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Post by ClayRandall on May 29, 2006 17:13:11 GMT -5
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Post by Rob O on May 29, 2006 18:49:21 GMT -5
Very good, Clay.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2006 8:16:46 GMT -5
8) Repetitively quote/isolate scripture: Sometimes the more people memorize highly specific verses the less comfortable they are with the bible in general.
I have seen this principle in action over and over again. People do not have a grasp of the scope of biblical teaching in a certain given area and so are unable to clearly articulate any specific answers to specific questions, or have enough of an understanding to grasp why there might be differing opinions that can have equal merit to their own.
It also does not allow for an equal playing field when debate/argument (in the classic sense), would be helpful.
Well put Clay.
Karl
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Post by amazed on May 30, 2006 12:47:55 GMT -5
This is one of the things that "amazed" me when I became a Christian. (I don't believe that I ever was one before, in or out of the f&w) I had grown up hearing stories from the Bible, "knowing we were the only way", feeling sure that the rest of the world was lost, even when I was "part of the world". When I finally found someone who knew the Truth, Jesus, God the Son, died, buried and raised again I was so amazed that these people knew the Bible. Could truly discuss and study scripture. I have so enjoyed studying the Bible with my new brothers and sisters in Christ. I have also enjoyed so much of what I have learned on this board. The positives outweigh the negatives.
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Post by IQ on May 30, 2006 14:35:51 GMT -5
The article is well written and does share a "tactic" that is often used many.
I believe these "tactics" are used by many, whether in the "group of friends and workers" or not in the "group of friends and workers". Self-justification is a human trait...as in reasoning and excuses.
No one is better or worse because it, simply it's one's way of how they perceive it to be.
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Post by bumpity on May 31, 2006 8:09:09 GMT -5
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Post by for pruebert on May 31, 2006 19:27:11 GMT -5
pruebert has complained of not having his-her questions answered but hasn't bothered to read the indepth articles on this site??!!!
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Post by lizzy on May 31, 2006 23:46:07 GMT -5
Prue, Clay and anyone else who wastes time on all this dialog. Just keep it simple, know your Jesus and live Him. Forget the "whose right" mentality and take care of your own salvation through Jesus.
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Post by Rob O on May 31, 2006 23:54:56 GMT -5
Lizzy,
How does your view as stated "fit" within the context of the following scriptures?
"but in your hearts regard Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you;" (1 Peter 3:15, ESV)
"I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching." (2 Timothy 4:1-2, ESV)
"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9, ESV)
"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work. " (2 Timothy 3:16-17, ESV)
"Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth." (2 Timothy 2:15, ESV)
I really would like to know, because for myself, I believe that if I were to do as you suggest, that I would be intentionally disobeying what God has laid on my heart through these scriptures.
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Post by eurp on Jun 1, 2006 1:39:47 GMT -5
The quoted verses all imply a "readiness" to answer questions asked of the Christian. They do not encourage pushing doctrines onto others.
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Post by Rob O on Jun 1, 2006 1:41:17 GMT -5
This is your opinion. Just because you hold this opinion does not make it true.
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Post by eurp on Jun 1, 2006 1:53:57 GMT -5
correct. We are entitled to have completely opposing opinions, and there is not judge of who is right, (this side of eternity).
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Post by Rob O on Jun 1, 2006 1:54:36 GMT -5
Is that a fact?
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Post by eurp on Jun 1, 2006 1:57:31 GMT -5
there are no facts, only opinions
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Post by Rob O on Jun 1, 2006 1:58:19 GMT -5
Is that true?
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Post by eurp on Jun 1, 2006 1:59:39 GMT -5
What is truth? How is it defined?
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Post by Rob O on Jun 1, 2006 2:02:05 GMT -5
Truth exists where a proposition corresponds with its referents.
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Post by eurp on Jun 1, 2006 3:34:00 GMT -5
"Truth exists where a proposition corresponds with its referents. "
This is tantamount to saying that its true if the sender and the receiver agree.
My opinion is that your definition is untrue.
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Post by Rob O on Jun 1, 2006 3:48:11 GMT -5
Are you always so dogmatic even when it's patently obvious you don't have a clue what you're objecting to?
Let me rephrase that a bit more nicely.
If you don't understand what I'm talking about, why not ask for clarification instead of making a completely irrelevant and erroneous assumption and heading off on a tangent that has nothing to do with what I said?
Ps. My first statement in this post is not very nice and I apologize for that. I have left it though, as I'm not going to pretend I didn't react as I did. It frustrates me when someone clearly doesn't understand what has been said and then decides to make objections which are based on something which isn't even relevant.
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Post by ClayRandall on Jun 1, 2006 8:23:50 GMT -5
correct. We are entitled to have completely opposing opinions, and there is not judge of who is right, (this side of eternity). How magnanimous of you... Here you say that "there is not judge of who is right", but your website is, when printed out, forty-eight pages of doing just that. Ever heard of the term "Cognitive Dissonance"?
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Post by Rob O on Jun 1, 2006 8:45:10 GMT -5
Umm....Clay. Eurp isn't Prue.
Although now I think about it, Eurp is Prue spelt backwards so who knows.
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Post by ClayRandall on Jun 1, 2006 8:51:22 GMT -5
Although now I think about it, Eurp is Prue spelt backwards so who knows. My thoughts, exactly. The name is too coincidental not to be connected somehow. Even if Eurp isn't Prue (and who knows, since Prue has not demonstrated much inclinication to stay with a consistent name), the choice of spelling p r u e backwards indicates an endorsement of the contents of the website of Prue......er.....Bert.......er.....Pruebert.......er...."Mildly Curious"....er.....whatever. *yawn*
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Post by m2 on Jun 1, 2006 8:51:36 GMT -5
Maybe there's really three of 'em! One would really have to wonder.
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Post by ClayRandall on Jun 1, 2006 9:04:05 GMT -5
Maybe there's really three of 'em! One would really have to wonder. Right. If so, Eurp would probably be my favorite - she/he has a better sense of humor (and likes the Simpsons)...
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Post by prue eurp backwards on Jun 1, 2006 10:02:04 GMT -5
Hi all. prue here. seriously, i am not "eurp" i do believe strongly there are facts, and there are opinions, and the 2 sometimes are not the same. and i dont like the simpsons because i cant digest one joke every 30 seconds.
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Post by Hmmmm on Jun 1, 2006 10:51:53 GMT -5
"Eurp" is "Prue" spelled backwards...
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Post by eurp on Jun 1, 2006 11:19:56 GMT -5
"Here you say that "there is not judge of who is right", but your website is, when printed out, forty-eight pages of doing just that.
Ever heard of the term "Cognitive Dissonance"? "
I declare that I am not Prue, have never seen Prue, talked to Prue, and other than on this board have not communicated with Prue.
ps I have heard the term cognitive dissonance. I do not feel uncomfortable with any new information presented.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2006 23:23:51 GMT -5
Eurp. er... I was trying to figure out what your 48 page web site was, and it dawned on me that someone thought that I was you. Did we really do FORTY EIGHT PAGES? signed, treb (bert backwards)
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