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Post by MsMarie on May 6, 2006 4:08:17 GMT -5
A pastor at a local church at a family service, explained salvation in the following way and it has stayed with me.
He produced some Easter eggs and said he had bought them the day before. This means they are my eggs, he said, I paid the price for them and I now choose to give you one free of charge. I can only do this because it is bought and paid for by me, so that it is mine to give.
He gave out some eggs to the children in front. Most accepted gratefully, but one little boy took his and hurled it to the ground for some reason. Another refused an egg, saying he didn't want it.
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Post by guesty on May 6, 2006 19:22:02 GMT -5
Did he get a spanking?
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on May 6, 2006 19:26:25 GMT -5
Who? The pastor? The boy that hurled the egg to the ground? The boy that refused the egg?
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Post by the on May 6, 2006 21:09:31 GMT -5
Who? The pastor? The boy that hurled the egg to the ground? The boy that refused the egg? the whole lot ;D
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Post by eggs on May 6, 2006 21:53:22 GMT -5
Who? The pastor? The boy that hurled the egg to the ground? The boy that refused the egg? the whole lot ;D hmmm, scrambled egg some likem that ways.
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Post by MsMarie on May 7, 2006 3:12:27 GMT -5
Well, if he had been my child, he would have got a spanking for embarrassing me in front of the whole congregation. I have to say, my jaw dropped. These were the Sunday School children and were not sitting with their parents. However, all was not lost, as a little girl dived after the egg and retrieved it from the floor at the pastor's feet, and pocketed it looking triumphant.
So you see, what was rejected by one got gratefully accepted by another.....
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Post by a believer on May 7, 2006 3:38:47 GMT -5
What a lovely illustration of the Gospel. Don't you think it was a play to show how some accept the Gospel,some reject it etc. as it illustrates the price that Jesus paid. Don;t you think there was a message in it and the children were playing their part in the illustration and that they were doing exactly what there were meant to do in the play?
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Post by Really on May 7, 2006 21:58:07 GMT -5
Well, if he had been my child, he would have got a spanking for embarrassing me in front of the whole congregation. I have to say, my jaw dropped. These were the Sunday School children and were not sitting with their parents. However, all was not lost, as a little girl dived after the egg and retrieved it from the floor at the pastor's feet, and pocketed it looking triumphant. So you see, what was rejected by one got gratefully accepted by another..... Why do people always think that striking out and hurting someone is the best way to teach them the correct behavior? I am always amazed that people still resort to punishment as a teaching method when it has been shown over and over that this is not the best way to teach. I am more amazed that so many people regard hurting children as acceptable behavior. Children learn by example. Have you ever though about what is actually being taught? Might makes right? Do it my way or I will hurt you? Can you imagine being at work and being subject to some painful, and perhaps humiliating, physical punishment when you do something that your superior deems inappropriate? And then, to make it even better, look at the reason you gave for hurting your child. You would hit your own child because you were embarrassed. Embarrassed in front of your peers. A fate worse than death. Kindness goes a long way in teaching children. In addition to not hurting them, also teaches them about interacting with other adults. I wonder which would be more embarrassing to you. The dropping of the eggs or if the child decided to modify the pastor's behavior by hitting?
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Post by never knew on May 7, 2006 22:18:46 GMT -5
Me & my professing mom always had fun dying Easter Eggs when I was a kid. I wasn't aware that other professing families had a problem with it. Of course, we also didn't have a problem with celebrating Christmas or Halloween either. Never really knew, till I came to the boards, that many professing families were uptight about such things.
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Post by metaphore on May 7, 2006 22:23:07 GMT -5
An Easter Egg as a metaphore for Jesus & the gospel?! Never would have occurred to me. I'm sure the bratty little kid wouldn't make the connection.
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Post by MsMarie on May 8, 2006 0:49:00 GMT -5
Just a picture of what actually happened and for others to make of it what they will. As for spanking, well did anyone say it would be in front of the congregation? I have no idea what the parent did or said when he collected his child afterwards - fortunately not my problem!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2006 3:57:32 GMT -5
very sorry MsMarie that the child would have "embarrassed" you. and very sorry you would have thumped the poor kid.
Ask the question, "why did he do it"?
Show love and compassion.
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Post by MsMarie on May 8, 2006 4:38:28 GMT -5
Well, I never thought to have such an outcome from an innocent scenario. Please don't get so steamed up! I am not and never was a child beater as my grown children and grandchildren will attest. However, if I had been sitting next to that child, I would surely have remonstrated in some way as it was the pastor who was embarrassed, not me , muttering that perhaps he didn't like eggs... Don't you think it was bad behaviour from that child and what message then if not taken to task for it? And I am sorry, but our generation believed that a quick smack on the bottom did us no harm whatsoever!
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Post by Better or worse on May 8, 2006 10:47:21 GMT -5
Just a picture of what actually happened and for others to make of it what they will. As for spanking, well did anyone say it would be in front of the congregation? I have no idea what the parent did or said when he collected his child afterwards - fortunately not my problem! Would it be better if the child was hit in private rather than in public? I wonder about the message this sends the child. That it is OK to hurt people as long as it is not in front of other people?
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Post by Of course on May 8, 2006 11:04:32 GMT -5
However, if I had been sitting next to that child, I would surely have remonstrated in some way as it was the pastor who was embarrassed, not me , muttering that perhaps he didn't like eggs... Actually, you said you would have spanked your child for embarrassing you in front of the congregation. Of course it was not appropriate behavior. No one mentioned that the situation should not be discussed with the child. It was hitting that was called to question. As a parent you have to ask yourself why the child behaved as they did and where they learned the behavior. Teaching children to respect the rights and feelings of others is not something that generally can be done with hitting. Don't be sorry. People used to kick dogs as well. Behavior disorders were treated with chains, sheets soaked in cold water, beatings, isolation, etc. Our treatment of people can change. Hopefully for the better. There are socities where children are not hit. As to it causing no harm: www.nospank.net/straus11.htmwww.askdrsears.com/html/6/T062100.aspwww.activeparenting.com/docpop3.htmpubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/CP64E.htmyou can decide.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2006 17:47:16 GMT -5
On further reflection on your remarks MsMarie;
is it not the fault of the paster, he simply did not know his client.
When you deal with people, you should understand them and thereby do not get embarrassed by their unexpected or unpredictable reactions.
In financial planning the first rule is to "know your client."
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Post by MsMarie on May 9, 2006 6:00:10 GMT -5
Quite honestly, this thread has become rather off course. The pastor brought the eggs to illustrate the value of salvation which had been bought and paid for and was freely offered to those who would accept it.
The children in the front row just presented to me a picture of what reactions people can have when offered a free gift. I am sure the little boy was lovely really.........
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Post by valid name on May 9, 2006 10:29:53 GMT -5
I am sure the little boy was lovely really......... Many children are so there is no reason to think this child is not like the majority. But do not forget that you said if he has been your child you would have hit him. lovely boy - spank him. seems almost like the natural thing to do.
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Post by MsMarie on May 9, 2006 12:32:10 GMT -5
Please, please, maybe he would have a smack on the bottom afterwards, maybe not. I could have changed my mind by then. It is not a real situation as I am not his parent. I think you are obsessed about this issue which is something else altogether from the main thread of this. Think salvation ......
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2006 16:40:01 GMT -5
Which boy are we talking about?
The boy who refused, or the boy who tossed the egg away?
As they say, "never to interviews with animals or children".
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Post by a believer on May 9, 2006 17:19:29 GMT -5
and who is to say that this was set up and each child was playing their part in the story. Ask your pastor msmarie if this was a prepared act to illustrate his sermon or not?
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Post by MsMarie on May 10, 2006 4:58:38 GMT -5
I asked him and he said no, it was spontaneous and he was just as surprised as the rest of us. I do trust the pastor by the way. He is a lovely person.
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Post by Hmmmmmm on May 10, 2006 12:42:01 GMT -5
The thing that I have seen most often is that children that do that kind of acting out are often children of parents that kind of ignore them and they are looking for attention, any kind they can get from anyone. They need lots of tender loving care.
Good, bad or otherwise.. I found it best to at least tell the child what they did was wrong, and if they did it again then there would be harsher punishment. Mine knew what that meant.
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Post by Tell us on May 10, 2006 17:11:08 GMT -5
I found it best to at least tell the child what they did was wrong, and if they did it again then there would be harsher punishment. Mine knew what that meant. Electric shocks? Water soaked towels over the mouth and nose? A few turns on the rack? Exploitation of phobias? That will bring them into line. So much better than explaining that what they did was wrong and giving them some alternative behaviors to express themselves. Fear. A good healty dose will keep all but the strongest in check. Well, in check as long as they think you will find out what they are doing. Do you really want your children to grow up fearing the pain you will cause if they step out of line? Think how it would be if they changed their behavior because they wanted to please you rather than because they fear your wrath.
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Post by Hmmmmmm on May 10, 2006 17:20:19 GMT -5
Have you as an adult ever done something that causes you a lot of pain and anguish?
I venture to say that a few have. Today the pain may not be physical, but it still could be painful and sometimes for years because of stupid stunts of anger or attention getting that crossed the line.
If you have not done anything along this line, you may have learned at a young age there is acceptable behavior and there is unacceptable behavior, and society does have guidelines that they expect you to fit into.
So have at it, let those kids have their fits and temper tantrums, but don't go crying allover every one around you when they do the same dumb things after they grow up on a completely different scale.
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Post by Eyes Open on May 11, 2006 22:20:48 GMT -5
So have at it, let those kids have their fits and temper tantrums, but don't go crying allover every one around you when they do the same dumb things after they grow up on a completely different scale. Children have "fits and temper tantrums" to get attention and to get their own way. If parents give attention when appropriate and not when the child has a temper tantrum and are strong enough to not let the child have it's own way when it does have a tantrum, the child will quickly learn that there is no point in having a tantrum. People do not continue any behavior, appropriate or inappropriate, if it does not bring the desired results.
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Post by Hmmmmmm on May 11, 2006 22:32:19 GMT -5
Children have "fits and temper tantrums" to get attention and to get their own way. If parents give attention when appropriate and not when the child has a temper tantrum and are strong enough to not let the child have it's own way when it does have a tantrum, the child will quickly learn that there is no point in having a tantrum. People do not continue any behavior, appropriate or inappropriate, if it does not bring the desired results. Thank you for supporting my point... I wish more people would get it. We wouldn't have so many spoiled brats running around the country thinking that it is their way or the highway.
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Post by In a childs mind on May 12, 2006 7:41:24 GMT -5
A spanking is better than no attention at all.
If they cannot get positve attention they become very skilled at getting negative attention.
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