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Post by Roy on Jun 3, 2006 19:17:30 GMT -5
I've heard consistantly the the narrow way is the 2x2 way in gospel meetings and conventions. Please back up you comments with scripture.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 3, 2006 19:19:35 GMT -5
Jesus is the narrow wide. The 2&2 ministry is too wide.
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Post by Jesus Himself is the Way on Jun 3, 2006 19:24:35 GMT -5
John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life.
Jesus Himself (as He states) is also the truth, not the workers' and their followers.
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Post by Roy on Jun 3, 2006 19:25:14 GMT -5
Greg, Are you saying they eat too much . . . that makes them so wide they can't fit the narrow way? ;D Just had to say that to loosen up a little!
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Post by Jesus Himself is the gate on Jun 3, 2006 19:26:19 GMT -5
John 10:9
I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.
Again, not the workers, JESUS is the gate.
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Post by Wot on Jun 3, 2006 21:32:13 GMT -5
so we are not only too narrow, now we are too wide
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Post by that on Jun 3, 2006 21:56:12 GMT -5
Jesus is the narrow wide. The 2&2 ministry is too wide. what you say is to narrow ;D
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Post by and on Jun 3, 2006 21:58:03 GMT -5
John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. Jesus Himself (as He states) is also the truth, not the workers' and their followers. and those who follow Him in the way and the truth and the life are walking in the narrow way
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Post by heard on Jun 3, 2006 21:59:45 GMT -5
John 10:9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. Again, not the workers, JESUS is the gate. heard this morning Jesus is the gate so don't know how you work out the workers thought they were
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 3, 2006 23:07:58 GMT -5
so we are not only too narrow, now we are too wide Oh, your way is quite narrow. The ministry form (as a gate) is simply too wide. The way of the workers is similar to being outside the guardrail of a road. One step one way and you would have to go over the rail and on to the road. One step to the other way and you fall away from the road.
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Post by Rob O on Jun 4, 2006 0:07:56 GMT -5
In reply to post #7:
No. One does not follow Jesus in the way, the truth and the life as though Jesus were following a way, a truth and a life. Jesus did not walk in a narrow way.
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Jesus Himself is the narrow way.
Until you see that, everything else is irrelevant.
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jun 4, 2006 0:12:53 GMT -5
When you love someone, you are careful about everything you do. You walk a fine line. We love God because He loves us. He loved us before we loved him.
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Post by Jesus is the gate on Jun 4, 2006 8:37:13 GMT -5
someone said "not the workers, JESUS is the gate. " OK, I won't listen to any preacher until Jesus comes.
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Post by eurp on Jun 4, 2006 8:47:40 GMT -5
I've never heard any workers claiming to be the "gate", only pointing to Jesus as the gate.
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Post by Roy on Jun 4, 2006 8:54:23 GMT -5
Rob stated "Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Jesus Himself is the narrow way. Until you see that, everything else is irrelevant." Whow, what truer words could be said. To expand the title: Discussion: What is the Narrow Way? to include "Is the 2x2 the "Narrow Way". Please include scripture supporting your responce.I also have the same question on members3.boardhost.com/Professing/index.html?1149427995
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Post by Surely on Jun 4, 2006 11:05:12 GMT -5
I've never heard any workers claiming to be the "gate", only pointing to Jesus as the gate. And so then when a worker says " Surely you can't believe that someone can be saved in other churches can you?" Discussion continues- it is made clear that they, (The Worker) BELIEVE THAT ONLY THEY AND THEIR MINISTRY CAN BRING SALVATION. Yes they do say that. By default they do imply that they are the gate. It is the mainstay of the "WAY" ministry. It is the unspoken exclusives and indoctrination.
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Post by eurp on Jun 4, 2006 11:16:05 GMT -5
""Surely you can't believe that someone can be saved in other churches can you?" "
I've never heard a worker say this, or say something like this. I'm not saying that some don't, just that in 30 years I personally never heard it said.
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Post by justamom on Jun 4, 2006 11:38:39 GMT -5
I was told all the time growing up in the PNW that others who didn't go to meetings were not saved and would not go to heaven.... I never bought into this way of thinking.... but none the less I was told it all the time....
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Post by selah on Jun 4, 2006 16:29:53 GMT -5
If the f&w believe that people can be saved even if they fellowship in other churches, why then, is there such a problem if someone should leave the fellowship to attend another church, and why is the term, "lost out" used? Why does everyone grieve as though that person has died spiritually and left God behind?
Blessings, Linda
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Post by Simple to Eurp on Jun 4, 2006 16:44:30 GMT -5
""Surely you can't believe that someone can be saved in other churches can you?" " I've never heard a worker say this, or say something like this. I'm not saying that some don't, just that in 30 years I personally never heard it said. Perhaps you should ask them what they believe regarding other Christians, so you will know who and what you are following. Seek and you will find. Thats a promise from God. Yes, you will not like the answers to some of the questions, but that is why God gave us Jesus. All of his children, not just the 2x2 crew. Hope, Faith and Charity lead to the door, Love is the doorway (narrow way) !!
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 4, 2006 16:59:31 GMT -5
""Surely you can't believe that someone can be saved in other churches can you?" " I've never heard a worker say this, or say something like this. I'm not saying that some don't, just that in 30 years I personally never heard it said. Yes, likely that exact quote has not been said. Likely you have heard something like that. The verbage would be somehting similar to "We (in this church) know the truth and follow Jesus...." and "The world (everybody else) is lost, unwilling...."
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