burrough deeper and deeper into the abyss to keep themselves away from Jesus. Don't you worry, the devil will guide you away from the Truth. Have you faced your own human nature? Have you seen the difference between Spirit and Truth and our human natures? (PS, Hint: We all start out human) Without the intervention of Jesus who can be saved?
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Post by Me too on Jun 11, 2006 20:14:49 GMT -5
i now know that someone has been impersonatting me If these people had read the secret sect there would not be this trouble Giid eye Las. There is an evil lurking person who is impersonating one person after another on this board. Right now I am not even writing this but it is beng ghost written by that evil impersonator. I have noticedthat the person uses the letter "e" a lot. Forewarned is forearmed.
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