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Post by former bitter dude on May 26, 2006 17:29:28 GMT -5
I wonder if the bitterness of some ex-friends (justified or not) is causing the friends to believe what workers tell them about the evil websites? So we could be helping the exclusive friends and workers by proving to them that people become bitter when they "lose out!' I am thankful for those who have left the fellowship and yet seem sane and reasonable. When we seem full of hate toward anyone professing, we are driving professing folks away from finding out the truth about "the truth!"
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Post by Bryanfromalaska on May 26, 2006 17:33:20 GMT -5
BINGO!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2006 19:29:19 GMT -5
Gotta agree.
Also as an ex, I still find it difficult to reconcile some of the comments made on this board. There has got to be a better way to do things.
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Post by nitro on May 26, 2006 20:15:28 GMT -5
I still find it difficult to reconcile some of the comments made on this board. There has got to be a better way to do things. Register to be a member and be held accountable. To many hit and run trolls.
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Post by Simple on May 28, 2006 16:48:41 GMT -5
I wonder if the bitterness of some ex-friends (justified or not) is causing the friends to believe what workers tell them about the evil websites? So we could be helping the exclusive friends and workers by proving to them that people become bitter when they "lose out!' I am thankful for those who have left the fellowship and yet seem sane and reasonable. When we seem full of hate toward anyone professing, we are driving professing folks away from finding out the truth about "the truth!" Do you know the difference between hate and love? If a parent tells their kids not to play on the freeway and they do anyway. Should they receive a stern warning from someone else who knows the danger, or should you just smile at them and give them a hug of empowerment? Don't get confused about what is true and what is not true. appearances are deceiving. how many knew who Jesus was? How many here have real experience with Jesus? Let's hear some testimony !
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Post by christian spirit on May 28, 2006 18:12:34 GMT -5
I agree with "bitter dude". The venomous attacks with witch some exes assail their former brethren & friends, can easily be used by those still in the way, as proof positive, that exes (and X-workers) are clearly led astray by Satan.
I am neither an X nor am I professing. I was raised professing, and married into the truth. If the exes could show more in the way of Christian love, understanding & forgiveness, this could be seen as a truly Christian attitude...rather than the venom....which doesn't come across as being what most would consider as a loving Christian spirit.
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Post by Simple on May 28, 2006 18:21:20 GMT -5
I agree with "bitter dude". The venomous attacks with witch some exes assail their former brethren & friends, can easily be used by those still in the way, as proof positive, that exes (and X-workers) are clearly led astray by Satan. I am neither an X nor am I professing. I was raised professing, and married into the truth. If the exes could show more in the way of Christian love, understanding & forgiveness, this could be seen as a truly Christian attitude...rather than the venom....which doesn't come across as being what most would consider as a loving Christian spirit. They are a poisened well. They need the Truth, and they need it now. Those who are afraid of words, are afraid of Truth !! We cannot follow Jesus in fear. The devil stops the flesh, not the Spirit of God !! Why are you all sooooooo superficial, and shallow? Where is your Faith ?
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Post by Greg lee unplugged on May 28, 2006 18:28:25 GMT -5
I agree with "bitter dude". The venomous attacks with witch some exes assail their former brethren & friends, can easily be used by those still in the way, as proof positive, that exes (and X-workers) are clearly led astray by Satan. I am neither an X nor am I professing. I was raised professing, and married into the truth. If the exes could show more in the way of Christian love, understanding & forgiveness, this could be seen as a truly Christian attitude...rather than the venom....which doesn't come across as being what most would consider as a loving Christian spirit. Can you show us how that should be done? So far I moslty have read a hatred for the teachings of man of the workers. I have read the encouragement to not follow and not allow such teachings. I have read the accounts of some that felt the need to leave the workers' church because of those teachings. Pray tell, how else can one show love to those in the workers' church without indicating following the manmade teachings is okay? And Pray tell, is it only hatred of those formerly of the church to those in the church that you see or do you see and simply choose to ignore (at this point) the hatred of those in the church to those formerly in the church? I have seen personal attacks (hatred?) from those in on those out and those out on those in, but this seems to be done mostly anonymously. Also, how can one be "raised professing"? Do you mean you had parents in the church? You know, some/many in the church do not allow that "professing" means "in the church" but "having a belief and following of the Christ". If that be so, then your admission of being raised "professing" means you were raised "in Christ". Maqybe we should reply to some posts that indicate a hatred of another person with something along the line of "Disregard this post for it only is a personal hatred of "persons in/persons formerly in" the workers' church.
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Post by for christian spirit on May 29, 2006 12:11:40 GMT -5
Don't want this to get too deep in the list.
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Post by Anon on May 29, 2006 20:42:19 GMT -5
I am glad some ex-friends here seem so settled and happy. They don't bash the friends and workers. They kindly express their concerns about the doctrine of the group in such areas as dress, entertainment, only way belief, and ministry elevation. But they are kind toward others. Thank you so much. You are being the right example in the truest sense of the word.
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Post by Sylvestra on May 30, 2006 10:46:40 GMT -5
Dear All,
I think it is correct that "honey draws the flies" and a "swatter drives them away". NOW, I don't mean the F & W are flies or bugs or something LOL!
I also recognize that as people become aware of the issues we discuss here about the beginnings, etc., there is a mourning process for some that includes normal deep anger and grief. I believe that is why a number old-timers are still here to help them out. Those still in the F & W church may not understand this anger and grief and misinterpret it as well. So be it...that is part of the fray.
I never want to reprimand those who are still working through the anger and grief for speaking out with it showing. They need to vent. If some interpret that as "bitter" it can't be helped. We have even seen a number come here who were still "in", but are not longer!
Some who are well past the early stages of leaving, find different levels of directness comfortable. I wish I could be more direct with my family and friends in the F & W church. Brad was mentioning on another Board that he is talking to his parents about this. How I wish I were able to do that! Here I have my Dad living right with us, and instead of talking directly to him, I study the bible with him and sit in meetings with him and in doing so, I get my say. But, see, my methods are different.
Best to each, in Him, Edy
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Post by l on May 30, 2006 10:49:48 GMT -5
Yes Edy we all see things differantly i guess in how to do various stuff
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Post by eurp on May 30, 2006 13:46:25 GMT -5
Nevertheless its stil clear that the intent on many is to destroy the 2x2 fellowship.
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Post by yesno on May 30, 2006 13:50:53 GMT -5
Nevertheless its stil clear that the intent on many is to destroy the 2x2 fellowship. To destory the false teachings that make up the fellowship? Yes. To make everyone stop going to meetings? Not really.
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Post by eurp on May 30, 2006 14:04:28 GMT -5
"False teachings " ?
How do you dtermine "false"? (those you don't agree with?)
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Post by gift on May 30, 2006 14:09:46 GMT -5
"False teachings " ? How do you dtermine "false"? (those you don't agree with?) Those that cannot be backed up with using scritpure. For example, the belief that God commands that we should ONLY meet in the homes on Sunday morning for worship. This is a false teaching and cannot be backed up using the bible.
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Post by eurp on May 30, 2006 14:21:14 GMT -5
to gift..
"...and cannot be backed up using the bible. "
It can be backed up using the bible, its just that you disagree with those who attempt to do so. Thats your option to disagree. Its your choice to disagree. But its based on your opinion (possibly shared with many others).
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Post by gift on May 30, 2006 14:29:56 GMT -5
to gift.. "...and cannot be backed up using the bible. " It can be backed up using the bible, its just that you disagree with those who attempt to do so. Thats your option to disagree. Its your choice to disagree. But its based on your opinion (possibly shared with many others). If you say it is so, then prove it is so by backing it up with Scripture. No where in the bible does God command us to meet only in homes for Sunday morning worship. I bet you cannot back it up that this is what God commands.
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Post by BC on May 30, 2006 15:15:26 GMT -5
Gift, I am not going to try and back the meeting in home up with scripture because I know there are many different interpretations on the said scripture depending on your stand point. What I will point out is that all religions that I have had a close association with, have points of worship or doctrine that are not backed up scriptually but are accepted only because some person decided it appropriate and the majority have accepted it. This to me is not a problem unless the implimentation takes peoples focus off the Lord our God or hides critical scripture or even Jesus from the people.
[shadow=red,left,300]Regards BC[/shadow]
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Post by eurp on May 30, 2006 15:39:43 GMT -5
Gift
your "betting" that I can't back up this doctrine with scripture does not mean that I have no scripture to justify to myself that it is right. As BC pointed out, different interpretations mean different things to different people. We could get into a great argument about what certain verses mean, but whats the point in that.
It would be as pointless as me asking you to prove from scripture that meeting elsewhere than homes is right. A fruitfless exercise.
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Post by gift on May 30, 2006 15:46:09 GMT -5
But this isnt the case when it comes to the teaching that we should only meet in the homes for Sunday morning fellowship.
And I'm not talking about different interpretations or anything of the sort. I'm talking about teachings that we've heard over and over again in the fellowship which are stated as facts and not different interpretations.
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Post by eurp on May 30, 2006 15:53:04 GMT -5
"I'm talking about teachings that we've heard over and over again in the fellowship which are stated as facts and not different interpretations"
You should have said "I'm talking about teachings that * I've * heard over and over again in the fellowship which are stated as facts and not different interpretations"
You cannot claim that "we" have heard this if you mean to inlcude me. Nor can you claim that ALL have heard this unless you poll ALL. For whom do you speak?
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Post by gift on May 30, 2006 15:56:37 GMT -5
Why on earth would you think I would be including you when I used the word we?
Did I use the word all?
For myself
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Post by eurp on May 30, 2006 15:59:00 GMT -5
So, "we" means yourself. OK
I was trying to determine what you meant when YOU wrote "...I'm talking about teachings that we've heard over and over... "
Now that we narrow it down a bit, you are speaking about what YOU have heard.
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Post by Jessi on May 30, 2006 15:59:51 GMT -5
II Peter 1:20 - Knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation 21 - For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man; but holy menof God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Read the book of Isaiah and ask yourself if Christianity hinges upon where Christians meet for worship. Before one can worship God, it would seem one should know who He is. If you are still fighting about where you meet for worship or group tendencies, etc, may God help you.
False prophets: II Peter 2:1+
Jesus is the Answer and only His name can save (Acts 4:12, Acts 20:28) He is God. He is mighty to save (Is 63:1)
Christ reigns, Jessi
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Post by Sylvestra on May 30, 2006 16:02:11 GMT -5
Gift your "betting" that I can't back up this doctrine with scripture does not mean that I have no scripture to justify to myself that it is right. As BC pointed out, different interpretations mean different things to different people. We could get into a great argument about what certain verses mean, but whats the point in that. It would be as pointless as me asking you to prove from scripture that meeting elsewhere than homes is right. A fruitfless exercise. How about "anywhere" two or three are met together" He will be there? Isn't that what Jesus said? Edy
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Post by eurp on May 30, 2006 16:03:14 GMT -5
Jessi on what you wrote, we are not disagreed, but if I "ask myself", then am I not seeking my own opinion. And who am I to have opinions?
I wonder why Peter restricted his statement on interpretations to "prophesies"?
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Post by gift on May 30, 2006 16:12:31 GMT -5
So, "we" means yourself. OK No, that is not what I meant. What is your problem? Other former members on here have heard the every same thing. They've spoken about it on these sites, in books, and on email lists. I am using their personal experiences to arrive at the word 'we'. Not exclusively what only I’ve experienced. You know, this is getting really dull.
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