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Post by Gene on May 31, 2006 10:38:22 GMT -5
"Why do you doubt? There are many first hand accounts such as this one. Have you read reflections or reflected truths? " ...Thats not a reflection on an individual posting (it was posted anonymously as are all posts on this board)... ... Anything posted on the internet is largely unverifiable. My posts are not anonymous. And everything on the internet is true, or it wouldn't be there. Mr Bush wouldn't allow it.
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Post by eurp on May 31, 2006 11:11:21 GMT -5
Gene What I mean by anonymous (in this context) is that to the mojority of readers, your identity is not easily verified. You give your name, your city, and on this board some other details about yourself.
I have no string reason to doubt that info you gave, but for me its not easily verified. For someone who knows you, in NYC it might be easy.
As to everything on the internet being true as allowed by Mr Bush - that might be too, but I have noted that if you put the word "failure" into GOOGLE, you get a bio of that same George Bush!!!
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Post by liz on May 31, 2006 12:14:55 GMT -5
I went through my '2x2' box last night, looking for the letter from Sydney Holt to my Aunt and did not find it. I'm hoping a relative of mine has a copy & I've requested it from him.....
The sister workers involved were Yvonne Dubuque (I don't know how to spell the last name - phonetically it's de buke) and, I believe, Melissa Kuntz - Washington state.
Perhaps by using names it will lend authenticity to the story b/c it would be blatant ly WRONG for someone to make up a story using actual names.....
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Post by eurp on May 31, 2006 15:48:52 GMT -5
"...it would be blatant ly WRONG for someone to make up a story using actual names..... ..."
Yes, but its been done before. That doesn't mean that you are doing it, just that others have, so its not past the bounds of possibility that others still will follow suit.
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Post by Cali on May 31, 2006 18:05:23 GMT -5
Liz.... I believe the "story" you shared about your aunt!! I have an uncle (still alive) who had given money to the "workers" at convention. As he was getting ready to leave convention, a brother worker came over to their RV and returned the money my uncle had given, saying " we do not accept money from anyone who has a TV in their home. When you get rid of the TV we will again welcome your contributions".
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2006 21:52:07 GMT -5
I have heard stories like this countless times from the workers themselves. My family took the workers mail when I was growing up and our house was always headquarters workers would sometimes stay for months at a time.
I have heard many stories where money was refused for reasons like this. It is worker policy not to take money from people who they do not consider right. They believe this arts them apart from the hirling who is only interested in money. This has been my observation.
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Post by hi6 on Jun 1, 2006 8:52:04 GMT -5
So the workers won't allow anyone to give them money if they own a TV! WOW!You can take part but you can't give them any money?
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Post by eurp on Jun 1, 2006 8:55:46 GMT -5
Well, now this is sensational. Here's a church refusing money eh?
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Post by opinion on Jun 1, 2006 13:42:34 GMT -5
The problem is workers trying to pressure the friends to not own a TV. Whether it is through a worker talk, sermon or cute little story for the children. Let the Holy Spirit work, workers!
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Post by no time on Jun 1, 2006 14:36:38 GMT -5
.....they only have time for a tv when they finally can watch one in a hotel
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Post by amen on Jun 1, 2006 15:42:33 GMT -5
Yuh, huh, that sure rings a bell... I recall a professing family in my area who went to stay at a hotel for the weekend as special treat and all the kids could talk about when they got back was all the stuff they watches on TV... it's funny how kids let things slip, like when another group of professing kids I babysat got talking and one said to the others "now remember, don't mention the "v" word" and another said "you mean "videos"?" ... I almost laughed because it was pretty funny but I also felt kinda sad because already they had been sucked into being deceptive.
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jun 1, 2006 20:04:40 GMT -5
I have a tv. I definitely don't have time to watch it though... especially lately. I haven't even plugged it in since we moved. Quite refreshing though, although I am missing some of my favorite shows (but hey, thats why they invented season dvds).
I think it's a personal choice each person needs to make. I actually feel like I'm more focused without the television.... nothing to distract. And, for some time now, my thought hasn't been, "Gee, I wonder what's on tonite?"
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Post by ilylo on Jun 1, 2006 20:09:20 GMT -5
I almost laughed because it was pretty funny but I also felt kinda sad because already they had been sucked into being deceptive. A mark of a religious cult: Living a double life is common.
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Post by hmm on Jun 2, 2006 7:29:51 GMT -5
The reason some professing couples drive one hundred miles to a gospel meeting on Sunday evening is because they are bored. If they got a TV, they would stay home and watch the TV instead of attending the gospel meeting. From the worker's perspective, it makes sense, doesn't it!
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 2, 2006 7:41:29 GMT -5
The reason some professing couples drive one hundred miles to a gospel meeting on Sunday evening is because they are bored. If they got a TV, they would stay home and watch the TV instead of attending the gospel meeting. From the worker's perspective, it makes sense, doesn't it! I've thought for a while that the anti-TV campaign was less about TV content and more about taking time. This, of course, would be for the weak, the struggling. Imagine a good TV series (yes, they exist) or sports game competing against a gospel meeting. Which would win? Might depend on who is speaking and how long they have been around.
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Post by whose responsible on Jun 2, 2006 8:32:57 GMT -5
The reason some professing couples drive one hundred miles to a gospel meeting on Sunday evening is because they are bored. If they got a TV, they would stay home and watch the TV instead of attending the gospel meeting. From the worker's perspective, it makes sense, doesn't it! If said couple would enter into their closet and spend that time wasted by driving to and from the meeting-they'd have a tremendous amount of time spent in communion with God. Don't waste your valuable prayer time traveling to meetings. WOW! if you chucked the travel time and the time spent sitting waiting for meetings to start-spend all that time in communion with God, home, alone.......you'd have time for TV! Or maybe you could get a tv to go in your car so you are not wasting the travel time by mindlessly riding. ( Interesting thought-would the workers take money from you if you had tv in your car but not your home?)
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Post by Seabisquit unlogged on Jun 2, 2006 9:41:27 GMT -5
I'm not a 2X2 and we have two tv's but I don't have MUCH time for TV. Not that I don't like it but I have too many other things to do.
Speaking of which... ;D I need to get back to my yard work!!
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 2, 2006 11:49:47 GMT -5
The reason some professing couples drive one hundred miles to a gospel meeting on Sunday evening is because they are bored. If they got a TV, they would stay home and watch the TV instead of attending the gospel meeting. From the worker's perspective, it makes sense, doesn't it! If said couple would enter into their closet and spend that time wasted by driving to and from the meeting-they'd have a tremendous amount of time spent in communion with God. Don't waste your valuable prayer time traveling to meetings. WOW! if you chucked the travel time and the time spent sitting waiting for meetings to start-spend all that time in communion with God, home, alone.......you'd have time for TV! Or maybe you could get a tv to go in your car so you are not wasting the travel time by mindlessly riding. ( Interesting thought-would the workers take money from you if you had tv in your car but not your home?) What about meditation on the way to the meeting? before the meeting and after the meeting? You dont have to go to your closet and on your knees to think.
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Post by meditator on Jun 2, 2006 17:59:24 GMT -5
Teenager:
Do you actually meditate to & from meeting?!
I can remember being a bit quite on the way to a bible study or Sunday a.m meeting b/c I was usually still trying to put a testimony together.
But, after a meeting? To & from a gospel meeting.
Come on now, fess up!
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Post by irish scenery on Jun 2, 2006 21:24:14 GMT -5
I hear the scenery in Ireland is delightful...why ruin it by watching TV?
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Post by timber on Jun 2, 2006 23:15:02 GMT -5
Another perspective on watching television.
Is Watching Sports on Television a Waste of Time? Watch Alex Rodriguez Make $154,000 in One Game!
By David Walkush
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Is Watching Sports on Television a Waste of Time? The number of sports programs on television is at an all-time high. There isn’t even an opportunity to miss a program anymore. Now, we are treated to such “fine” events of watching athletes go bowling, play cards or run through obstacle courses. Did you miss Chris Moneymaker win the World Series of Poker? No worries, ESPN, will show it again and again and again.
Is Chris Moneymaker even worthy of my time? Here’s an out-of-shape, cocky, card-player sitting on his butt making a million dollars and I’m eating greasy potato chips calling out his next hand because I’ve seen the episode before.
Even beyond the “faux athletes”, I ponder if watching Alex Rodriguez make $154,321 per game or Shaquille make $53,192 per basket made or watching the NFL Draft (and see players who haven’t even played a professional game) demand a certain salary, is in my best interest?
Let’s not kid ourselves; the players were “stars” back in the old days too. Babe Ruth, despite his rather portly physique, always had a few women hanging on his arms. Fans came from all over to watch Pele kick a soccer ball.
People are fascinated seeing people perform at a very high level. One that they could only dream of. It’s an opportunity to escape from the normal wear and tear of everyday life. It’s also an opportunity to bond with a family member or a child. Some of my best memories of spending time with my dad were watching the Green Bay Packers play football on Sunday mornings. We didn’t need to talk to each other, we communicated by yelling and cheering at the television.
But times have changed. I am starting to feel the love handles sag over my pants. I’m starting to get older and the time to become someone is running out. Why watch other people live their dream lives? Why not live my own?
Is it a waste of time to sit and watch highlight after highlight, when maybe I could be in the back yard trying to relive some of my glory days on the little league field? Maybe the answer isn’t sports. I didn’t have any glory days in little league. Maybe I should take on some hobbies.
But, I have to admit, it still gives me goose bumps seeing Brett Favre of the Green Bay Packers, throw a touchdown pass to win a game. And therein lies the answer: It’s not a waste of time if you enjoy it.
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 3, 2006 4:48:45 GMT -5
Teenager: Do you actually meditate to & from meeting?! I can remember being a bit quite on the way to a bible study or Sunday a.m meeting b/c I was usually still trying to put a testimony together. But, after a meeting? To & from a gospel meeting. Come on now, fess up! Its not neccesarily just going to a meeting. And when going to a meeting its not neccesarily thinking about what will be spoken about. Do I meditate to and from mtg? not to the fellowship meetings as they are close by.. but to the Gospel mission.. Yes. But its by no means reserved for going to meetings. Why wouldnt you meditate after a meeting?
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Post by duh on Jun 3, 2006 7:24:20 GMT -5
That is one reason why some older workers didn't want the friends to socialize after meeting! Might ruin the spirit of the meeting!
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Post by Duh2 on Jun 3, 2006 7:33:41 GMT -5
There were 2 such workers who were like that
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Post by Howard6 on Jun 3, 2006 8:55:15 GMT -5
eurp: You seem to think that your knowledge and experience in this matter represents the sum total of knowledge and experience to be had in this matter. Pull your head out of the sand, friend, because it does happen. Just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it isn't real.
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Post by heard on Jun 3, 2006 19:45:16 GMT -5
Murray Keene once praised an elder because he wouldn't read anything but the bible on Saturday evening. Preparing spices to annoint the body of Christ is often used to get the friends to stay home and get ready for the Sunday morning meeting.
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Post by Common Sense on Jun 3, 2006 19:59:39 GMT -5
Professing folks don't have time for a TV because they are to busy surfing the internet, reading books, playing video games, talking on the phone, reading magazines, and going to the movie theatre!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2006 21:05:39 GMT -5
When I was growing up, we kept a TV but it was always out of sight, hidden, and denied to the Truthers.
What was confusing to us children was that my parents had two groups that they wanted to fit in with the Truthers and my fathers corporate executive coworkers. Invariably, as a child I would say the wrong thing to the wrong people. I would tell the corporate giants that we did not believe in TV and I would tell the Truthers what I watched last night.
Either way, I constantly angered my image conscience parents who would best me until I learned to tell no one anything.
Oh we usually spent the commute to and from meetings arguing, fighting, criticizing, theatening etc. Never much of a spirit in our family, unless we were putting it on, which we all can do beautifully when we want to.
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