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Post by opinion on May 23, 2006 6:44:27 GMT -5
They leave their sheltered professing homes. Especially hard for those raised in a home without TV, music and other worldliness. They head off to a dorm and room with a worldly person. Hard on women because of the differences in appearance between professing and worlding. Many professing young people learn the ways of the world while off to college. You try to make up lost time, so to speak.
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Post by prue on May 23, 2006 8:02:00 GMT -5
Dear opinion. The angel in Revelation said there will be "time no more." We see the fall of the churches, moral standards falling all the time and the restoration of Israel - just as Jesus warned. When you say you want to "make up for lost time," is this warning what you meant?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2006 8:24:28 GMT -5
Really in some aspects, the Christian standard of respect for the folks we live and move amongst -- Compassion and understanding for the downtrodden -- Respect for genuine honesty -- are things that don't exist in the realm of 2x2 doctrine. For 'proffessing' youth moving out to college on the their own for the first time , this contact with the real world is the first time that they get to experience the beauties of genuine life, and learn to appreciate and respect their 'neighbour' (which Jesus said was one of the very most important aspects of serving God!!)
Regarding themselves superior to others is a virtue in 2x2 circles -- and it is sometimes a shock for 2x2 youth to find out that beauty in spirit exists outside the counterfeit construction of 2x2 life, (that they have been taught is the only folks they can trust). Disrespect for the society of people God has placed us amongst, is a prime point of most cult doctrine.
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Post by ragde on May 23, 2006 9:01:18 GMT -5
Pity to spoil a good post with such judgemental language Edgar. Especially as its a false impression you give.
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Post by mrleo on May 23, 2006 9:09:05 GMT -5
I don't know if my experience was common or not, but when I went off to college I mainly socialized with a few other professing students, kept to the usual schedule of Sunday morning meeting, Wednesday night bible study and/or gospel meetings, worker visits, get-togethers, etc....I and these other young people pretty much remained in the 2x2 cocoon.
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Post by prue on May 23, 2006 9:34:28 GMT -5
To mrleo You said "I ... remained in the 2x2 cocoon" What cocoon are you in now?
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Post by mrleo on May 23, 2006 9:55:11 GMT -5
Good question, prue...I'm not sure we can know what cocoon we're in while we're in it. I didn't think of myself as being in a cocoon then...it is only with the distance of time that I see it that way now. Perhaps in a number of years I'll look back on this part of my life and say that I was in a "____________" cocoon. As long as I am alive, I hope that I am continuously transforming/growing/learning.
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Post by prue on May 23, 2006 10:29:10 GMT -5
To mrleo. The shortest verse in the bible says "Jesus wept." He mentioned no cocoon, but he did speak of drawing his people under his wing, like a hen gathers her chickens - but Jerusalem would not. There were some pretty good people in that city: fine, outstanding folk, having higher moral standards than people of today. Many who would never have partaken of the injustice against Jesus, and from their youths observed and obeyed all the laws. But they weren't where Jesus said they should be.
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Post by mrleo on May 23, 2006 10:42:04 GMT -5
And your point is...?
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Post by prue on May 23, 2006 10:49:13 GMT -5
mrleo, you said "And your point is...? " God cocooned his people from some pretty terrible things which went on around them.
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Post by mrleo on May 23, 2006 11:02:30 GMT -5
And your point is...?
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Post by bowhunter unplugged on May 23, 2006 17:01:48 GMT -5
Really in some aspects, the Christian standard of respect for the folks we live and move amongst -- Compassion and understanding for the downtrodden -- Respect for genuine honesty -- are things that don't exist in the realm of 2x2 doctrine. For 'proffessing' youth moving out to college on the their own for the first time , this contact with the real world is the first time that they get to experience the beauties of genuine life, and learn to appreciate and respect their 'neighbour' (which Jesus said was one of the very most important aspects of serving God!!) Right on Edgar-that was my impression also.I grew up in contact with more worldly than professing so I had a little less didain for the 'unsaved' but still didn't love like I should - a product of 2x2 thinking. Regarding themselves superior to others is a virtue in 2x2 circles -- and it is sometimes a shock for 2x2 youth to find out that beauty in spirit exists outside the counterfeit construction of 2x2 life, (that they have been taught is the only folks they can trust). Disrespect for the society of people God has placed us amongst, is a prime point of most cult doctrine.
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Post by to prue on May 23, 2006 17:08:32 GMT -5
You said, "and from their youths observed and obeyed all the laws."
You know someone who has observed and obeyed all of God's laws?
Interesting.
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Post by bowhunter on May 23, 2006 17:09:40 GMT -5
Please disregard above post-my computer skills and brain are on vacation today. I'll try again! Edgar you are right on-that was my observation also. After growing up in a 2x2 home and surrounded mostly by non-professing friends and relatives I should have had more of an open mind-but the holier than thou thinking persisted for years. I never went off to college but did work thru jr.high,high school and of course all my adult life.I have been in some interesting work environments including working for 2x2's(some of my more enjoyable times,actually)-God spoke often to me trying to show me I should not be so exclusive in my thinking and He was eventually successful.
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Post by prue on May 23, 2006 20:01:51 GMT -5
to "to prue" you said: You know someone who has observed and obeyed all of God's laws? Interesting. Yes, I think the rich man who came to Jesus said he had kept the commandments since his youth. I am sure he was believed. But then Jesus asked some works from him, ie sell what he had and followed him. And Paul seemed to have been quite observant of the laws too. Did he not say he was "zealous"
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Post by dea on May 24, 2006 2:25:18 GMT -5
Well said Edgar. Thanks for the courage to say what you think. While strongly worded, I agree with most everything you point out. It's those that choose to bury their heads in the sand that will miss out on life. It's so sad.
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Post by Happy Feet on May 24, 2006 4:11:07 GMT -5
wasn't Paul referring to when he was a Pharisee when he said that he was a zealous observer of the law.
I'm earning those stars.....
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Post by prue on May 24, 2006 5:52:53 GMT -5
believer, you asked "wasn't Paul referring to when he was a Pharisee when he said that he was a zealous observer of the law." He said the religious leaders have a zeal, but not after the law. But Paul mentioned the word often (King James, anyway) in describing himself.
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Post by opinion on May 24, 2006 6:48:44 GMT -5
Parents cannot make choices for their children.
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Post by Happy Feet on May 24, 2006 13:59:16 GMT -5
but Prue, wasn't Paul refering to being a zealous observer of the law before he became a Christian.
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