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Post by l on Jun 1, 2006 8:37:51 GMT -5
Most 2x2s are victums to the deception
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Post by sjg on Jun 1, 2006 11:53:56 GMT -5
Amen....but they will stand before God accountable for themselves. They can't blame anyone else for continuing to walk in blind ignorance. The information is out there. God is calling them to walk in the light. The Spirit is wooing them. Jesus' arms are out-stretched saying "come unto Me..." The responsibility is in their hands for the decisions they make.
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Post by notwhat on Jun 1, 2006 13:08:03 GMT -5
Amen....but they will stand before God accountable for themselves. They can't blame anyone else for continuing to walk in blind ignorance. The information is out there. God is calling them to walk in the light. The Spirit is wooing them. Jesus' arms are out-stretched saying "come unto Me..." The responsibility is in their hands for the decisions they make. And what if this very God of whom you speak is calling them to the F&W fellowship?
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Post by liz on Jun 1, 2006 13:35:34 GMT -5
SJG:
I disagree.
I don't believe that 2x2's continue to be 2x2's because of blind ignorance. The 2x2 paradigm works for them, plain & simple.
We are talking about a belief system, nothing more.
God is within us all - 2x2's, christians, muslims, native americans, etc. We can all choose to 'walk in the light' every single day. The outward wrapping of what we label our belief system ('Baptist', Ba'hai, Hindu, etc.) is simply that - the wrappings.
Anyone chained to a belief system is only limiting himself in experiencing the God within.
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Post by Jessi on Jun 1, 2006 17:32:30 GMT -5
NOTWHAT WROTE: And what if this very God of whom you speak is calling them to the F&W fellowship?
God does not draw souls to fellowships or groups of people. He draws them to the Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy one of God - John 6:44
Grace & Peace to you, Jessi
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Post by happy on Jun 1, 2006 18:33:08 GMT -5
Jessi, I have to disagree while I agree with you: God does call people to HIM. But he also guides people to a local church family too. He answers our prayers when we ask for that. We need each other.
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Post by Jessi on Jun 1, 2006 18:41:07 GMT -5
Jessi, I have to disagree while I agree with you: God does call people to HIM. But he also guides people to a local church family too. He answers our prayers when we ask for that. We need each other. Happy: If one is Christ's, does he not follow Him (to a local church, being then guided by the Holy Spirit)? What is it that you disagree with? John 6:44 - or me? What part did you agree with? In Christ, Jessi
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Post by happy on Jun 1, 2006 18:43:15 GMT -5
God does not draw souls to fellowships or groups of people. This is the part I disagreed with. But seeing what you posted about the HS guiding makes sense. I see it both ways. Happy
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Post by Jessi on Jun 1, 2006 18:46:02 GMT -5
PS - The local church IS the bride and body of Christ, so I am not disagreeing with you on that point! Only that it is important to recognize that the ONLY way to get to heaven is through Christ and the only way one comes to Christ is if the Father draws him.
In Christ, Jessi
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Post by happy on Jun 1, 2006 18:50:16 GMT -5
I think we are in agreement. One clarification....which local church?
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Post by Sylvestra on Jun 1, 2006 20:00:26 GMT -5
PS - The local church IS the bride and body of Christ, so I am not disagreeing with you on that point! Only that it is important to recognize that the ONLY way to get to heaven is through Christ and the only way one comes to Christ is if the Father draws him. In Christ, Jessi I agree with you that the "church" is the body of Christ, but where does it ever say that it is the bride of Christ. Furthermore, how can it be both -- Jesus will marry himself? I believe this "bride" thing is a tradition of man and not Scriptural. Best regards, Edy
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Post by laughable on Jun 1, 2006 20:24:37 GMT -5
this thread is laughable from beginning to end
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Post by selah on Jun 1, 2006 20:39:55 GMT -5
Church (big C) - The global body of new-life disciples - the Universal Church - the body of Christ - the bride
local church (small c) - Any of various assemblies of new-life disciples in your community
Blessings, Linda
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Post by notwhat on Jun 1, 2006 20:53:03 GMT -5
To I, sjg, Jessie, and happy:
If a person believes that God is calling him/her to Him through the F&W fellowship, what advice would you offer that person?
Respectfully, notwhat
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Post by selah on Jun 1, 2006 20:55:09 GMT -5
There are some incredible parallels between the Jewish Marriage Covenant and the Covenant between Jesus and the Church. You can read about that in Joseph F. Amaral's book, "First Century Foundations." He writes about the cultural idioms and habits of the Jews in the first century and how they would have understood the words of Jesus. His teaching is available here in book, CD or DVD formats: www.firstcentury.tv/resources.htmThis is the ministry I volunteer for in Israel. Joe's father-in-law, Clyde is the founder: www.operationoutreach.ca/You can view Joe's program here: www.firstcentury.tv/Blessings, Linda
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Post by radio on Jun 2, 2006 8:04:29 GMT -5
Does God lead folks to the radio also i think so!
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Post by whose responsible on Jun 2, 2006 8:20:04 GMT -5
why would God lead people into a false belief system?
the 2 x 2 way is clearly out of line with the scriptures
the deity of Christ the infallibility of scripture the necessity for the itinerant ministry the exclusivity of the belief system verses Jesus is the Way legalism verses spirit led and fed twisted understanding of the scripture read what is written about Pruebert's site......
WHY WOULD GOD LEAD ONE INTO THE FALSE BELIEF SYSTEM OF THE 2 x 2's?
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Post by sjg on Jun 2, 2006 9:23:07 GMT -5
Liz,
Sorry I disagree. God is NOT within us all by nature. He LOVES us all, but He is not "in" us until we invite Him in. An old saying says, "All roads lead to Rome." Perhaps it was true in the ancient world---but today, you can get lost ANYwhere! The road you are on may lead you in exactly the opposite direction from your goal. The only was to reach your destination is to consult a good road map or ask someone who knows the way. Not all roads to lead to God, as some suggest. The reason? There is a roadblock that keeps man from reaching God---the roadblock of sin. But God has provided a map---the Bible--and He has provided us with One who knows the way and can give us directions---Jesus Christ. The 2 x2's, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Native Americans, etc offer no bridge between a Holy God and sinful man. Only Jesus can bring us into the most Holy of Holies. Jesus did not say, "I am one of many roads to God." What He said was, "I am THE way." That wasn't arrogance, or narrow-mindedness, or lack of compassion. It was truth---because only Christ came from Heaven to pay the price for our sins. He IS the Lamb of God that takes away our sins. Follow Christ and never be lost.
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Post by Jessi on Jun 2, 2006 14:20:20 GMT -5
Did Paul choose God or did God choose Paul?
JEssi
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Post by Jessi on Jun 2, 2006 14:22:31 GMT -5
Is 61:10, Is 62:5, Jn 3:29, Rev 21:2
Bride of the Lord
Christ Lives, Jessi
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Post by Jessi on Jun 2, 2006 16:49:16 GMT -5
And you can also read the Bible where it talks about the marriage supper of the Lamb in Revelations. 19:6 +
The bride, "arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints."
Vs 9 "Blessed are they which are called unto the marrieage supper of the Lamb."
Who else is the church but the saints?
When we get to heave, there will not only be a marriage supper, but God will sing over us! Zeph 3:17.
Christ is the Bridegroom (and so is God -- Is 62:5) Jessi
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Just say no to radio
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Post by Just say no to radio on Jun 2, 2006 21:16:50 GMT -5
You better listen up....the workers don't believe in radio...AND NEITHER DOES GOD!!!
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Post by Haha on Jun 2, 2006 22:44:40 GMT -5
You better listen up....the workers don't believe in radio...AND NEITHER DOES GOD!!! Ha Ha-LoL. Then why did he give Marconi the brains to invent one?
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Post by Victum on Jun 2, 2006 23:03:42 GMT -5
What is a 'victum?'
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Post by veni vidi victum on Jun 2, 2006 23:06:07 GMT -5
a 'victum' of a no child left behind 'education?'
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Post by Simple to Liz on Jun 4, 2006 16:22:43 GMT -5
SJG: I disagree. I don't believe that 2x2's continue to be 2x2's because of blind ignorance. The 2x2 paradigm works for them, plain & simple. We are talking about a belief system, nothing more. God is within us all - 2x2's, christians, muslims, native americans, etc. We can all choose to 'walk in the light' every single day. The outward wrapping of what we label our belief system ('Baptist', Ba'hai, Hindu, etc.) is simply that - the wrappings. Anyone chained to a belief system is only limiting himself in experiencing the God within. So what did Jesus mean when he said " be born again"?
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