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Post by wondering on May 28, 2006 16:01:16 GMT -5
Does calling Jesus The Son of God make Him any less divine than calling Him, God the Son? Bearing in mind that the words Son of God are actual words in the Bible where as the words God The Son are not actual words in the Bible.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on May 28, 2006 16:45:27 GMT -5
I think "Son of God" means "God in the flesh" as the "the Word made flesh" and "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" both testify to God the Son.
I'm just thinking that "God the Son" came as emphasis from some when they talked with others that believed not 'Son of God" is God in the flesh. In like manner I think "trinity" came about as emphassis from some when they talked with others that believed not the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God, meaning the three are one. To say another way, man has attempted to expalin in their own words ("God the Son" and "trinity") to people who could not understand and accept words of the Bible that mean the same thing. ('Son of God", "Godhead", and "the three are one").
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Post by studylearning on May 28, 2006 16:56:36 GMT -5
Yes I agree with Greg. The real issue is, Do you believe Jesus is God incarnate.
John 8:57-59 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
Isaiah 44:6-8 (King James Version) 6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Philippians 2:6 (King James Version)
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Colossians 2:8-9 (King James Version)
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily
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Post by if jesus is god on May 28, 2006 18:01:48 GMT -5
If Jesus IS God...why does He pray to God?
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on May 28, 2006 18:09:45 GMT -5
If Jesus IS God...why does He pray to God? The human (flesh and blood) of Jesus the Son of man prayed.
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Post by wondering on May 28, 2006 20:08:27 GMT -5
I am just wondering if someone would care to just answer the question.
Does calling Jesus The Son of God make Him any less divine than calling Him, God the Son?
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Post by OK on May 28, 2006 20:17:57 GMT -5
I am just wondering if someone would care to just answer the question. Does calling Jesus The Son of God make Him any less divine than calling Him, God the Son? NO Jesus is diety. Jesus was fully God and man.
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Post by Rob O on May 28, 2006 20:26:55 GMT -5
No. The phrase "Son of God" is actually an ascription of deity to Christ. But modern readers usually interpret this in light of their own experience, rather than asking "What did this phrase mean in that culture and context?"
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Post by wondering on May 29, 2006 3:54:04 GMT -5
I am just wondering if someone would care to just answer the question. Does calling Jesus The Son of God make Him any less divine than calling Him, God the Son? NO Jesus is diety. Jesus was fully God and man. So now I wonder why the good folk in the 2x2 fellowship get lambasted for not using God the Son but using The Son of God? As if to say using The Son of God is wrong, but God the Son is right. Looks to me like satan is doing the same work on all who put this forward as he did on Eve.
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Post by to wondering on May 29, 2006 6:27:30 GMT -5
So now I wonder why the good folk in the 2x2 fellowship get lambasted for not using God the Son but using The Son of God? As if to say using The Son of God is wrong, but God the Son is right. Looks to me like satan is doing the same work on all who put this forward as he did on Eve. I wondered if there was an agenda to your question. The 2x2 fellowship allowed teaching has been "Jesus is the Son of God and is not God[/u]. Jesus wa a man who denied his own self for his salvation and that of the world."
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Post by getting it right on Jun 27, 2006 21:19:31 GMT -5
I take it that some of you place such great importance in this "Jesus is God", Vs. "Jesus is God's son"....that one's salvation is at stake if one doesn't get it figured out correctly.
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Post by I8TWKLC on Jun 28, 2006 16:20:46 GMT -5
I take it that some of you place such great importance in this "Jesus is God", Vs. "Jesus is God's son"....that one's salvation is at stake if one doesn't get it figured out correctly. We are trying to figure out. Jesus is Jesus. This is more complicated than it may appear, mind you. As by the way you say the former, Jesus, we accept this to mean that the writer was refering to the second person of Godhead, but since the godhead is one person, then it is also refering to the first person. therefore to say Jesus is Jesus is a correct way of expressing the godhead in a direct manner. It is not necessary for you to believe that Jesus is Jesus, if you actually think that in doing so, you may be indirectly be refering to the first person of the godhead, in which case, if you have a sound logical reason for not believing the Catholic version of the doctrine of trinity, and you do not wish to study their theology in whole, it may be better to just pass on these statements until you have had proper instruction in the Greek, Latin, and Hebrew bibles, for to teach others a false teaching, may well put the teacher in danger of heresy.
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Post by Rob O on Jun 28, 2006 18:49:55 GMT -5
Trinitarians do not say that the Godhead is one person.
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