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Post by ClayRandall on May 29, 2006 22:25:13 GMT -5
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Post by nitro on May 29, 2006 22:37:23 GMT -5
Time will tell if "Prue/Bert" will be, as Rob so properly put it, "scrupulously consistent" as opposed to the initial confusion caused by lack of appropriate disclosure. I, for one, have nothing to fear from what she/he says - I look forward to actually discussing issues instead of wasting time wondering if Prue/Bert are being honest in what she/he says. Honest and sincere professing members on the TMB are the ones who have more to fear - fear of the kind of witness for the Friends & Workers that repulses and annoys instead of attracts and edifies. youtube.com/watch?v=5eBBgCgUbl0
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Post by Roy on May 30, 2006 0:53:11 GMT -5
;)Clay, Thanks for your website. It's sad when folks haven't learned truth. Then again, maybe that is why they join "The Truth". NO?
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Post by eurp on May 30, 2006 1:43:13 GMT -5
The whole board has about as much credibility as graffitti on a subway wall. How can you expect individuals (imaginary, dual or whatever) to have any?
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Post by ClayRandall on May 30, 2006 7:31:25 GMT -5
The whole board has about as much credibility as graffitti on a subway wall. How can you expect individuals (imaginary, dual or whatever) to have any? If so, then why are you here?
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Post by eurp on May 30, 2006 13:57:21 GMT -5
If so, then why are you here?
Good question Clay. I'll try to answer. Will you also answer your own question?
I'm here because I like the argument. I like it when people post patently absurd stuff. Its better comedy that the Simpsons. The verbal interplay between certain individuals is highly entertaining.
Why are you here?
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Post by mock on May 30, 2006 13:58:59 GMT -5
If so, then why are you here? Good question Clay. I'll try to answer. Will you also answer your own question? I'm here because I like the argument. I like it when people post patently absurd stuff. Its better comedy that the Simpsons. The verbal interplay between certain individuals is highly entertaining. Why are you here? a lot of people come here to mock and so forth. A few of them have the truth enter their hearts. It will be intresting to see if this happens to you. only time will tell.
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Post by ClayRandall on May 30, 2006 14:10:06 GMT -5
If so, then why are you here? Good question Clay. I'll try to answer. Will you also answer your own question? I'm here because I like the argument. I like it when people post patently absurd stuff. Its better comedy that the Simpsons. The verbal interplay between certain individuals is highly entertaining. Why are you here? I don't know, Eurp - the Simpsons are still pretty darn funny... I'm here because the Friends & Workers Fellowship represents 50% of my life span, not including the fact that my parents are still actively professing. I like to share my opinion of what I think is wrong with the F&W's as well as what I like about their fellowship. Of course I also come here to address what I think are misrepresentations about the Catholic Church and/or answer questions about Catholicism as best I can to those who are honestly curious. It's not in the proselytizing sense but rather to inform.
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Post by eurp on May 30, 2006 14:18:17 GMT -5
Well, Clay we agree on 2 important points.
1. The Simpsons are VERY funny. (but I still contend that many posts here come close)
2. There have been MANY mis-representations about the catholic Church here. There have been many mis-representations about 2x2's also, and of others.
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Post by gift on May 30, 2006 14:28:03 GMT -5
There have been many mis-representations about 2x2's also, and of others. Name a few? You know, we have been in the fellowship for a good deal of our lives. we do not speak as outsiders who have only attened a few meetings.
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Post by ClayRandall on May 30, 2006 14:59:13 GMT -5
Well, Clay we agree on 2 important points. 1. The Simpsons are VERY funny. (but I still contend that many posts here come close) I concur on both points. I still say the Simpsons are one of the funniest shows on TV. Any show that has the seacaptain guy hanging up the telephone while saying "Call me back, Ishmael" (a reference to Melville's Moby D i c k) is tops in my book. :-) 2. There have been MANY mis-representations about the catholic Church here. There have been many mis-representations about 2x2's also, and of others. Yes. When I see what I think is a misrepresentation of 2x2s I speak out in defense of them, as well.
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Post by BC on May 30, 2006 15:02:06 GMT -5
There have been many mis-representations about 2x2's also, and of others. Name a few? You know, we have been in the fellowship for a good deal of our lives. we do not speak as outsiders who have only attened a few meetings. Hi Gift, If you are consistantly posting under this name I have noticed that you Generalize an awful lot and take your personal experience as being the rule in this fellowship. I was initially the same when I first came to this board but now I know that what I see is so often tainted by who and what I am and some times I don't want to see things therefore I don't. Please feel free to state how things are for you or how you see things but refrain from generalising as many things you make statement of, appear to be of a different religion to that wich I fellowship in. [shadow=red,left,300]Regards BC[/shadow]
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Post by gift on May 30, 2006 15:40:46 GMT -5
Name a few? You know, we have been in the fellowship for a good deal of our lives. we do not speak as outsiders who have only attened a few meetings. Hi Gift, If you are consistantly posting under this name I have noticed that you Generalize an awful lot and take your personal experience as being the rule in this fellowship. I was initially the same when I first came to this board but now I know that what I see is so often tainted by who and what I am and some times I don't want to see things therefore I don't. Please feel free to state how things are for you or how you see things but refrain from generalising as many things you make statement of, appear to be of a different religion to that wich I fellowship in. [shadow=red,left,300]Regards BC[/shadow]Could you let me know where I've been 'generalising' in talking about the fellowship? 3 or 4 examples would be nice
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Post by eurp on May 30, 2006 15:45:23 GMT -5
Gift said "we have been in the fellowship for a good deal of our lives. we do not speak as outsiders "
Who is "we"?
Is this another Pruebert poster? Dual personality?
I didn't accuse YOU of misrepresentation, just said that there have been many.
Here's a few examples:
2x2 women must wear their hair in a bun.
2x2 women are not allowed to wear trousers
2x2s are not Christians
2x2s do not believe in God the Son.
2x2s say all non 2x2s are unsaved.
enough examples?
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Post by gift on May 30, 2006 15:50:44 GMT -5
Gift said "we have been in the fellowship for a good deal of our lives. we do not speak as outsiders " Who is "we"? most ex members on these boards No, because these examples do not pretain to my post and what I've said in the past. That being said, there are a few 2x2s who believe in God the son and there are a few 2x2s who believe non2x2s are saved. But these types of 2x2s are few and far between. And the exception does not make the rule. If you care to believe that most 2x2s believe Jesus is God and that non2x2s have hope of salvation outside the 2x2 fellowship, then you go ahead and beleive that.
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Post by eurp on May 30, 2006 15:56:22 GMT -5
I didn't claim that you "Gift" made these statements.
How do you know there are "few" who believe in God the Son? How many do you know? How many have you asked? Were they geographically representative? It could be that those you have met in your experience, in your area meet your description. Doesn't mean all do.
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Post by gift on May 30, 2006 16:07:38 GMT -5
I didn't claim that you "Gift" made these statements. How do you know there are "few" who believe in God the Son? How many do you know? How many have you asked? Were they geographically representative? It could be that those you have met in your experience, in your area meet your description. Doesn't mean all do. The error that you're making is in thinking that I've not talked to a lot of people, heard what a lot of the friends believe, or understand that not everyone believes the every same thing. It seems to be that your goal is to show me that I do not speak for everyone for all time. This is something I already know. I speak for myself based on what I've experienced and what I've heard, read, or watched what others have experienced in the fellowship. Your attempt to reach this goal is not something I really care about since it doesn't really matter in the long run. Since reading your posts today, I'll ive seen you do is whine about people wanting to distroy the fellowship and how not everyone speaks for everyone else. Do you have anything else to add today?
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Post by Zorro on May 30, 2006 16:08:36 GMT -5
How do you know there are "few" who believe in God the Son? How many do you know? How many have you asked? Were they geographically representative? It could be that those you have met in your experience, in your area meet your description. Doesn't mean all do.
Let's get beyond this nonsensical approach, shall we? I'd suggest that you consider doing this: ask as many workers as you feel necessary a very simple question - "Do you believe the overseers represent the doctrines and beliefs of the F&Ws belief system". I did this and the unanimous consensus was "yes". So then I had these conversations with overseers (my state and the bordering state) and paid special attention to what visiting overseers said at conventions. I will tell you the unanimous consensus of two issues on your list: Jesus is NOT God incarnate and this fellowship is the only means of salvation on the earth. On the issue of whether a non2x2 can be saved the current politically correct answer is "yes" with a caveat - anyone saved outside of the fold will be drawn to the fellowship, where if they reject it, they lose their salvation.
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Post by good on May 30, 2006 16:15:39 GMT -5
Gift said "we have been in the fellowship for a good deal of our lives. we do not speak as outsiders " Who is "we"? most ex members on these boards No, because these examples do not pretain to my post and what I've said in the past. That being said, there are a few 2x2s who believe in God the son and there are a few 2x2s who believe non2x2s are saved. But these types of 2x2s are few and far between. And the exception does not make the rule. If you care to believe that most 2x2s believe Jesus is God and that non2x2s have hope of salvation outside the 2x2 fellowship, then you go ahead and beleive that. good god man, you'er back and forth like the wind
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Post by bad on May 30, 2006 16:18:04 GMT -5
do you always take the Lord's name in vain?
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