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Post by l on May 21, 2006 10:30:40 GMT -5
O.K. this Da Vinci Code needs to be debated because the main focus is that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children but the Catholic church covered this up.. I would like to hear debate for and against this line of thinking
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Post by selah on May 21, 2006 10:54:24 GMT -5
Hi Las,
In Catholocism, Jesus could not be divine if he married and had children. And, if Jesus is not divine, He is not God, and if he's not God..Christianity is out the window.
So, this movie is a fictional story about what would happen if the Catholics had discovered that Jesus was not divine. It creates the idea that the "secret" had to be protected and that his bloodline also had to be protected. (Soniere's grandaughter)
There are lots of things that are considered fact in this movie, which really are not.
One idea is that the Christian doctrine of Jesus being God, was introduced by Constantine at the Council of Nicea in 325 C.E. Yet, we have the New Testament which was written long before then, in which we read of Jesus' divinity.
The movie says that the character next to Jesus in Leonardo Da Vinci's painting of the Last Supper, is actually Mary, yet Leonardo, himself, identified this person as John.
Just a couple of thoughts, Linda
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Post by l on May 21, 2006 16:15:42 GMT -5
To Linda What do you say Linda was Jesus God
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Post by selah on May 21, 2006 16:25:15 GMT -5
Yes Jesus is God.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by to las on May 21, 2006 16:31:19 GMT -5
O.K. this Da Vinci Code needs to be debated because the main focus is that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children but the Catholic church covered this up.. I would like to hear debate for and against this line of thinking las how does this relate to the 2x2? when the 2x2 have no interest in it, and is completely irrelevant to us.
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Post by firstborn on May 21, 2006 17:02:23 GMT -5
O.K. this Da Vinci Code needs to be debated because the main focus is that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children but the Catholic church covered this up.. I would like to hear debate for and against this line of thinking las how does this relate to the 2x2? when the 2x2 have no interest in it, and is completely irrelevant to us. You might be careful speaking for the 2x2 group, human nature is a unpredictable force. I would guess that there will be some in the fellowship that will read this book. Not long ago the workers told of the evil on the message boards and a number of professing people were soon checking it out, including myself. As for the Dumb Vinci code, I have no interest personally in reading it, as I feel the bible was inspired of God as written.
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Post by Relevant on May 21, 2006 17:04:29 GMT -5
las how does this relate to the 2x2? when the 2x2 have no interest in it, and is completely irrelevant to us.
The book and the movie is relevant to ANY Christian. It is a full frontal assault on Christ's deity and the accuracy and adequacy of Scripture. If nothing else it's an EASY conversation starter.
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Post by l on May 21, 2006 18:27:57 GMT -5
To Firstborn Thanks firstborn you have really helped I believe the bible also is inspired of God why should I ever doubt that!
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Post by selah on May 21, 2006 18:45:09 GMT -5
I agree with Relevent. It's too easy to have a pat answer concerning things like Da Vinci Code. The world does not respond well to pat answers about our convictions.
Jesus was always relevent when he spoke. He spoke about farming to those who farmed. He spoke about sheep to those who were herders.
We need to speak about Da Vinci Code to the young people of Generation 3rd Day.
When the topic comes up, how does it help spread the gospel to say that "my faith is secure" and nothing more?
Blessings, Linda
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Post by bluejay on May 21, 2006 18:56:26 GMT -5
The morning in our church service, the pastor spoke about the incredible opportunity for all Christians now because of both the book and movie.
Most non-believes in Christ will never bring up the subject of Jesus or the Bible, but now many are commenting on this movie and it's questionable truth. They're curious -- and maybe want to know what different churches do believe about Jesus.
What a wonderful opening for us to be able to share even just a little bit of our beliefs. Many churches are holding "info" sessions for those both within and outside of the church -- to allow for a question and answer type of gathering. The church I attend is holding one tomorrow night, and will have a couple of pastors and an apparently well know theologian present.
Personally I haven't read the book, and have not felt drawn to see the movie. Not because it might "shake" my faith, but rather because my budgeted "movie money" is better spent for me on a comedy or something of that nature that allows me time to laugh and relax. Just my choice.
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Post by how on May 21, 2006 20:54:25 GMT -5
las how does this relate to the 2x2? when the 2x2 have no interest in it, and is completely irrelevant to us. The book and the movie is relevant to ANY Christian. It is a full frontal assault on Christ's deity and the accuracy and adequacy of Scripture. If nothing else it's an EASY conversation starter. how is it relevant to any christian? how does knowing about it change anything you have in Christ? it is just another plaything of satan, and you have all risen and taken the bait.
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Post by Relevant on May 21, 2006 22:16:26 GMT -5
how is it relevant to any christian? how does knowing about it change anything you have in Christ? it is just another plaything of satan, and you have all risen and taken the bait.
Do you not feel any responsibilty to defend the Truth? I mean the REAL Truth - Jesus Christ? It doesn't change anything I personally have in Christ. But when my children ask about Jesus having children - the book and movie become relevant to me. When a co-worker says that they consider the omission of gospels from the Bible as a conspiracy to be "interesting" - it becomes relevant to me. BTW, both of these happened to me. By knowing what is going on I was able to engage in a dialogue to hopefully help someone instead of trying to piously explain that I have my head stuck in the sand.
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Post by Zorro on May 21, 2006 22:42:41 GMT -5
My wife and I went to the movie tonight and the bottom line is that it's a steaming pile of crappola. Unfortunately, I agree with others that it is a significant steaming pile of crappola. I totally disagree that our response should be to just ignore it and hope it goes away. First of all I'd suggest that people get boned up on gnostism. Gnostism is really at the heart of the attack on Jesus' divinty, the Canon of Scripture, and the Council of Nicea - which is essentially the heart of the book and movie. IMO, reasoned explanation and education will be a much more effective response than defensive indignation.
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Post by l on May 22, 2006 9:24:05 GMT -5
I talked to a Baptist yesterday about the Da Vinci Code he says the bible would of mentioned something if Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene? and he also said the Catholics never covered up the original text even thou they have there Catholic printed matter the original texts have always existed...I'm satisfied the Da Vinci Code is a book of fiction
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Post by amazed on May 22, 2006 9:41:17 GMT -5
I have tried (and still want) to read the Da Vinci Code for no other reason than to be able to help the people who do believe that it's a book of fact. I have a sibling, a rather intelligent one, who after reading it said that it proved the Bible was wrong (to put it nicely). I was horrified since we are b&r in the f&w.
I think part of the reason people don't take it as fiction is all of the boxes that state facts.
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Post by Zorro on May 22, 2006 10:13:14 GMT -5
Last night the Discovery Channel had a very interesting program on about the DaVinci Code. To make a long story short, the whole business is based on an elaborate and proven hoax by a man named Pierre Plantard (just google his name and you can easily find all the stuff). He is the guy that founded the Priory of Sion, establishing himself as the only living descendant of a royal French bloodline (the Merovingians). He and a partner forged all the documentation, including family trees and lists of supposed Grand Masters of the Priory including Isaac Newton and DaVinci, and planted them in the French national library. His partner announced this startling revelation to the world with a bookentitled L'Or de Rennes, which was noticed by the British authors that ultimately wrote Holy Blood, Holy Grail - with a twist....they fabricated his bloodline back to Christ. This is what Dan Brown picked up on and ran with. It is amazing that he could write a book whose foundation is a hoax created by an admitted and convicted con man.
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Post by Its a novel on May 22, 2006 10:35:05 GMT -5
It is amazing that he could write a book whose foundation is a hoax created by an admitted and convicted con man. Why is thius amazing? It is a work of fiction based on fiction. What is amazing is that there are people who think it is based on fact!
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Post by l on May 22, 2006 10:45:46 GMT -5
Take a look at the video The Bible Vs. the book of Mormon and it will show many biblical places mentioned in bible have been excuvated and verified take for example the walls of Jericho when they fell it fits the description upon excuvating same thing has bible so the bible has we know it should indeed be a book you can put your faith in !
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Post by Zorro on May 22, 2006 10:47:36 GMT -5
What is amazing is that there are people who think it is based on fact!
Yes that is true. It's amazing how many people that is though. There was a poll in England that showed between 60-70% of the people think that it is factual. However, I am happy that the overwhelming majority of investigative and "expert" commentary seems to be debunking it all.
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And the conclusion is
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Post by And the conclusion is on May 22, 2006 11:58:11 GMT -5
Take a look at the video The Bible Vs. the book of Mormon and it will show many biblical places mentioned in bible have been excuvated and verified take for example the walls of Jericho when they fell it fits the description upon excuvating same thing has bible so the bible has we know it should indeed be a book you can put your faith in ! All of the places in the da Vinci code are also real. And in Mary Poppins. Guess that puts the bible right up there with the classics!
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Post by l on May 22, 2006 14:01:58 GMT -5
The book of Mormon has also been checked out want to know how many places verified? 0
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