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Post by arrogant on Apr 25, 2006 1:32:11 GMT -5
There's a strong theme on this board of denyong 2x2s their faith.
Claiming for example that any who do not believe that "Jesus is God the Son", are clearly not Christians, not saved.
This theme from exes and others on the periphery is clearly a non Christian one, and is self condemnatory. That is to say that anyone who goes to the length of picking apart the beliefs of others, and openly calling them non-Christian is hypocritical.
Now you might say, "oh but its the 2x2s that are the hypocrites". That may be so, but it doesn't make you any less of one either.
I class myself as a fellow hypocrite with you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2006 6:41:55 GMT -5
I don't recall anyone posting this "denial" that you have spoken about. What post are you refering to?
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Post by not so on Apr 25, 2006 6:48:08 GMT -5
This board does not deny the "2x2s" their faith. Faithful "2x2s" don't come to the internet to learn about their sect; they jsut go to more meetings. If a person chooses to remain in the sect and shun all outside influences, nobody here is going into the meeting to drag them out! No, people who come to these boards (whether they can admit it to themselves or not), are looking for the other side of the coin. They are looling for what is said outside the Meeting. People who want to testify know that the Meeting in the Home is the place to testify, and not on the internet. Like the old saying goes: "If you can't stand the heat, you don't belong in the kitchen". Stay in your comfort zone; too much info will just upset you!  |
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Post by arrogants on Apr 25, 2006 6:56:49 GMT -5
"I don't recall anyone posting this "denial" that you have spoken about. What post are you refering to?"
There are many, but to be specific to your case..
Meeting in home No 3
Sister workers No 9
Skirt dependent... No 119
Workers call it quites No 3
Any tolerant upbringings No 12
TMB/PMB posters love to bash... No 5
And those are just yours.
And
"This board does not deny the "2x2s" their faith."
Correct, the board doesn't deny anything, its the posters.
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Post by not so on Apr 25, 2006 8:48:42 GMT -5
"This board does not deny the "2x2s" their faith." Correct, the board doesn't deny anything, its the posters. Wrong again! The posters on this board do not deny the "2x2s" anything. The good "2x2s" who heed the advice of their Leaders (the Workers) stay off of these sites. The good "2x2s" are happy as clams in the Meetings, and seek no further input from "outside" sources. Those "2x2s" who frequent these sites are harboring misgivings about the validity of their sect, whether they are able to recognize it yet or not. If you stay in the Meeting, nothing will be said to "deny you your faith". Nobody is forcing you to come to these sites; if what you read shakes your faith, remember that it is your own doing, being here. The posters who point out negative aspects of the fellowship do not come to your Meeting and say these things. The posts are not meant for those folks who are content in the Meeting. Those folks who are truly content in the Meeting do not read here. Why do you read here? Are you ready to be honest with yourself yet? |
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Post by ex-teenager on Apr 25, 2006 9:07:08 GMT -5
wondering why you say 'Meeting' instead of 'meeting' why the Capital letter?
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Post by Capital answer on Apr 25, 2006 9:59:34 GMT -5
wondering why you say 'Meeting' instead of 'meeting' why the Capital letter? We're not talking about just any meeting. We're discussing a particular Meeting, that is, the Meeting intended for fellowship and worship by the F&Ws. Hope this helps. By the way, are you trying to re-direct the focus of this thread to grammatics in order to avoid introspection? We still are wondering if you are yet able to be honest with yourself as to your motivation for frequenting these boards. |
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Post by Arrow gants on Apr 25, 2006 11:37:29 GMT -5
Well, "not so", you are digging your self deeper and depper into the hole of logical error, and of stating the thoughts and intentions of others you have never met.
"Those folks who are truly content in the Meeting do not read here."
You don't know that. You might think that, but its just your ASSERTION, not a fact.
"Those "2x2s" who frequent these sites are harboring misgivings about the validity of their sect, whether they are able to recognize it yet or not."
Do you have evidence for this assertion? You might know one or two examples that fit your postulation, but that doesn't account for the worldwide readership from the 2x2 community. You just don't know, but you think you do.
"Are you ready to be honest with yourself yet?"
Your statement implies existing dishonesty. Do you know this? or are you guessing? or just trying to be provocative?
Can you point to dishonesty?
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Post by well then on Apr 25, 2006 12:48:59 GMT -5
"Those folks who are truly content in the Meeting do not read here."
You don't know that. You might think that, but its just your ASSERTION, not a fact.
What explanation would you propose (that would be a fact, in your view) for a contented "Friend" to read here?
"Those "2x2s" who frequent these sites are harboring misgivings about the validity of their sect, whether they are able to recognize it yet or not."
Do you have evidence for this assertion? You might know one or two examples that fit your postulation, but that doesn't account for the worldwide readership from the 2x2 community. You just don't know, but you think you do.
What explanation (in your view) would explain why a contented "Friend" would read here?
"Are you ready to be honest with yourself yet?"
Your statement implies existing dishonesty. Do you know this? or are you guessing? or just trying to be provocative?
Can you point to dishonesty?
Can you point to an honest (in your view) reason why a contented "Friend" would read here? The Workers advise the "Friends" to avoid these sites. The Workers advise the "Friends" to read their Bibles and pray. Why would a content "Friend" (in your opinion) go against the advice of the Workers? You don't sound like you are a contented "Friend" to me.
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Post by Simple on Apr 25, 2006 13:21:38 GMT -5
There's a strong theme on this board of denyong 2x2s their faith. Claiming for example that any who do not believe that "Jesus is God the Son", are clearly not Christians, not saved. This theme from exes and others on the periphery is clearly a non Christian one, and is self condemnatory. That is to say that anyone who goes to the length of picking apart the beliefs of others, and openly calling them non-Christian is hypocritical. Now you might say, "oh but its the 2x2s that are the hypocrites". That may be so, but it doesn't make you any less of one either. I class myself as a fellow hypocrite with you. How can the workers be so blind to their own hypocrasy? They take all the money in and none goes back out......hmmmmm? They claim poverty, its kinda nauseating to listen to their sad stories, when they have more financial security than their followers. Not by God but from their enslaved captives. Oh they live a stress free life, and then tell everyone how tough it is to be a worker. The only thing tough about being a worker is avoiding reality all the way to the grave.................... |
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Post by harrah Ghant on Apr 25, 2006 13:21:58 GMT -5
Well now, "well then"
Your logic seems to be going in ever decreasing circles.
"What explanation would you propose (that would be a fact, in your view) for a contented "Friend" to read here?"
My explanation would not necessarily be a fact, it could be merely my counter assertion, and could be just as misguided as yours.
The lack of an explanation does not prove anything. But, here's a few attempts:
* to stir up trouble
* to indignantly stand on their strongly held beliefs and challenge those who hold opposing views.
* a vain attempt to convert those who read here to their own views.
Your second question rather repeats the first, so use the statements above for that.
"Can you point to an honest (in your view) reason why a contented "Friend" would read here? The Workers advise the "Friends" to avoid these sites. The Workers advise the "Friends" to read their Bibles and pray. Why would a content "Friend" (in your opinion) go against the advice of the Workers? You don't sound like you are a contented "Friend" to me."
Being able to point to an "honest" reason does not prove that the existence or not of honesty. Honest is a judgement, and the judgement of various people varies. This question is really also a repetition of the first.
You say that workers "advise the "friends" to read their bibles and pray". You didn't say, but perhaps you implied that they mean do this only (read and pray) and do not do other things. In my limited experience thats not true for me, where I live. It might be true for you.
You also say that the workers tell the "friends" to avoid "these sites" (you didn't specify which other sites you include in this vague statement.
Again, I have not had this experience. I have never heard first or second hand of this happening from any verifiable source. (I exclude anonymous or unverifiable posts here in this).
What I "sound like" has no real bearing on what I am, or my attitudes of positions. In fact the anonymous nature of this board encourages people to act out a part that they are not. A real fantasy land.
So, I propose some statements in contradiction to yours:
*There are many 2x2s who read here.
*Many of those are quite contented with their sect and have no thought of leaving.
* Only a small percentage of the current 2x2s who frequent this board have misgivings about their sect.
These statements are as unproveable as yours, and are assertions, like yours. I do believe them.
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Post by as i c it on Apr 25, 2006 15:23:05 GMT -5
A few more reasons:
--curiousity
--intellectual/spirital stimulation (as to "conversation/debate)
--to look at the potluck pictures (and see if so-and-so is in them)
--to receive a few laughs (because some of the posters have a terrific sense of humor)
--and maybe, even, just to talk/communicate
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Post by wondering on Apr 25, 2006 16:06:11 GMT -5
I find it interesting that the workers would want you to refrain from these sites---when "meeting people" get together they discuss stuff very similar to what is said on these sites. If they have a gathering, they sit and talk about who was there and so on and so on--what is the big deal? are you to be a non-thinking group?  ?? |
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Post by cornsilk on Apr 25, 2006 16:22:37 GMT -5
In my case the workers didn't advise me to stay away from these sites. And that includes the head worker of our state. I'm not sure this is an unusual response. We all have free will and our "walk" is based on our personal relationship with Jesus. Most times when I question the workers about something I'm told to pray about it. The workers know where our answers should be---in God's will and timing. In addition, I'm not sure that this board is set up only for non professing people or those who question what's inside the church. I think those of us who profess and post here keep things balanced. Who else would the exes have to banter with if we weren't present?  Far be it for anyone to think that as a group we would be non-thinking....much to the contrary! I for one, know that I think WAY too much! |
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Post by everyones got one on Apr 25, 2006 16:45:54 GMT -5
So, I propose some statements in contradiction to yours: *There are many 2x2s who read here. *Many of those are quite contented with their sect and have no thought of leaving. * Only a small percentage of the current 2x2s who frequent this board have misgivings about their sect. These statements are as unproveable as yours, and are assertions, like yours. I do believe them. This is good stuff, the rest is stuffing. |
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Post by to cornsilk on Apr 25, 2006 17:19:31 GMT -5
In my case the workers didn't advise me to stay away from these sites. And that includes the head worker of our state. I'm not sure this is an unusual response. We all have free will and our "walk" is based on our personal relationship with Jesus. Most times when I question the workers about something I'm told to pray about it. The workers know where our answers should be---in God's will and timing. In addition, I'm not sure that this board is set up only for non professing people or those who question what's inside the church. I think those of us who profess and post here keep things balanced. Who else would the exes have to banter with if we weren't present? Far be it for anyone to think that as a group we would be non-thinking....much to the contrary! I for one, know that I think WAY too much! have you asked Jeff since you have gone back to meetings what he thinks about you posting here Jeff is here too? |
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Post by willing on Apr 25, 2006 20:28:24 GMT -5
we really don't have free will--
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Post by evidently on Apr 26, 2006 7:45:23 GMT -5
"I find it interesting that the workers would want you to refrain from these sites"
Theres been no evidence posted about this. In fact has even any anoymous person claimed this?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2006 7:55:40 GMT -5
"I don't recall anyone posting this "denial" that you have spoken about. What post are you refering to?" There are many, but to be specific to your case.. Meeting in home No 3 Sister workers No 9 Skirt dependent... No 119 Workers call it quites No 3 Any tolerant upbringings No 12 TMB/PMB posters love to bash... No 5 And those are just yours. And "This board does not deny the "2x2s" their faith." Correct, the board doesn't deny anything, its the posters. Here is a copy of post 12 on the "Any tolerant upbringings" thread How in the wide world can this be regarded as denying 2x2s their faith? Or is it your fantacy that is reading denial into this post? |
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Post by 83 percent on Apr 26, 2006 9:30:21 GMT -5
A score of 83% not too bad.
Of the 6 posted, you dispute only one, impying the other 5 are right?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2006 10:27:00 GMT -5
A score of 83% not too bad. Of the 6 posted, you dispute only one, impying the other 5 are right? It was the only thread on the first page -- and after noticing the unreasonable and far fetched nature of the claims, I didn't figure it worth the effort to check further. Even if it where so, a score of 17% fabrication hardly qualifies for honesty!! |
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Apr 26, 2006 11:11:25 GMT -5
Actually, that's not always the case. The first time I came across these sites, I was very "secure" within the truth, but a couple years later, when I began to really search things out, I decided to open my mind to the other side of things.
Now, I have no misgivings about where I go, what I do, or the validity, rather I have a more open heart and mind, and am more aware of the "other side" of thing, as in the views, feelings and emotions of ex's.
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Post by Gene on Apr 26, 2006 11:56:33 GMT -5
Actually, that's not always the case. The first time I came across these sites, I was very "secure" within the truth, but a couple years later, when I began to really search things out, I decided to open my mind to the other side of things. Now, I have no misgivings about where I go, what I do, or the validity, rather I have a more open heart and mind, and am more aware of the "other side" of thing, as in the views, feelings and emotions of ex's. I admire that in you, withopeneyes! |
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Post by deja vu on Apr 26, 2006 11:59:52 GMT -5
That sounds a lot like Bryan sounded, a few years ago. Keep coming back! Don't leave before the Miracle happens.
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Post by denying faith on Apr 26, 2006 12:20:39 GMT -5
"That sounds a lot like Bryan sounded, a few years ago. Keep coming back! Don't leave before the Miracle happens."
That post alone is an example of denying 2x2s their faith. Implies that all should leave the 2x2s.
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Post by so you admit on Apr 26, 2006 16:24:10 GMT -5
That post alone is an example of denying 2x2s their faith. Implies that all should leave the 2x2s. So you do admit that 2x2s hold faith in their group, which in itself should provide sufficient caution against remaining in the groupthink known as 2x2ism. |
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Post by Bryan on Apr 26, 2006 16:34:54 GMT -5
"That sounds a lot like Bryan sounded, a few years ago. Keep coming back! Don't leave before the Miracle happens." That post alone is an example of denying 2x2s their faith. Implies that all should leave the 2x2s. All should “leave” legalistic and exclusive doctrines that are often found in the fellowship and remove oneself from upholding and supporting a belief system that contradicts the word of God. If that means leaving the fellowship then so be it... If not, then so be it as well… |
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Post by Bryan on Apr 26, 2006 16:36:09 GMT -5
That post alone is an example of denying 2x2s their faith. Implies that all should leave the 2x2s. So you do admit that 2x2s hold faith in their group, which in itself should provide sufficient caution against remaining in the groupthink known as 2x2ism. How can they not. For those under the 2x2 mindset membership in the 2x2 fellowship is bound to serving God. Those under the mindset believe one cannot serve God outside the 2x2 church. |
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