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Post by Mr Mister on Jun 4, 2006 17:53:23 GMT -5
Many of you may have seen the article in the latest issue of National Geographic. The modesty and plainess of dress of the Hutterite women and girls would make many an elderly sister worker envious. Talk about a strict dress code for women. They make most of today's professing females look like fashion queens. They wear buns, and a black head cloth covering that.
The Hutterites also frown on TV & radio (although they do make some exceptions for special sporting events). They do allow for beer drinking...at least at weddings. Not sure about dancing, smoking or gambling. Learning the German language is very important to the Hutterites (not sure why) and the kids are required to learn it, along with English.
Their are many similarities between 2x2s & Hutterites, and many differences: for one thing Hutterites live in communal settlements, while 2x2s are only communal during convention time.
Any comments or information regarding the Hutterites? Any of you had dealings with them...or belonged to their group?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2006 18:02:57 GMT -5
I know that Mary Todd Lincoln had some Hutterite relations. Other than that, I haven't come across anything intersting relating to them.
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Post by remember on Jun 4, 2006 18:10:47 GMT -5
there is one I know about that left and was very fearful of doing that. He ended up in gospel mtgs and i believe went into the ministry. Someone else might know the full story about this, i believe it was out west. Very strict and abusive people
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Post by hutterites on Jun 4, 2006 18:35:07 GMT -5
Mennonites,Hutterites are all a cut from the Ana Baptists Ana means re baptised this was the early issue
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Post by Hutterites on Jun 4, 2006 18:36:51 GMT -5
Hutterites come from the Lutheran church meaning they did not agree with infant baptism same has mennonites and all Baptist churches originate from the ana baptists
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Post by not certain on Jun 4, 2006 18:37:57 GMT -5
Unlike 2x2s, Hutterites do not proselytize. I am not certain if they are exlusivists as regards salvation; my guess...probably so.
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Post by beards on Jun 4, 2006 19:37:24 GMT -5
In today's 2x2 church, in most areas beards on men are "tolerated". The Hutterite men "must" have beards. Other mandatory beard groups come to mind also: Ultra Orthodox (Hasidic) Jews, and males of the Taliban Muslims.
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Post by jxr on Jun 4, 2006 19:44:50 GMT -5
Beards are cool. Shaving is vanity.
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Post by Roy on Jun 4, 2006 19:48:07 GMT -5
As I recall, Barb Hofer was a Hutterite before she went into the work. She is in Boise, Idaho with Jean Larson assuming the 2005 list has any accuracy. The 2005 workers list went south before it even was implemented - another 52 card pickup! ;D
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Post by IllinoisGal on Jun 5, 2006 6:49:46 GMT -5
My good friend was telling me that she was on a train coming back from Montana with several Hutterites. She said they were playing a harmonica on the train and singing.
She sat on the train car with many of them and said they were friendly and interesting people.
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Post by Jorg on Jun 5, 2006 6:59:15 GMT -5
I'm a Hutterite, and have two brothers in the F&W fellowship.
In making comparisons, we have discovered that both our denomnations receive more untru criticism based on misinformation, much from former members, than any other forms of publicity.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 5, 2006 7:19:00 GMT -5
I'm a Hutterite, and have two brothers in the F&W fellowship. In making comparisons, we have discovered that both our denomnations receive more untru criticism based on misinformation, much from former members, than any other forms of publicity. I know little of the Hutterites way, but am familiar with the workers and their friends. Jorge, could you relate to us three things about the workers that are untrue from former members? Thank you.
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Post by Jorg on Jun 5, 2006 7:27:50 GMT -5
My brother tells me that some former members say that all F&W members deny the deity of Jesus, that they deny that any other form of religion group is legitimate, (that salvation is in it possible), and that F&W claim they were not started in 1880s. I know from him that these matters are falsifications.
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Post by Greg lee unplugged on Jun 5, 2006 7:35:36 GMT -5
My brother tells me that some former members say that all F&W members deny the deity of Jesus, that they deny that any other form of religion group is legitimate, (that salvation is in it possible), and that F&W claim they were not started in 1880s. I know from him that these matters are falsifications. I've been told by many in the workers' church that Jesus was a man that denied his self for his salvation and that of everyone else, that God has no children in any other church, and that their church abodollely did not start in he late 1800's, but goes back to the days of Jesus. I know these things to be true and so do others on this board - some also in the workers' church!
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Post by Jorg on Jun 5, 2006 7:41:20 GMT -5
Maybe he (Gustav) is in a different church, or different areas have different ideas? I not sure.
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Post by The bible on Jun 5, 2006 8:26:44 GMT -5
What year was the bible handed back to the people?
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Post by Trigger unlogged on Jun 5, 2006 12:12:44 GMT -5
Living in rural Southern Alberta I have become aquainted with a number of folks from various Hutterite colonies as well as those who have left and I have found them to be lovely people. Perhaps their way of life is different from most of ours, but the things I really value and admire about them is their simplicity, their kindness, their willingness to give and share and help, and the fact that they do not force their way of life and their beliefs on other people like some religions do (and I don't just mean the 2x2s, there are so many religions that do this and I think it's equally wrong no matter who does it). I will never forget a particular visit to a specific colony where some very kind ladies sent us home with a bottle of fresh cream and a bag of the best buns I have ever had. We ate them all the way home.
Trigger
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Post by pete logged off on Jun 6, 2006 4:11:04 GMT -5
Several folks have left the Hutterite colonies and professed (mostly in Western Canada, I believe), and a few have gone into the work: Joshua Tschetter (sp?), 2 Barb Hoefer's (1 married ex-worker Joe Lewis recently, maybe?), a couple others whose names escape me.
I heard some of their testimonies at conventions, and they spoke of serious persecution when they decided to leave the colonies. They basically had to run away with nothing but the clothes on their backs. The workers generally were not very welcome in the colonies after several of the Hutterite members left for the 2X2 fellowship.
All of them (ex-Hutterite/present-workers) spoke of the colony folks as being good people but without the Spirit directing their lives. They said they found "life" when they met the workers and friends.
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Post by amazed on Jun 8, 2006 13:41:36 GMT -5
Living in rural Southern Alberta I have become aquainted with a number of folks from various Hutterite colonies as well as those who have left and I have found them to be lovely people. Perhaps their way of life is different from most of ours, but the things I really value and admire about them is their simplicity, their kindness, their willingness to give and share and help, and the fact that they do not force their way of life and their beliefs on other people like some religions do (and I don't just mean the 2x2s, there are so many religions that do this and I think it's equally wrong no matter who does it). I will never forget a particular visit to a specific colony where some very kind ladies sent us home with a bottle of fresh cream and a bag of the best buns I have ever had. We ate them all the way home. Trigger I believe that most people would come away from encounters with the "Friends" with the same thoughts, nothing wrong with that at all. The problem comes from the beliefs that many (not all) have that are not scriptural. Even the fact that they don't all believe the same thing should show that there is a problem. I Cor:10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.
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Post by Grrr on Jun 8, 2006 17:16:32 GMT -5
This is what frustrates me about this board.
Why is it that so many people assume that their experiences are the experiences of everyone else? Are these people really that narrow minded?
I've never heard a worker lie about the origin of Truth - but I'm sure some have. I've heard a worker speak in favor of the trinity - but I'm sure some would disagree. I know many F&W who believe in exclusivity - and many that don't.
But most significantly - I would never accuse the entire body of the church of believing one thing based on just my experiences.
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Post by Bryanfromalaska on Jun 8, 2006 17:22:45 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I don't believe you...
I believe you, but I doubt such a speach is Endorsed by the fellowship’s leadership as proper 2x2 teaching. Random people say random things about random beliefs they hold... Doesn't make such sayings the norm.
I doubt you know 'many' that don't...
Here are four questions to ask them if you doubt me doubting you...
1. Do you believe it’s possible for someone to be doing the will of God, serving God to their fullest, and be approved by God if they once professed, but quit the meetings and now attend a different Christian church?
2. Are there any preachers or pastors in the world, outside of the workers ministry, who are preaching and upholding the true Gospel of Jesus Christ?
3. Do you believe someone can continue to serve God to their fullest and truly worship him as you and I do if they come into contact with the workers, but decline to be a part of the fellowship or reject the 2x2 ministry for whatever reason?
4. If someone is truly seeking God with an honest and open heart, is it possible they will be lead to anywhere else besides the 2x2 fellowship?
Mind you, there will always be a small % of people who don't agree with the larger %... but the small % should never be labeled as 'many'.
But if you heard the same thing OVER and OVER and OVER again in different meetings all over the world, and can back up such things with multiple worker letters, emails, and convention notes?
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Post by Grrr on Jun 8, 2006 18:17:19 GMT -5
Thanks Bryanfromalaska, for making my point, even though you seem to have missed it.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 8, 2006 18:23:34 GMT -5
I've never heard a worker lie about the origin of Truth - but I'm sure some have. And you probably have never heard a worker tell the truth about it either. I've heard a worker speak in favor of the trinity - but I'm sure some would disagree. Oh? Who? I know many F&W who believe in exclusivity - and many that don't. I agree with you that 2x2ism isn't really the same all over, contrary to 2x2 claims.
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Post by Gods children on Jun 10, 2006 1:32:04 GMT -5
God's children are the "2x2" church. Before that the OT, the Israelites were God's children. When Jesus, the Son of God, came to earth...and became the messiah, God's children ceased to be the Jews (since the Jews rejected Christ)...& the Christians...of whom only the 2x2s are True Christians...only they can be legitimately called God's Children. As to the rest of humanity....they don't count for anything unless they profess under a worker.
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Post by you see on Jun 10, 2006 2:15:59 GMT -5
You see...the Hutterites are fine people...the Hutterites are a creepy cult; the 2x2s are fine people, the 2x2s are a creepy cult.
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