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Post by reveal the truth on May 18, 2006 7:13:01 GMT -5
Would somebody please repost the URL of MC's website that slams those who have left 2x2ism (the anti-VOT rot is my name for it). I think any 2x2 who reads here needs to see what kind of mental draught takes place when a person becomes so ingrained in the form/method (2x2ism) and totally forget the message (Christ).
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Post by MildlyCurious on May 18, 2006 7:36:41 GMT -5
Hi to "reveal the truth" I am doing a second web site which will focus solely upon the nature of the first church. I will stud it heavily with references to placate those who said I did not provide enough in the first church. It will not focus in any way upon those who forsook that church. P.Phillip
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Post by to MC on May 18, 2006 7:38:39 GMT -5
You have no credibility here. Whatever "other" website you come up with will carry no more academic weight then the first bowl of tripe you came up with.
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Post by ilylo on May 18, 2006 7:40:47 GMT -5
I've been reading for a few days now and am curious to know what "anti-VOT" site is out there. Perhaps it is need of a good and thorough review.
Who is MC?
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Post by MildlyCurious on May 18, 2006 7:48:33 GMT -5
Hi ilylo. My name is Prue. I did a website to look at the dissidents of the first church. In order to define what a dissident was I had to look at what they were not - thus I did a study of the first church's principles. It is found at home.iprimus.com.au/pruephillip/
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Post by mildlycurious on May 18, 2006 7:52:38 GMT -5
Hi "to MC" You said, "You have no credibility here. Whatever "other" website you come up with will carry no more academic weight then the first bowl of tripe you came up with. "
The "tripe" I came up with came from the bible, and I cross referenced it with other sources. Are you referring to something specific?
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Post by Rob O on May 18, 2006 7:57:49 GMT -5
These statements alone invalidate any other good point which may have been made on the site. In failing to grasp the basic nature of grace, what remains?
"But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life." (Titus 3:4-7, ESV)
"For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus," (Romans 3:22b-24, ESV)
"Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”" (John 6:28-29, ESV)
"But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus," (Ephesians 2:4-6, ESV)
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9, ESV)
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Post by Just Looking on May 18, 2006 8:08:30 GMT -5
"All men naturally feel that they should earn their salvation, and a system which makes some provision in that regard readily appeals to them. But the apostle Paul lays the axe to such reasoning when he says, '...for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law' (Galatians 3:21)." "But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ..." (Galatians 6:14).
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Post by ClayRandall on May 18, 2006 8:33:35 GMT -5
Hi ilylo. My name is Prue. I did a website to look at the dissidents of the first church. In order to define what a dissident was I had to look at what they were not - thus I did a study of the first church's principles. It is found at home.iprimus.com.au/pruephillip/And it appears that Prue's definition of dissident is "anyone who is not an actively professing part of the Friends & Workers Fellowship"What the website never establishes, however, is that the F&W Fellowship is that same "first church"...
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Post by ilylo on May 18, 2006 9:41:06 GMT -5
I did a website to look at the dissidents of the first church. I see. Your first logical fallacy is assuming that 2x2ism is the "first church." Until you get that notion out of your head, everything else is irrelevant.
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Post by ilylo on May 18, 2006 13:49:47 GMT -5
In reading prue/MC's website, I'm beginning to sense a deep hatred for anyone who has left 2x2ism. I get the feeling that someone close to prue/MC must have departed the 2x2s and this is prue/MC's way of dealing with the shock brought about by that event.
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Post by sounds familiar on May 18, 2006 14:09:28 GMT -5
Ilylo said "I'm beginning to sense a deep hatred for anyone who has left 2x2ism." about Prue's website.
I agree.
But, I'm beginning to sense a deep hatred for anyone who has not left 2x2ism. (Ilylo's website)
Both sert out a clear image of their writers views and attitudes.
I imagine that both deny this.
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Post by backupyourwords on May 18, 2006 14:13:16 GMT -5
could you show hate on the TLT website?
example please!
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Post by ilylo on May 18, 2006 14:19:06 GMT -5
I'm beginning to sense a deep hatred for anyone who has not left 2x2ism. (Ilylo's website) Example?
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Post by sounds familiar on May 18, 2006 14:21:05 GMT -5
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Post by ilylo on May 18, 2006 14:23:25 GMT -5
I see nothing there which displays hatred for anyone who has not left 2x2ism.
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Post by sounds familar on May 18, 2006 14:28:47 GMT -5
I knew that expressing my opinion would only cause dissent. Waste of time I guess.
Never the less, thats my opinion.
I see disdain, hatred and ridicule. I note you didn't refute the disdain and ridicule?
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Post by haha on May 18, 2006 14:30:43 GMT -5
I knew that expressing my opinion would only cause dissent. Waste of time I guess. Never the less, thats my opinion. I see disdain, hatred and ridicule. I note you didn't refute the disdain and ridicule? I note that you did not give an example. Now how are we to take you at your word if you can't list ONE example?
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Post by sounds familiar on May 18, 2006 14:32:02 GMT -5
I did quote an example. An example already refuted by its author.
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Post by soundoff on May 18, 2006 14:34:20 GMT -5
I did quote an example. An example already refuted by its author. So your issue is not with the 10 points, but how the 10 points are delivered?
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Post by sounds familiar on May 18, 2006 14:59:31 GMT -5
"So your issue is not with the 10 points, but how the 10 points are delivered?"
Both. The method of delivery, mocking the 10 commandments, and the content both (IMO) show disdain, hatred and cynicism.
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Post by Agree on May 18, 2006 15:02:21 GMT -5
I see disdain, hatred and ridicule. I note you didn't refute the disdain and ridicule?
I can see how how you might feel that way. The real question is this - what is the correct way to introduce the fact the 2x2s are a cult to a member? This list is a quasi-lighthearted attempt to introduce a very difficult reality. How would you suggest it could be done better?
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Post by bothisit on May 18, 2006 15:06:22 GMT -5
Both. The method of delivery, mocking the 10 commandments, and the content both (IMO) show disdain, hatred and cynicism. Shown towards what? False teachings that is prevalent in the 2x2 fellowship? How can one falt another for having disdain for false teachings? Can you explain that one to me?
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Post by speaktruth on May 18, 2006 15:09:08 GMT -5
. How would you suggest it could be done better? Speak truth though Christian teachings that can be backed up with scripture. Teach Jesus is God. Teach Justification. Teach the Trinity. Teach the doctrine of Grace. Teach the priesthood of all believers. Once you teach these things, the false teachings will fall away. This is how you reach people in the sect, SPEAK AND PREACH THE TRUTH!
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Post by seriously on May 18, 2006 15:15:20 GMT -5
"...the fact the 2x2s are a cult..."
this is not an established fact, just an opinion.
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Post by heard truth on May 18, 2006 15:16:26 GMT -5
to speak truth
Are you saying the things you listed are not taught in MY area?
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Post by speaktruth on May 18, 2006 15:18:31 GMT -5
to speak truth Are you saying the things you listed are not taught in MY area? Correct
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Post by agree on May 18, 2006 15:42:53 GMT -5
this is not an established fact, just an opinion.
I'm sorry but it is actually a fact. You no doubt want to consider it an opinion, just as I did for 25 years, but sadly it is true. Sorry to break the news.
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