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Post by reader on May 24, 2006 19:30:23 GMT -5
"The church in the home is a part of Jesus, just as the ministry is a part of Jesus, and you cannot have the blood of Jesus without accepting all of Jesus...The truth is the two-and-two ministry and the church meeting in the home." - William Peterson, 2x2 worker
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Post by and on May 24, 2006 20:44:22 GMT -5
"The church in the home is a part of Jesus, just as the ministry is a part of Jesus, and you cannot have the blood of Jesus without accepting all of Jesus...The truth is the two-and-two ministry and the church meeting in the home." - William Peterson, 2x2 worker and it would do you good to learn the lesson ;D
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Post by prue on May 24, 2006 20:59:18 GMT -5
To reader, "lesson of the day" That's like giving a history lesson and saying "there was this guy called Christoper Columbus." End of lesson. Don't isolate facts for effects.
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Post by Dont question Just do on May 24, 2006 21:08:23 GMT -5
Prue, Because a worker said it, that's the way it is, so stop questioning! A real 2x2 will not question the workers statement of their facts!
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Post by Cherie Kropp on May 24, 2006 21:25:55 GMT -5
As information, Wm Peterson was given the exit letter I wrote and he wrote his comments on my letter; the letter was then returned to me. WmP was an Oklahoma overseer worker for many years, and then became the Kansas Overseer. He died sometime in the past couple years at the nursing home used by many workers located in Guthrie, OK.
The above quoted statement was written on that letter.
CK
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2006 0:05:34 GMT -5
"The church in the home is a part of Jesus, just as the ministry is a part of Jesus, and you cannot have the blood of Jesus without accepting all of Jesus...The truth is the two-and-two ministry and the church meeting in the home." - William Peterson, 2x2 worker I find it rather amazing how the 2x2 group had succeeded in indoctrinating people into considering that the 'Sunday morning meeting in the home' was a principle that Jesus taught or supported. This dogmatic concept is completely a product of 2x2 fantacy -- without the slightest backing in the gospel story.
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Post by Phyllis on May 25, 2006 0:51:19 GMT -5
"I find it rather amazing how the 2x2 group had succeeded in indoctrinating people into considering that the 'Sunday morning meeting in the home' was a principle that Jesus taught or supported."
This is an accusation based on an extension of dogma that doesn't actually exist.
It stems from Edgars denial that anything in the bible other than Jesus actual words are not from God. Anything Paul (or others) wrote is not necessarily Gods will for man.
This denial of scripture will make all manner of things invalid in the deniers eyes.
While its true that 2x2s teach that the Sunday meeting in the home is the "right" method, it is not taught that Jesus instituted it.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on May 25, 2006 1:24:55 GMT -5
While its true that 2x2s teach that the Sunday meeting in the home is the "right" method, it is not taught that Jesus instituted it. The teaching in the workers' church is Jesus established the Sunday morning meeting the night before his capture, persecution, and subsequent crucifixion. Being that Jesus was around the following Sunday and the Sunday after that, seems those would have been good days to establish a pattern or example.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on May 25, 2006 1:36:31 GMT -5
To reader, "lesson of the day" That's like giving a history lesson and saying "there was this guy called Christoper Columbus." End of lesson. Don't isolate facts for effects. No, not at all. What was written about WIlliam Peterson (40+ words) could relate to Christopher Columbus (30+ words) as : "Christopher Columbus attempted to prove the world round and he obtained money from Queen Isabella and set-off westward. Yet he failed to sail around the world and 'discovered' the North American continent." You simply twisted and cut a little bit to demean and dismiss what was written. Amazing how vigorous is the holding to the workers' ministry and and their exclusivity and the meeting in the home, and yet the same for the deial of such. "We have the truth and are right because we have the right unpaid without-set-residence mostly unmarried and mostly in pairs ministry and we have no building other than a few convention buildings for our fellowship.....but don't take that statement as a judgement of others, oh no."
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Post by Jennie on May 25, 2006 2:30:37 GMT -5
"The teaching in the workers' church is Jesus established the Sunday morning meeting the night before his capture, persecution, and subsequent crucifixion. "
This is not true. Its not the teaching in the workers church. They teach that the Disciples established the Sunday morning meeting in the home in Acts.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on May 25, 2006 3:01:46 GMT -5
I'm sorry. I should have prefaced my remarks with "in my experience."
True meaning of words is difficult to establish. The teaching I had was Jesus instituted/established the Sunday morning meeting by example of what was done and by commandment of what was said to remember him during "the last supper".
Of course this might be different for others, as seems almost everythig is in the workers' church.
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Post by prue on May 25, 2006 5:56:13 GMT -5
Re the church which Jesus established.
Perhaps they really met on Thursday afternoons after bingo. Perhaps they had a rabbi, sacrificed virgins, called themselves the Knight Templars or dressed in halloween outfits.
Could someone on this board actually S-P-E-L-L out clearly what that first church did, seeing how it clearly wasn't what I said it was on my web site?
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Post by Rob O on May 25, 2006 6:47:05 GMT -5
Prue,
When you respond evasively and refuse to answer fair questions from others you lose the right to expect answers to your own questions. Treat others as you hope to be treated.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2006 8:43:57 GMT -5
Re the church which Jesus established. Perhaps they really met on Thursday afternoons after bingo. Perhaps they had a rabbi, sacrificed virgins, called themselves the Knight Templars or dressed in halloween outfits. Could someone on this board actually S-P-E-L-L out clearly what that first church did, seeing how it clearly wasn't what I said it was on my web site? Well, first they hid, then the Holy Spirit came and this general description happened wherever the Kingdom spread: Act 2:42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. Act 2:43 And awe came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. Act 2:44 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. Act 2:45 And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. Act 2:46 And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, Act 2:47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved. This happens still today. Believers do meet on Sundays, but the Apostle tells us that each day is holy, and that we are not to be bound by men/regulations that try to tell us something different. He tells us that Christ matters, not the motives or form behind declaring Him. Karl
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Post by ilylo on May 25, 2006 9:12:03 GMT -5
To reader, "lesson of the day" That's like giving a history lesson and saying "there was this guy called Christoper Columbus." End of lesson. Don't isolate facts for effects. Don't chastise "reader." Those aren't his/her words.
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Post by AND on May 25, 2006 10:00:53 GMT -5
And when ever the Holy Spirit presented those people spoke in toungues. From what I see this is going to be true until after the great tribulation. Yet many deny this as wrong. Peter spoke in tongues. How is it that if the model used by the 2x2 there is never any speaking in tongues?
Acts 2:3-5 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain
4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
Acts 10:45-47 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain
45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Acts 19:5-7 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain
5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7And all the men were about twelve.
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Post by junia on May 25, 2006 12:29:59 GMT -5
"The church in the home is a part of Jesus, just as the ministry is a part of Jesus, and you cannot have the blood of Jesus without accepting all of Jesus...The truth is the two-and-two ministry and the church meeting in the home." - William Peterson, 2x2 worker This quotation is really sad and unfortunately this mindset is still held by many workers and friends. Once a person realizes that the gospel is not a "way", with focus on a particular group and activities, and focus on a particular "ministry" and their method, to understanding that God himself is the gospel, it opens up a whole new world. Thankfully increasing numbers of friends and workers are beginning to grasp this radical concept.
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Post by Kent on May 25, 2006 12:35:24 GMT -5
Even sadder is that its very likely that this specific worker never said the quite attributed to him.
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Post by junia on May 25, 2006 12:40:11 GMT -5
Even sadder is that its very likely that this specific worker never said the quite attributed to him. Possibly, but I'll give the note-taker the benefit of the doubt. I've heard similar things myself.
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Post by Zorro on May 25, 2006 13:05:44 GMT -5
Kent said: Even sadder is that its very likely that this specific worker never said the quite attributed to him.
Cherie said: As information, Wm Peterson was given the exit letter I wrote and he wrote his comments on my letter; the letter was then returned to me. WmP was an Oklahoma overseer worker for many years, and then became the Kansas Overseer. He died sometime in the past couple years at the nursing home used by many workers located in Guthrie, OK.
The above quoted statement was written on that letter
Kent, are you calling Cherie a liar...or perhaps you didn't see her post.
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