|
Post by StillInTruth on May 24, 2006 21:08:12 GMT -5
I have noticed that there are people on this board that seem to have a great deal of bitterness towards the "Truth". Having a relative that has been hurt by "Truth's" scandals, I understand the feelings of bitterness that some still feel.
I have noticed that some of you believe, as do I, that an individual does not have to be in "Truth" to be saved.
However, I have also noticed that some of you seem to believe that an individual still in "Truth" is either beyond salvation or unlikely to be saved simply because they are still part of a deceptive system.
The following questions are for those of you that have left "Truth":
Do you believe that those still in "Truth" can be saved? If no, why?
|
|
|
Post by Gene on May 24, 2006 21:12:10 GMT -5
I have noticed that there are people on this board that seem to have a great deal of bitterness towards the "Truth". Having a relative that has been hurt by "Truth's" scandals, I understand the feelings of bitterness that some still feel. I have noticed that some of you believe, as do I, that an individual does not have to be in "Truth" to be saved. However, I have also noticed that some of you seem to believe that an individual still in "Truth" is either beyond salvation or unlikely to be saved simply because they are still part of a deceptive system. The following questions are for those of you that have left "Truth": Do you believe that those still in "Truth" can be saved? If no, why? I believe many in the f&w church are born again saved christians. There are many great people in that church, and I have great respect and love for many of them, friends and workers alike. There are problems with the f&w system, just as there are problems with all systems this side of heaven (and Iowa), but thank God that salvation does not come through a system. And yes, I'm an ex in the sense that I do not attend meetings regularly.
|
|
|
Post by Rob O on May 24, 2006 21:14:40 GMT -5
I believe God's grace and power and willingness to save is not bounded by any group. Christ is salvation and He is accessible to all who seek the God that is. On those grounds, yes, people in the group can be saved. I have concern for those who put the method above the message. I have greater concern for those whose message is that the method is all-important.
|
|
|
Post by bonnie unlogged on May 24, 2006 21:57:12 GMT -5
Ditto Rob!
I would like to tell you a story of a wife who wanted her professing husband to go to the church she had been going to for the past several months. He agreed to go the following weekend.
Her husband had the opportunity to go to six weeks of gospel meetings in the last months but didn't attend any.
The worker called Sat night of the weekend he was going to go with her, and said they were just calling because they hoped to see us in the morning at meeting.
Said husband I'll be there. So needless to say the wife was very hurt, because the husband said I haven't seen them in awhile. So of course the wife politely pointed out that the husband had six weeks of chances, and the reason the worker called at all, which had never happend was because the husband has a wife who is lost, and the professing husband had not been at gospel meetings.
This is the part that just bugs me. No conviction yet continuing to go. I to think that the system has people in bondage.
I do believe that those in the meetings are able and many are saved. But when the system as Rob pointed out is stronger than the message, I just don't understand.
Hope this makes since.
|
|
dea
Junior Member
Posts: 76
|
Post by dea on May 24, 2006 22:51:03 GMT -5
Salvation is a matter between an INDIVIDUAL and God, not you the church and God.
|
|
|
Post by one of them on May 25, 2006 0:36:45 GMT -5
<< and the reason the worker called at all, which had never happend was because the husband has a wife who is lost, and the professing husband had not been at gospel meetings. >>
That would seem to be a HUGE assumptiion. Just as it would be an assumption if I said that the worker was prompted by the Holy Spirit to call the man and help him choose which direction to take.
|
|
|
Post by Saved on May 25, 2006 4:33:04 GMT -5
Its very clear that NO-ONE in the workers church could be saved.
How could they, with such wrong and unfair teachings?
They are all doomed to the lost eternty they speak so much about.
|
|
|
Post by IllinoisGal on May 25, 2006 6:45:03 GMT -5
Its very clear that NO-ONE in the workers church could be saved. How could they, with such wrong and unfair teachings? They are all doomed to the lost eternty they speak so much about. I think this is a very broad brush statement. I have learned alot in my time on this board. I dont think any of us can say who is or isnt saved.None of us have made it yet. I do however believe there is a straight path that leads to heaven and no one will get there by accident.
|
|
|
Post by bonnie unlogged on May 25, 2006 11:24:37 GMT -5
<< and the reason the worker called at all, which had never happend was because the husband has a wife who is lost, and the professing husband had not been at gospel meetings. >> That would seem to be a HUGE assumptiion. Just as it would be an assumption if I said that the worker was prompted by the Holy Spirit to call the man and help him choose which direction to take. Huge assumption? I don't think so. Workers have never called our home to ask if they'd see us in meeting. They never had to before because we were always there. It is not like I had a problem with the call it was the way my spouse reacted to that call.
|
|